Zone1 Morality in Society

[HaShev]

Morality in Society:

(The following is from: J Dymond's book "Essays of the Principles of Morality" 1896 in Philadelphia -old Seminary Material - essay 1 chapter 2- Pg 5.)

One Proposes "the Understanding" as the means, but every observer perceives that "the understandings" of men are often contradictory to their decisions. Indeed many of those who now think their understandings dictates the rectitude of a given action, will find that the understandings of the intelligent pagans of antiquity came to very different conclusions...... Good men find in practice of life, some sympathy, but these emotions are frequently unsafe and sometimes erroneous guides of their conduct. Besides, the emotions are to regulated and restrained; which of itself intimates the necessity of a regulating and restraining, that is, of a superior Power.

To say we should act according to the eternal & and necessary differences of things is to advance a proposition which NINE out of TEN people do not understand and of course can not adopt in practice; and of the few who do understand it, perhaps an equal number can not apply it, with even tolerable facility to the concerns of life. (-end- of the book quote)
Proof of this was in a poll study a ministry recently did which showed faithful Christians behaved no differently then the rest of society. Conclusion: one can talk the talk but it means nothing if you walk off the course...thus the only teaching should be that which brings people successfully in the path to righteousness...so if present teachings don't achieve this then it's time for new wine. The kind that brings the Teshuva (the return to God)

More on Society & Religion:

W.R. Alger 1867 Preface to the book "Genius of Solitude"

"The majority of men in every age are superficial in character and brittle in purpose, and lead undedicated lives; swarming together in buzzing crowds in all haunts of amusement or places of low competition, caring little for anything but gossip and pastime, the titillation of the senses, and the gratification of conceit."
(their EGO)

On Pg 189. he goes on to quote Gotama (Buddhism)f his four fundamental propositions:
"There is sorrow, every living creature feels it, Deliverance is desirable , Pure knowledge is the only possible deliverance."


In this he goes on to talk about the worthless ceremony in religions, which I agree should be traded in for substance and more precise formula for salvation. More practical virtues would be a system of Justice, Benevolence, Reverence, and applying a system of bestowing :
(People forget that the internet offers that ability to offer free ones services and time to help others, and bring others the enjoyment of their free programs, games, software, art, advice, teaching, experiences, networking, etc.).


Those of Greater Morals & Standards Being Tempted:

People aproach others in chat rooms and discussion boards and on the street or knocking on doors trying to change people who adhere to high standards into their own lesser moral standards & lesser ethics.
They want them to stray from the law and from G-d all so thay can justify their belief in their idol and acceptance into their club or group. This is like what Paul did. Since Paul felt he couldn't live up to the high standard he rid the law so he could be saved. That would be like playing Monopoly and changing the rules to the game half way in order to win the game or stick around the game to play longer. The problem is life is no game and changing the rules is serious business. You can't change the guidlines set by those who already know what's best and what the future holds.


It's why people ask that infamous question; "why is life so cruel".

It's cruel because you decide to play by your own rules and not that which is shared with you to guide you to a better way of life. You must remember you are the transgressor, and by coming to the people who don't transgress and asking them to sink to your level is clearly wrong. If you can't keep G-d's Law then that is your problem but don't go searching to take a bunch a people down with you.

Thus, the injury which is done to humanity by the Christian church in
"establishing it", is negative to society.

You not only tempt some men to equivication or hypocrisy, but exclude from the office others of sounder integrity. When they insist on the purity and sanctity of the moral law they violate the law themselves. They also end up lowering the standard in other issues like handling sin and following the commandments. Their problem is also that they end up playing judge and playing God in judge and jury, often times frowning down upon people who might have better understanding or purity than those imposing their impressions. By trying to convert people who already have G-d and his Laws they are bringing them down that Ladder instead of up it, and they also admit they worship another G-d other then the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

[alang1216]

Morality in Society:

(The following is from: J Dymond's book "Essays of the Principles of Morality" 1896 in Philadelphia -old Seminary Material - essay 1 chapter 2- Pg 5.)

