Moon god?

[MisterBeale]

You would think the Ten Commandments would be at the center of civic life. . .

. . . but they still worship the same damn idol to this day, despite the warnings. . .

 

[Roudy]

Jews are guilty of the same thing. More so since their religion is older.
Deities of the ancient Near East
Levantine (Canaanite)[hide]

• Adonis
• Anat
• Asherah
• Ashima
• Astarte
• Atargatis
• Baal
• Berith
• Chemosh
• Dagon
• El
• Elyon
• Eshmun
• Hadad
• Kothar-wa-Khasis
• Melqart
• Moloch
• Mot
• Qetesh
• Resheph
• Shahar
• Shalim
• Shapash
• Yahweh
• Yam
• Yarikh

"In the oldest biblical literature (12th–11th centuries BC), Yahweh is a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior" who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies; he and Israel are bound by a covenant under which Yahweh will protect Israel and, in turn, Israel will not worship other gods.[4]:158–159 At a later period, Yahweh functioned as the dynastic cult (the god of the royal house)[5]:69–70 with the royal courts promoting him as the supreme god over all others in the pantheon (notably Baal, El, and Asherah (who is thought by some scholars to have been his consort)).[6][7]:917 Over time, Yahwism became increasingly intolerant of rivals, and the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.[5]:69–70 [7]:917 With the work of Second Isaiah (the theoretical author of the second part of the Book of Isaiah) towards the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BC), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world.[7]:917


By early post-biblical times, the name of Yahweh had ceased to be pronounced. In modern Judaism, it is replaced with the word Adonai, meaning Lord, and is understood to be God's proper name and to denote his mercy.[8] Many Christian Bibles follow the Jewish custom and replace it with "the LORD".
Yahweh - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In the same way, Jews are basically pagans and heathens. They worships the SAME moon god. It is just not so obvious.

"One of the false gods the Jews worshipped was Yah. This pagan idol has its roots in Babylon and in Egypt. This is the lunar or moon god. In Babylon the moon god is called "Ia" or Ya. It has both a female and a male identity. In Egypt the Babylonian female "Ia or Ya" was changed into a male god and the female god was named "shua" and made the sky god. When a person then combines these forms into Iashua or Yahshua they have made the moon god the sky god.

This Babylonian/Egypt deity is also called Baal throughout the Scriptures. The Jews did worshiped the moon god when they apostated into idolatry from the true God Ehyeh asher Ehyeh (Elohim/Adonai). Look up the word moon in Hebrew and it is "yareah" which is the same as "Yahweh." Modern Hebrew spells it different now to distort the real identity of their ancient Yah god. They now spell it "yareach." No matter, real scholars know the truth!

The Yah moon god remains controversial. Why? Because scholars are fearful to say the Jewish god Yah is the same as the Babylonian god "Ia-ya" and or the Egyptian moon god Yah. They feel this somehow may cause loss of faith in the Jews and in the true God of the Jews. They are fearful and reluctant to make this bold connection because it brings into question the tetragrammaton god YHVH or YHWH since both incorporate the "Yah" deity into their name constructions as "Yahveh or Yahweh." The evidence however is quite strong and overwhelming that Yah is an idol god.

This moon god also has the name of Thoth. It is because there are two names for this same idol that scholars can draw away attention that this moon god is Yah. This is how they do it with the word Baal also. They will not give us the real names of these Baal gods so we can observe the Jews as they moved from idol to idol and from one god to another. There were many Jewish gods. Here is a short list as we found them so far:"
The hallelujah god

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Who can forget what their god told Abraham to do? Who knows how many other innocent children were slaughtered that DIDN'T make it into the records?

Nice try, except the name "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" are Christian / Western fabrications. It is a derivative of Adonai, the correct word and pronunciation. You will never hear those two words pronounced as a reference in a synagogue.

Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The name of God in Judaism used most often in the Hebrew Bible is יהוה (YHWH), also known as the Tetragrammaton. El(god), Elohim (god, singular and plural form, depending on the context), El Shaddai (god almighty), Adonai (master), Elyon(highest) and Avinu (our father) are regarded by many religious Jews not as names, but as epithets or titles highlighting different aspects and 'roles' of God.[1]


Is God s name Yahweh or Jehovah Catholic Answers

About the 13th century the term "Jehovah" appeared when Christian scholars took the consonants of "Yahweh" and pronounced it with the vowels of "Adonai." This resulted in the sound "Yahowah," which has a Latinized spelling of "Jehovah." The first recorded use of this spelling was made by a Spanish Dominican monk, Raymundus Martini, in 1270.

