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Illiterate dumbass :rolleyes:
The date is 7/27/21
Do you understand now?
What I understand is your choice to deny the impact of past policies unless they suit your white ass.
 
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The US government never promised freed slaves anything. As I recall ONE general(W.T. Sherman) was responsible for the 40 acres and a mule comment. Also the mule was a LOAN, not a gift and the 40 acres was Confederate land, not western land. 40 acres of prairie isn't enough for a viable farm, Those prairie grants were in sections as I understand it, a section is 640 acres. The people accepting the grants also had to meet a minimal standard of farming equipment. You give an ex-slave one of those grants and without the capital to buy a bunch of equipment as well as food to survive until first harvest and he'd starve to death. If that had happened, you, IM2 and Paul would be accusing us of fomenting a black holocaust.

Sherman's Special Field Orders No. 15," in The War of the Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, Series I, Vol. 47, Part II (Washington: GPO, 1895), pp.60-62 5. General William T. Sherman's Special Field Order No. 15 · After Slavery: Educator Resources · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

Circular #13 War Department Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen, and Abandoned Lands. Washington July 28, 1865,” Source: National Archives and Records Administration, Record Group 105, Entry 24, No. 139 Asst Adjutant General Circulars 1865-1869, Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen, and Abandoned Lands, pp. 14-15. (Transcribed from the original by John Soos, August, 2003)
 

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Black farmers who remain are a declining group. Like white farmers, many have lost land to agribiz.

There's a white guy who lived near here who refused to eat strawberries til the day he died, because he'd had to work in strawberry fields when young. What liberals (we are not "libs", watch your insulting mouth) are suspicious of is a program which might train them to do ag work but only to be able to then perform menial tasks for low pay, which would hardly be an improvement on sharecropping, a vile system in which many black and white ag workers were stuck in the post-emancipation South.
Sharecropping exists today. My late uncle sharecropped his land with one of his neighbors. My uncle loved living in the country, but had no interest in working his farm. The neighbor worked the farm alongside his own for a share of the crop. Both he and my uncle did well out of the process.
 

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45,000 is a wee percentage of the black people in this country.

Young blacks are interested in urban life, rappin' and pimpin'. Not milking a fucking cow or plowing a field.

Most- not all mind you- consider the idea of tending to chickens and picking tobacco to be "racist".
Running a farm is, and always been, a miserable way to make a living. There are no days off, you depend on nature for everything.
 

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45,000 is a wee percentage of the black people in this country.

Young blacks are interested in urban life, rappin' and pimpin'. Not milking a fucking cow or plowing a field.

Most- not all mind you- consider the idea of tending to chickens and picking tobacco to be "racist".
You white boys never know what you are talking about. I wonder what it is in the white boy psyche that makes them think they know what Black people are interested in?
 
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Thats a lot of garbage. What they wanted was the land they were promised. So what are you talking about?
They were promised nothing. Sherman proposed giving freed slaves forty acres seized from Confederate owners and the LOAN of a government owned mule. He had bo authorization to do that and nothing came of the idea in the end, the whole thing is an urban legend.
 
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That it was in the past shit don't flush and this is why:

The Homestead Acts passed in 1862, gave away 246 million acres of land. Research shows that 99.73 percent of that land went to whites, including white immigrants. 1.5 million white families were given free land or the equivalent of a minimum of $500,000 per family. Today 93 million whites still live on homestead land, which is at least 40 percent of the white population in America. That land has helped whites accumulate the wealth they have today.

The Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 ended homesteading;[31][32] by that time, federal government policy had shifted to retaining control of western public lands. The only exception to this new policy was in Alaska, for which the law allowed homesteading until 1986.[31]


Donation Land Claim Act of 1850
Homestead Act of 1862
Southern Homestead Act of 1866
Timber Culture Act of 1873
Kinkaid Amendment of 1904
Forest Homestead Act of 1906
Enlarged Homestead Act of 1909
Stock-Raising Homestead Act of 1916
Subsistence Homesteads provisions under the New Deal – 1930
Homesteading requirements
In practice
End of homesteading
You and this crap again. Do you even read the rebittles of your lies and nonsense?
 
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You and this crap again. Do you even read the rebittles of your lies and nonsense?
You don't offer rebuttals. There is no rebuttal to this. These things happened and they are handouts whites have gotten.
 

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You don't offer rebuttals. There is no rebuttal to this. These things happened and they are handouts whites have gotten.
Since you are too stupid to understand plain English, I’ll spell out my rebuttal to you. Sherman had no legal authority to offer ex-slaves forty acres. Neither the congress or Abe Lincoln has that authority without a bill being passed by both houses of congress and signed into law by the sitting president. I’m unaware that such a law was ever even debated, let alone passed. So your “forty acres and a mule” is nothing but a myth. None of your positions or “studies” are any more valid. They are intellectual masturbation intended to pacify people like you who think society owes them something.
 