One Proposes "the Understanding" as the means, but every observer perceives that "the understandings" of men are often contradictory to their decisions. Indeed many of those who now think their understandings dictates the rectitude of a given action, will find that the understandings of the intelligent pagans of antiquity came to very different conclusions...... Good men find in practice of life, some sympathy, but these emotions are frequently unsafe and sometimes erroneous guides of their conduct. Besides, the emotions are to regulated and restrained; which of itself intimates the necessity of a regulating and restraining, that is, of a superior Power.

To say we should act according to the eternal & and necessary differences of things is to advance a proposition which NINE out of TEN people do not understand and of course can not adopt in practice; and of the few who do understand it, perhaps an equal number can not apply it, with even tolerable facility to the concerns of life. (-end- of the book quote)
Proof of this was in a poll study a ministry recently did which showed faithful Christians behaved no differently then the rest of society. Conclusion: one can talk the talk but it means nothing if you walk off the course...thus the only teaching should be that which brings people successfully in the path to righteousness...so if present teachings don't achieve this then it's time for new wine. The kind that brings the Teshuva (the return to God)

More on Society & Religion:

W.R. Alger 1867 Preface to the book "Genius of Solitude"

"The majority of men in every age are superficial in character and brittle in purpose, and lead undedicated lives; swarming together in buzzing crowds in all haunts of amusement or places of low competition, caring little for anything but gossip and pastime, the titillation of the senses, and the gratification of conceit."
(their EGO)

On Pg 189. he goes on to quote Gotama (Buddhism)f his four fundamental propositions:
"There is sorrow, every living creature feels it, Deliverance is desirable , Pure knowledge is the only possible deliverance."


In this he goes on to talk about the worthless ceremony in religions, which I agree should be traded in for substance and more precise formula for salvation. More practical virtues would be a system of Justice, Benevolence, Reverence, and applying a system of bestowing :
(People forget that the internet offers that ability to offer free ones services and time to help others, and bring others the enjoyment of their free programs, games, software, art, advice, teaching, experiences, networking, etc.).


Those of Greater Morals & Standards Being Tempted:

People aproach others in chat rooms and discussion boards and on the street or knocking on doors trying to change people who adhere to high standards into their own lesser moral standards & lesser ethics.
They want them to stray from the law and from G-d all so thay can justify their belief in their idol and acceptance into their club or group. This is like what Paul did. Since Paul felt he couldn't live up to the high standard he rid the law so he could be saved. That would be like playing Monopoly and changing the rules to the game half way in order to win the game or stick around the game to play longer. The problem is life is no game and changing the rules is serious business. You can't change the guidlines set by those who already know what's best and what the future holds.


It's why people ask that infamous question; "why is life so cruel".

It's cruel because you decide to play by your own rules and not that which is shared with you to guide you to a better way of life. You must remember you are the transgressor, and by coming to the people who don't transgress and asking them to sink to your level is clearly wrong. If you can't keep G-d's Law then that is your problem but don't go searching to take a bunch a people down with you.

Thus, the injury which is done to humanity by the Christian church in
"establishing it", is negative to society.

You not only tempt some men to equivication or hypocrisy, but exclude from the office others of sounder integrity. When they insist on the purity and sanctity of the moral law they violate the law themselves. They also end up lowering the standard in other issues like handling sin and following the commandments. Their problem is also that they end up playing judge and playing God in judge and jury, often times frowning down upon people who might have better understanding or purity than those imposing their impressions. By trying to convert people who already have G-d and his Laws they are bringing them down that Ladder instead of up it, and they also admit they worship another G-d other then the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The ancient Athenians said it best: the strong do what they will, the weak endure what they must.

 

[HaShev]

The ancient Athenians said it best: the strong do what they will, the weak endure what they must.

But that's an observation, which alone can't create or maintain a functioning society.
Neither can a society of takers/receivers with little to no bestowal, which is why the welfare system and socialism/communism fails.

 

[alang1216]

But that's an observation, which alone can't create or maintain a functioning society.
Neither can a society of takers/receivers with little to no bestowal, which is why the welfare system and socialism/communism fails.

That it too simplistic a view. Everyone is a giver AND a taker. Every society is a mix of capitalism, socialism, AND communism.

 

[HaShev]

That it too simplistic a view. Everyone is a giver AND a taker. Every society is a mix of capitalism, socialism, AND communism.