However yes, all monotheistic religions can trace their history to pagans. And some like Islam, evolved strictly out of idolatry.

 

[MisterBeale]

However yes, all monotheistic religions can trace their history to pagans. And some like Islam, evolved strictly out of idolatry.

You can say that if you like, but wiser folks know that is only your anger and your hatred talking. . .

 

[Roudy]

RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS

Ramadan has Pagan Roots in India and the Middle East

Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance ofthirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed inIndia and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when themoon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippersof the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared andended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[1].

The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with twogroups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians. The Mandaeans lived in Iraq during the2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods,or “light personalities.” Their gods were classified under four categories: “first life,” “second life,”“third life”and “fourth life.” Old gods belongto the “first life” category. They summoned deities who, in turn, created “second life”deities, and so forth.

The other group, considered as Sabians, were the Harranians. They worshippedSin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deities. The Sabians were in contact with Ahnaf, an Arabian group which Mohammed joinedbefore claiming to be a prophet. Ahnaf sought knowledge by going to NorthernIraq, where there were many communities of Mandaeans. They also went to thecity of Harran in the al-Jazirah district in northern Syria on the borderbetween Syria, Iraq and Asia Minor.

Ramadan was a pagan ceremony practiced by the Sabians, whether they wereHarranians or Sabians. From the writings of Abu Zanad, an Arabic writer from Iraqwho lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Mandaean communitylocated in northern Iraq observed Ramadan[ii][2].

Ramadan was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Harran. Similarities Between the Ramadan of Harran and the Islamic Ramadan.

Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pre-Islamic times by the pagansof Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a cityon the border between Syria and Iraq, very close to Asia Minor which, today, isTurkey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, theyconducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March andusually finished the eighth of April. Arabic historians, such as Ibn Hazm, identifythis fast with Ramadan.[iii][3]

No shit dood. EVERY organized religion has pagan ritual roots. You're just figuring this out?

Some more than others.

Because of the age of Judaism, they probably have the most. Anyone familiar with the Kabbalah knows that to be the case.

Kabbalah isn't Judaism.

 

[Roudy]

However yes, all monotheistic religions can trace their history to pagans. And some like Islam, evolved strictly out of idolatry.

You can say that if you like, but wiser folks know that is only your anger and your hatred talking. . .

However yes, all monotheistic religions can trace their history to pagans. And some like Islam, evolved strictly out of idolatry.

You can say that if you like, but wiser folks know that is only your anger and your hatred talking. . .

No, you would like all religions to be equally rooted with respect to paganism, so as not to offend anybody. But that is just not the case. It cannot be. Every religion was born under a different set of circumstances and main characters.

Judaism being older has nothing to do with it, as the Jews were far more intellectually advanced than the Arabians when Islam came on to the scene. Not to mention that Islam's prophet was a total illiterate who couldn't read or write a single word.

 

[MisterBeale]

RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS

Ramadan has Pagan Roots in India and the Middle East

Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance ofthirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed inIndia and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when themoon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippersof the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared andended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[1].

The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with twogroups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians. The Mandaeans lived in Iraq during the2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods,or “light personalities.” Their gods were classified under four categories: “first life,” “second life,”“third life”and “fourth life.” Old gods belongto the “first life” category. They summoned deities who, in turn, created “second life”deities, and so forth.

The other group, considered as Sabians, were the Harranians. They worshippedSin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deities. The Sabians were in contact with Ahnaf, an Arabian group which Mohammed joinedbefore claiming to be a prophet. Ahnaf sought knowledge by going to NorthernIraq, where there were many communities of Mandaeans. They also went to thecity of Harran in the al-Jazirah district in northern Syria on the borderbetween Syria, Iraq and Asia Minor.

Ramadan was a pagan ceremony practiced by the Sabians, whether they wereHarranians or Sabians. From the writings of Abu Zanad, an Arabic writer from Iraqwho lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Mandaean communitylocated in northern Iraq observed Ramadan[ii][2].