Done in democracies to maintain a balance otherwise there becomes uprising from those left behind. But as you notice there becomes no motivation, production lacks and corruption destroys that little bit of helping the needy via those who are greedy that destroy the system of balance.
That's why it's a joke when Socialist leaning Progressive Dems claim their brand of socialism would be a different form, no it won't there needs to be motivation and people can't rely on assistance like a thirty year old still living with his healthy parents(which you note always are unmotivated to change their reliances-hence why a repeated hot topic on Dr Phil. .

 

[alang1216]

Done in democracies to maintain a balance otherwise there becomes uprising from those left behind. But as you notice there becomes no motivation, production lacks and corruption destroys that little bit of helping the needy via those who are greedy that destroy the system of balance.
That's why it's a joke when Socialist leaning Progressive Dems claim their brand of socialism would be a different form, no it won't there needs to be motivation and people can't rely on assistance like a thirty year old still living with his healthy parents(which you note always are unmotivated to change their reliances-hence why a repeated hot topic on Dr Phil. .

You view the world through your ideology. The reality I see is that the poor work as hard or harder than others, often working more than one job. There are plenty of rich people, usually by way of inheritance, that maintain idle and decadent lives.

 

[HaShev]

You view the world through your ideology. The reality I see is that the poor work as hard or harder than others, often working more than one job. There are plenty of rich people, usually by way of inheritance, that maintain idle and decadent lives.

Steve Forbes, Trump, and his son in law Kushner etc put a hole in that generalized statement.
This is a religious and morality topic, if you want to open up a topic elsewhere on social programs then please do and remind me via invite, but this topic is not about having others pay for your xbox.

 

[ding]

The ancient Athenians said it best: the strong do what they will, the weak endure what they must.

And yet every argument you make is a moral argument.

 

[alang1216]

And yet every argument you make is a moral argument.

Not sure what you refer to but can't both be true?

 

[Hawkins]

Wrong assumptions lead to wrong conclusions.
Both Eden and Earth are sandboxes emulating the final Heaven where angels with high intelligence interact with humans with low intelligence. Angels are given the much higher intelligence because their very existence is to participate in God's various creations. Humans are granted with much lower intelligence but a larger degree of free will.

Eden displays where the issue is, while Earth demonstrates the solution and result. In both places humans are utterly defeated in terms of intelligence and strength. On Earth all mankind are kept captive (Isaiah 14:17) with Earth shaped in accordance to the capability of the devil (he's capable of destroying cities in whichever way he wanted in order to fool humans and keep them captive, first under Law then later casting doubt on Jesus and the New Covenant). It says, humans stand no chance in countering the angels in terms of intelligence. The only way provided by design for humans to eventually beat the angels is through Faith. Jesus changed the game rule from Law (which all mankind without exception are captive, that's actually why Jesus is needed for human redemption) to Covenant. Humans can break the chain of captivity through their only weapon given which is faith. That's the solution and result.

The less intelligent humans ofter fabricate philosophies with low quality, as led to by the same crafty snake in Eden. You can't beat the invincible angels. They started "educate" humans when humans are still in womb (humans are distracting to think that its the original sin but it's not). Our sin in womb is about the establishment of a social which is against God. The culture of the Canaanites were built this way, serving the purpose of stopping God's plan on the Jews. They also crafted the different cultures with the gospel banned, disregarding full effort has been put by Christians day one since Christianity was built with the mission of preaching the gospel to all nations with full force. Satan's tactics is to focus on shaping the modern societies and to spare the remote societies, as modern society are with increasing population, which subsequently affects the number of humans saved.

Let's take a look at the growth rate of sins. 80 ago there could be less than 1% Christians can get in touch of pornography. In today's world the opposite may be true. There could be less than 1% (even) Christians didn't actually get in touch with pornography. This is the shift of society culture and how quick it possibly changed the societies' moral standard. Basically you don't have a moral standard as it shifts rapidly as demonstratable by pornography alone. You can't keep anything moral. Those in modern society are expected to fail without picking the New Covenant to rely on Faith in Christ to be saved. The process of society building (in a wrong way) starts with angelic baby education before one is born. It's the soul stuff humans overlooked and thus failed to deal with. Your speculation of society behavior is superficial, in order to deliver the answers the devil (who's the god of this world) would see.

That's the big picture you should bear in mind, before you fall into any human speculations. It's the same effect of the Tree of Knowledge which the devil tempt you to, and the day you choose to eat of it the same day you shall surely die. The true human conscience refers to the original codes without manipulation. Under all circumstances though, the most effective way for you to breakthrough is to believe in Jesus to be saved.

 

[HaShev]

Wrong assumptions lead to wrong conclusions.
Both Eden and Earth are sandboxes emulating the final Heaven where angels with high intelligence interact with humans with low intelligence. Angels are given the much higher intelligence because their very existence is to participate in God's various creations. Humans are granted with much lower intelligence but a larger degree of free will.

Eden displays where the issue is, while Earth demonstrates the solution and result. In both places humans are utterly defeated in terms of intelligence and strength. On Earth all mankind are kept captive (Isaiah 14:17) with Earth shaped in accordance to the capability of the devil (he's capable of destroying cities in whichever way he wanted in order to fool humans and keep them captive, first under Law then later casting doubt on Jesus and the New Covenant). It says, humans stand no chance in countering the angels in terms of intelligence. The only way provided by design for humans to eventually beat the angels is through Faith. Jesus changed the game rule from Law (which all mankind without exception are captive, that's actually why Jesus is needed for human redemption) to Covenant. Humans can break the chain of captivity through their only weapon given which is faith. That's the solution and result.

The less intelligent humans ofter fabricate philosophies with low quality, as led to by the same crafty snake in Eden. You can't beat the invincible angels. They started "educate" humans when humans are still in womb (humans are distracting to think that its the original sin but it's not). Our sin in womb is about the establishment of a social which is against God. The culture of the Canaanites were built this way, serving the purpose of stopping God's plan on the Jews. They also crafted the different cultures with the gospel banned, disregarding full effort has been put by Christians day one since Christianity was built with the mission of preaching the gospel to all nations with full force. Satan's tactics is to focus on shaping the modern societies and to spare the remote societies, as modern society are with increasing population, which subsequently affects the number of humans saved.

Let's take a look at the growth rate of sins. 80 ago there could be less than 1% Christians can get in touch of pornography. In today's world the opposite may be true. There could be less than 1% (even) Christians didn't actually get in touch with pornography. This is the shift of society culture and how quick it possibly changed the societies' moral standard. Basically you don't have a moral standard as it shifts rapidly as demonstratable by pornography alone. You can't keep anything moral. Those in modern society are expected to fail without picking the New Covenant to rely on Faith in Christ to be saved. The process of society building (in a wrong way) starts with angelic baby education before one is born. It's the soul stuff humans overlooked and thus failed to deal with. Your speculation of society behavior is superficial, in order to deliver the answers the devil (who's the god of this world) would see.

That's the big picture you should bear in mind, before you fall into any human speculations. It's the same effect of the Tree of Knowledge which the devil tempt you to, and the day you choose to eat of it the same day you shall surely die. The true human conscience refers to the original codes without manipulation. Under all circumstances though, the most effective way for you to breakthrough is to believe in Jesus to be saved.

Eden was described as the region of Ancient Iran bordering Babylon, it's where the Hebrews came from a region that was once lush and a paradise in that day and age. The becoming like US plurality of Elohim referes to becoming like the Temple Priests aka hosts, describing them mixing good and evil precepts and ideas to appease the many cultures (like the one world religion would do in converging every pagan belief and mythology)
The image they created was even converged of many figures and plagiarized Biblical characters and roles.
You see Adam in Hebrew the word means man and represents man in the deeper sense. EVE is not Adam's (man's) first wife (Israel or Jerusalem Temple-Lilith), thus Eve is the next bride (representing the church)thus the serpent (false prophet) convinced Eve to eat from his tree that she would not die (the created character Jesus himself said such words)and Eve (church) convinced Adam (Man) to also stray and what fruit did they partake of, an APPLE? But Apples aren't indigenous and the fruit is not mentioned in the bible??Surely mankind has subconsciously revealed this forbidden fruit as 'A PAUL' who wrote 1/2-3/4 the NT and thus his forbidden fruit is revealed-it mixes knowledge that is both good and helpful and bad and harmful, hence the warning using the term "wormwood" a Bitter poisonous deadly herb. People were made bitter & mean and poisonous -deadly (over 50 million murders & thousands of wars) over this good word-knowledge that is both good and evil. You see we " Surely did die"
Even Christian preachwrs teach the serpent represents the false prophet.