Ramadan was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Harran. Similarities Between the Ramadan of Harran and the Islamic Ramadan.

Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pre-Islamic times by the pagansof Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a cityon the border between Syria and Iraq, very close to Asia Minor which, today, isTurkey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, theyconducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March andusually finished the eighth of April. Arabic historians, such as Ibn Hazm, identifythis fast with Ramadan.[iii][3]

No shit dood. EVERY organized religion has pagan ritual roots. You're just figuring this out?

Some more than others.

Because of the age of Judaism, they probably have the most. Anyone familiar with the Kabbalah knows that to be the case.

Kabbalah isn't Judaism.

 

[PratchettFan]

How is this different from bowing before any other religious symbol?

 

[Taz]

Does anyone else wonder that after a hot day in the desert, with all these guys talking their shoes and socks off and sticking hot, sweaty feet 6 inches away from your head, wouldn't it be quite nauseating? Or would the lack of deodorant cover the smell?

 

[Sunni Man]

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

 

[Hollie]

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

Well yeah. That was a tactical move. As the inventor of the newly created, fascist politico- religious ideology, he wanted no competition for idol worship. That's exactly why he partnered himself with a gawd.

Do you know the slogan that one recites to join the cult of Muhammad?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

View attachment 33873

Idolatry?

Not to make any figures for ornament, even if they are not worshipped (Ex. 20:20)
Not to use the ornament of any object of idolatrous worship (Deut. 7:25)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)

Idolatry.

 

[amrchaos]

How is this different from bowing before any other religious symbol?

It depends on the context the person bowing before it takes the religious symbol.

A modern example that keeps popping up is the claim that Catholics are idol worshipers because they pray before their symbols. But the fact is, they do not think of their statues, holy symbols or whtever is God nor a medium of God.

If it is anything(this is my opinion), it is kind of a reference point that identifies them as of the Catholic faith to other Catholics. If they see a catholic praying in another direction, it may cause others to suspect that individuals understanding of their faith.

I am pretty sure that practitioners of Islam would suspect such an individual who claims to be a muslims but do not carry out the proper ritual of pryer with them.

As an atheist(agnostic) I find,unless otherwise directed by them, to at least face the direction of their prayers when I am in a facility controlled by the practioners. To not do this seems like a form of disrespect which is something I do not wish to construe.

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

Well yeah. That was a tactical move. As the inventor of the newly created, fascist politico- religious ideology, he wanted no competition for idol worship. That's exactly why he partnered himself with a gawd.

Do you know the slogan that one recites to join the cult of Muhammad?

There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger?
It is also an identifier.

There is an identifier for Christians:
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Christians and Muslims are more similar to each other than, say, Christian and Jews

 

[amrchaos]

View attachment 33873

Idolatry?

Not to make any figures for ornament, even if they are not worshipped (Ex. 20:20)
Not to use the ornament of any object of idolatrous worship (Deut. 7:25)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)

Idolatry.

And that is why It is virtually impossible to get Pagans/Gentiles to join Judaism!!

Just the simple fact that I can't bow down in front of a tree or wall more than once without some one ready to stone me makes it a rigid system.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

View attachment 33873

Idolatry?

Not to make any figures for ornament, even if they are not worshipped (Ex. 20:20)
Not to use the ornament of any object of idolatrous worship (Deut. 7:25)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)

Idolatry.

And that is why It is virtually impossible to get Pagans/Gentiles to join Judaism!!

Just the simple fact that I can't bow down in front of a tree or wall more than once without some one ready to stone me makes it a rigid system.

We don't stone ya right away, we give you a trial first.

 

[PratchettFan]

How is this different from bowing before any other religious symbol?

It depends on the context the person bowing before it takes the religious symbol.

A modern example that keeps popping up is the claim that Catholics are idol worshipers because they pray before their symbols. But the fact is, they do not think of their statues, holy symbols or whtever is God nor a medium of God.

If it is anything(this is my opinion), it is kind of a reference point that identifies them as of the Catholic faith to other Catholics. If they see a catholic praying in another direction, it may cause others to suspect that individuals understanding of their faith.

I am pretty sure that practitioners of Islam would suspect such an individual who claims to be a muslims but do not carry out the proper ritual of pryer with them.