John 3:14 Jesus is admittingly the Nesach
(Serpent).
The serpent (false prophet) in Genesis declares believe in his tree and you will not die, Jesus makes this promise to believe in his cross (mark of death=the beast) and you will not die even though his kingdom is in death and you are eternally dead-opposite the creators creation of life and the Hebrew concept of paradise on earth (in life).
Surely we find 50 million murders later and millions of cross ridden gravesites that Jesus was indead this serpent he himself claimed to be. Rome's punchline is at the end, Jesus is called
the morning Star(Lucifer -Baal's son) in
Rev 22:16

 

[ding]

Not sure what you refer to but can't both be true?

I'm referring to your never ending need for fairness. You want to see humans as animals and more than animals. You need to pick a lane.

The statement, "the strong do what they will, the weak endure what they must" is a Darwinian reality. If they had said, "wolves eat sheep and the sheep must endure wolves eating them," they would be saying the same thing.

Your problem is that you want to see yourself as more than just an animal. You want to see yourself as a good and moral person. Which is why you construct so many fucked up rationalizations.

Just accept that you are an animal and have no need for morals or to be seen as a "good" person.

 

[alang1216]

I'm referring to your never ending need for fairness. You want to see humans as animals and more than animals. You need to pick a lane.

The statement, "the strong do what they will, the weak endure what they must" is a Darwinian reality. If they had said, "wolves eat sheep and the sheep must endure wolves eating them," they would be saying the same thing.

Your problem is that you want to see yourself as more than just an animal. You want to see yourself as a good and moral person. Which is why you construct so many fucked up rationalizations.

Just accept that you are an animal and have no need for morals or to be seen as a "good" person.

Humans are animals, we evolved just as did every other animal on the planet. We are also very social animals that rely on others to survive and prosper. By the moral standards of our society, I believe I'm a good person. Seems simple to me.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

But that's an observation, which alone can't create or maintain a functioning society.
Neither can a society of takers/receivers with little to no bestowal, which is why the welfare system and socialism/communism fails.

Preppy-Love Is More Immature Than Puppy-Love

You intentionally omit the dependency of the HeirHead Daddy-moochers. How convenient to emphasize the most publicized parasites and ignore the most hidden ones.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Done in democracies to maintain a balance otherwise there becomes uprising from those left behind. But as you notice there becomes no motivation, production lacks and corruption destroys that little bit of helping the needy via those who are greedy that destroy the system of balance.
That's why it's a joke when Socialist leaning Progressive Dems claim their brand of socialism would be a different form, no it won't there needs to be motivation and people can't rely on assistance like a thirty year old still living with his healthy parents(which you note always are unmotivated to change their reliances-hence why a repeated hot topic on Dr Phil. .

The slackers don't get enough money from their parents to go out in the world and dominate it

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There are plenty of rich people, usually by way of inheritance, that maintain idle and decadent lives.

The RichKid Reich is exempted from his selective and slanted condemnation

 

[ding]

Humans are animals, we evolved just as did every other animal on the planet. We are also very social animals that rely on others to survive and prosper. By the moral standards of our society, I believe I'm a good person. Seems simple to me.

Would there be anything wrong or evil with me taking everything from you by force? Or would that just be me surviving and meeting my material needs and primitive impulses?

 

[alang1216]

Would there be anything wrong or evil with me taking everything from you by force? Or would that just be me surviving and meeting my material needs and primitive impulses?

Too hypothetical. Are you a district attorney or cop incarcerating me but acting within the law? Are you a large corporation using your wealth and the law to displace me to build a factory? Are you an ethnic group displacing me (how every country was founded)?

I guess it comes down to 'evil' in whose eyes, mine, yours, society's, or God's. They are not always the same.

 

[shimon]

Eden was described as the region of Ancient Iran bordering Babylon, it's where the Hebrews came from a region that was once lush and a paradise in that day and age. The becoming like US plurality of Elohim referes to becoming like the Temple Priests aka hosts, describing them mixing good and evil precepts and ideas to appease the many cultures (like the one world religion would do in converging every pagan belief and mythology)
The image they created was even converged of many figures and plagiarized Biblical characters and roles.
You see Adam in Hebrew the word means man and represents man in the deeper sense. EVE is not Adam's (man's) first wife (Israel or Jerusalem Temple-Lilith), thus Eve is the next bride (representing the church)thus the serpent (false prophet) convinced Eve to eat from his tree that she would not die (the created character Jesus himself said such words)and Eve (church) convinced Adam (Man) to also stray and what fruit did they partake of, an APPLE? But Apples aren't indigenous and the fruit is not mentioned in the bible??Surely mankind has subconsciously revealed this forbidden fruit as 'A PAUL' who wrote 1/2-3/4 the NT and thus his forbidden fruit is revealed-it mixes knowledge that is both good and helpful and bad and harmful, hence the warning using the term "wormwood" a Bitter poisonous deadly herb. People were made bitter & mean and poisonous -deadly (over 50 million murders & thousands of wars) over this good word-knowledge that is both good and evil. You see we " Surely did die"
Even Christian preachwrs teach the serpent represents the false prophet.

John 3:14 Jesus is admittingly the Nesach
(Serpent).
The serpent (false prophet) in Genesis declares believe in his tree and you will not die, Jesus makes this promise to believe in his cross (mark of death=the beast) and you will not die even though his kingdom is in death and you are eternally dead-opposite the creators creation of life and the Hebrew concept of paradise on earth (in life).
Surely we find 50 million murders later and millions of cross ridden gravesites that Jesus was indead this serpent he himself claimed to be. Rome's punchline is at the end, Jesus is called
the morning Star(Lucifer -Baal's son) in
Rev 22:16

I must admit I have been intrigued with studying or delving deeper into the interpretation of the serpent or Nachash… I find it fascinating that the symbol of the Vatican who gave us this “ image” of Jesus is a serpent or divine serpent and I find it fascinating that the Vatican is built on the hill of divination…


Nachash (נָחָשׁ) is the Hebrew word for "serpent" or "snake". In Genesis, it refers to the creature that tempts Adam and Eve with the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. ( Fruit in the symbolic sense meaning teachings as you shall know them( the teachers) by the fruit they bear or bare as in naked whether they have the naked truth or the lies that they spout must be covered up by producing more and more lies to cover up the original deceptions or untruths…. Sort of like a kid telling their parents a fib and then when questioned he must come up with a bigger lie to cover up the original one and so on and so forth. with each lie becoming bigger and more outrageous overtime which the parents either finally swallow which goes down bitter in their mouth or figure out their kid is full of shit( which is where the dung beetle comes in…lol… Rolling it’s shit across the ground trampling the good earth by leaving its remnants all over the place which is why Jesus is referred to as a worm the clue here is that Jesus is referred to as the “ Word” or logos.. Not as a living breathing being…. A true idol not made of wood or metal but of words or pages in a book full of lies and deceptions with each lie becoming bigger then the next to cover up the original lie or fib…


I took this info from AI just to delve a little deeper obviously they are based on rabbinic sources and I do not want to confuse the issue but people need to look into these subjects deeper for themselves so that they can learn and figure things out as to who is telling their parents a truth( the ones coming from true light) and those coming from lies and deceptions( or gross darkness)

• Symbolism: The nachash is a central figure in the story of humanity's fall into sin. It is described as "crafty" or "subtle" and is often interpreted as a physical vessel for Satan.( Satan being in the original Hebrew concepts the one who stands in your way or the accuser not an actual supernatural being.. Who fits this better then the Vatican or the ones that gave us the teachings or fruit then they spew forth from their lies)
• Curse: After tempting Eve, the serpent is cursed by God to crawl on its belly and eat dust, which some scholars interpret as a reflection of its spiritual degradation.( What could be more degrading then swallowing this malarkey )
• Multiple meanings: The root of the word nachash can also mean "to practice divination or fortune-telling". Some interpretations also link it to "bronze" or "shining," suggesting a luminous divine being who became a deceiver.