As an atheist(agnostic) I find,unless otherwise directed by them, to at least face the direction of their prayers when I am in a facility controlled by the practioners. To not do this seems like a form of disrespect which is something I do not wish to construe.

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

Well yeah. That was a tactical move. As the inventor of the newly created, fascist politico- religious ideology, he wanted no competition for idol worship. That's exactly why he partnered himself with a gawd.

Do you know the slogan that one recites to join the cult of Muhammad?

There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger?
It is also an identifier.

There is an identifier for Christians:
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Christians and Muslims are more similar to each other than, say, Christian and Jews

So..... it isn't different. Or did I miss something?

 

[PratchettFan]

How is this different from bowing before any other religious symbol?

It depends on the context the person bowing before it takes the religious symbol.

A modern example that keeps popping up is the claim that Catholics are idol worshipers because they pray before their symbols. But the fact is, they do not think of their statues, holy symbols or whtever is God nor a medium of God.

If it is anything(this is my opinion), it is kind of a reference point that identifies them as of the Catholic faith to other Catholics. If they see a catholic praying in another direction, it may cause others to suspect that individuals understanding of their faith.

I am pretty sure that practitioners of Islam would suspect such an individual who claims to be a muslims but do not carry out the proper ritual of pryer with them.

As an atheist(agnostic) I find,unless otherwise directed by them, to at least face the direction of their prayers when I am in a facility controlled by the practioners. To not do this seems like a form of disrespect which is something I do not wish to construe.

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

Well yeah. That was a tactical move. As the inventor of the newly created, fascist politico- religious ideology, he wanted no competition for idol worship. That's exactly why he partnered himself with a gawd.

Do you know the slogan that one recites to join the cult of Muhammad?

There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger?
It is also an identifier.

There is an identifier for Christians:
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Christians and Muslims are more similar to each other than, say, Christian and Jews

Another thought. How is making a pilgrimage to Mecca and praying before the Black Stone different than making a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and praying before the Wailing Wall?

 

[Roudy]

How is this different from bowing before any other religious symbol?

Name another religion that people get on all fours like idol worshippers.

 

[Roudy]

View attachment 33873

Idolatry?

Not to make any figures for ornament, even if they are not worshipped (Ex. 20:20)
Not to use the ornament of any object of idolatrous worship (Deut. 7:25)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)

Idolatry.

Agreed. Like I said no faith is immune.

 

[Roudy]

How is this different from bowing before any other religious symbol?

It depends on the context the person bowing before it takes the religious symbol.

A modern example that keeps popping up is the claim that Catholics are idol worshipers because they pray before their symbols. But the fact is, they do not think of their statues, holy symbols or whtever is God nor a medium of God.

If it is anything(this is my opinion), it is kind of a reference point that identifies them as of the Catholic faith to other Catholics. If they see a catholic praying in another direction, it may cause others to suspect that individuals understanding of their faith.

I am pretty sure that practitioners of Islam would suspect such an individual who claims to be a muslims but do not carry out the proper ritual of pryer with them.

As an atheist(agnostic) I find,unless otherwise directed by them, to at least face the direction of their prayers when I am in a facility controlled by the practioners. To not do this seems like a form of disrespect which is something I do not wish to construe.

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

Well yeah. That was a tactical move. As the inventor of the newly created, fascist politico- religious ideology, he wanted no competition for idol worship. That's exactly why he partnered himself with a gawd.

Do you know the slogan that one recites to join the cult of Muhammad?

There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger?
It is also an identifier.

There is an identifier for Christians:
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Christians and Muslims are more similar to each other than, say, Christian and Jews

Another thought. How is making a pilgrimage to Mecca and praying before the Black Stone different than making a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and praying before the Wailing Wall?

Are they getting in all fours in front of the wall? Or just standing there and praying. Was the wall a pagan structure?

 

[Roudy]

Prior to Muhammad’s birth, there were about 570 tribes that comprised the Arab people. These tribes worshipped about 360 gods at Mecca in the Kabah structure.

History records that the first thing that Muhammad did after conquering Mecca was to go to the Kabba and destroyed the 360 idols which were both inside and outside of the structure. ........
.

Is that why Mohammad incorporated idol worshiping traditions into Islam, such as Ramadan?