Very very interesting subject very interesting indeed that is why the books christians have swallowed from the deceivers or divine serpent(the symbol of the Vatican)consists of 66 of them with mankind being formed from the clay or dust of the earth on the 6 th day… Hence 666….

 

[Woodznutz]

Morality in Society:

(The following is from: J Dymond's book "Essays of the Principles of Morality" 1896 in Philadelphia -old Seminary Material - essay 1 chapter 2- Pg 5.)

One Proposes "the Understanding" as the means, but every observer perceives that "the understandings" of men are often contradictory to their decisions. Indeed many of those who now think their understandings dictates the rectitude of a given action, will find that the understandings of the intelligent pagans of antiquity came to very different conclusions...... Good men find in practice of life, some sympathy, but these emotions are frequently unsafe and sometimes erroneous guides of their conduct. Besides, the emotions are to regulated and restrained; which of itself intimates the necessity of a regulating and restraining, that is, of a superior Power.

To say we should act according to the eternal & and necessary differences of things is to advance a proposition which NINE out of TEN people do not understand and of course can not adopt in practice; and of the few who do understand it, perhaps an equal number can not apply it, with even tolerable facility to the concerns of life. (-end- of the book quote)
Proof of this was in a poll study a ministry recently did which showed faithful Christians behaved no differently then the rest of society. Conclusion: one can talk the talk but it means nothing if you walk off the course...thus the only teaching should be that which brings people successfully in the path to righteousness...so if present teachings don't achieve this then it's time for new wine. The kind that brings the Teshuva (the return to God)

More on Society & Religion:

W.R. Alger 1867 Preface to the book "Genius of Solitude"

"The majority of men in every age are superficial in character and brittle in purpose, and lead undedicated lives; swarming together in buzzing crowds in all haunts of amusement or places of low competition, caring little for anything but gossip and pastime, the titillation of the senses, and the gratification of conceit."
(their EGO)

On Pg 189. he goes on to quote Gotama (Buddhism)f his four fundamental propositions:
"There is sorrow, every living creature feels it, Deliverance is desirable , Pure knowledge is the only possible deliverance."


In this he goes on to talk about the worthless ceremony in religions, which I agree should be traded in for substance and more precise formula for salvation. More practical virtues would be a system of Justice, Benevolence, Reverence, and applying a system of bestowing :
(People forget that the internet offers that ability to offer free ones services and time to help others, and bring others the enjoyment of their free programs, games, software, art, advice, teaching, experiences, networking, etc.).


Those of Greater Morals & Standards Being Tempted:

People aproach others in chat rooms and discussion boards and on the street or knocking on doors trying to change people who adhere to high standards into their own lesser moral standards & lesser ethics.
They want them to stray from the law and from G-d all so thay can justify their belief in their idol and acceptance into their club or group. This is like what Paul did. Since Paul felt he couldn't live up to the high standard he rid the law so he could be saved. That would be like playing Monopoly and changing the rules to the game half way in order to win the game or stick around the game to play longer. The problem is life is no game and changing the rules is serious business. You can't change the guidlines set by those who already know what's best and what the future holds.


It's why people ask that infamous question; "why is life so cruel".

It's cruel because you decide to play by your own rules and not that which is shared with you to guide you to a better way of life. You must remember you are the transgressor, and by coming to the people who don't transgress and asking them to sink to your level is clearly wrong. If you can't keep G-d's Law then that is your problem but don't go searching to take a bunch a people down with you.

Thus, the injury which is done to humanity by the Christian church in
"establishing it", is negative to society.

You not only tempt some men to equivication or hypocrisy, but exclude from the office others of sounder integrity. When they insist on the purity and sanctity of the moral law they violate the law themselves. They also end up lowering the standard in other issues like handling sin and following the commandments. Their problem is also that they end up playing judge and playing God in judge and jury, often times frowning down upon people who might have better understanding or purity than those imposing their impressions. By trying to convert people who already have G-d and his Laws they are bringing them down that Ladder instead of up it, and they also admit they worship another G-d other then the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Paul was a well-studied, devout Jew (by religion) who had no problem keeping the OC Law as the Jews understood it. It was the NC 'law of Christ' that he had problems with, as we all do.