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Since you are too stupid to understand plain English, I’ll spell out my rebuttal to you. Sherman had no legal authority to offer ex-slaves forty acres. Neither the congress or Abe Lincoln has that authority without a bill being passed by both houses of congress and signed into law by the sitting president. I’m unaware that such a law was ever even debated, let alone passed. So your “forty acres and a mule” is nothing but a myth. None of your positions or “studies” are any more valid. They are intellectual masturbation intended to pacify people like you who think society owes them something.
I understood what you said from the start. But you see you stupid white pece of shit, the OP was about handouts whites got from the government. The homestead act is real. You chosea a diversion instead of talking about the actual topic.
 
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"At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through an act of Congress our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor."

Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

The Homestead Acts passed in 1862, gave away 246 million acres of land. Research shows that 99.73 percent of that land went to whites, including white immigrants. 1.5 million white families were given free land or the equivalent of a minimum of $500,000 per family. Today 93 million whites still live on homestead land, which is at least 40 percent of the white population in America. That land has helped whites accumulate the wealth they have today.

The Homestead Acts began before the end of slavery. This alone should provide evidence of the limited benefit this act had for blacks in America. The Homestead Act provided that a person had to be a citizen to qualify and blacks were not given citizenship until 1866. The overturning of Field Order 15 by President Andrew Johnson also reduced the positive effect such land grants would have provided for blacks

"But not only did they give them land, "they built land grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms."

"Not only that, today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to
farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps. And this is what we are faced with, and this is the reality."


Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

For those who do not understand the reality of how the past extends into today, I present you with the Morrill Act of 1862. Early American society was based on agriculture. By the mid-1800s, the U.S. population was majority rural. So as Dr. King so eloquently described, the government saw the need to provide education and services to assist whites moving west to help them survive on the free land the government provided. Because of that, the United States Congress passed the Morrill Act of 1862, better known as the Land Grant Act. The act gave each state 30,000 acres of land per senator that was to be used to provide education in agriculture, home economics, mechanical arts, or any other profession available during that time in America. They used the grants of land to build colleges, thus Land Grant colleges are one result of the Morrill Act.

Needless to say, blacks were not allowed to attend many Morrill Act institutions. To combat this, the U.S Congress came up with the Agricultural College Act of 1890, (26 Stat. 417, 7 U.S.C. § 321 et seq.) or easier remembered as the Morrill Act of 1890. Signed on August 30, 1890, the Second Morrill Act made it so that black Americans could be admitted into Land Grant Colleges. States having separate colleges for blacks and whites were required to create colleges to train black students in agriculture, mechanical arts, architecture, and other professions of the time just like whites. This law created some of the Americas legendary HBCU’S, but until desegregation became the law, black land grant colleges were not equally funded. These land grants established white economic advancement and as Dr. King said, they established an economic floor for the European immigrants that entered America. At the same time, blacks were freed from slavery, and that economic floor was ripped out from under them thanks to President Andrew Johnson.

Williams, T. (2000). The Homestead Act: A major asset-building policy in American history (CSD Working Paper No. 00-9). St. Louis, MO: Washington University, Center for Social Development. The Homestead Act: A Major Asset-Building Policy in American History

Land-Grant Colleges and Universities | National Institute of Food and Agriculture

Land-Grant Colleges and Universities with state, district, or territory name and list of institutions State, District or Territory Name of Institution ALABAMA Alabama A&M University, Normal Auburn University, Auburn Tuskegee University, Tuskegee ALASKA Ilisagvik College, Barrow University of...
nifa.usda.gov
nifa.usda.gov

https://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/morrill.html

www.law.cornell.edu
 
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Since you are too stupid to understand plain English, I’ll spell out my rebuttal to you. Sherman had no legal authority to offer ex-slaves forty acres. Neither the congress or Abe Lincoln has that authority without a bill being passed by both houses of congress and signed into law by the sitting president. I’m unaware that such a law was ever even debated, let alone passed. So your “forty acres and a mule” is nothing but a myth. None of your positions or “studies” are any more valid. They are intellectual masturbation intended to pacify people like you who think society owes them something.
Let me add dumb ass, that blacks should have been able to get the same free land whites were given. So again you don't know what you're talking about and you think that just because you're white you get to dispute something. Learn to shut the fuck up.

The Homestead Act: A Major Asset-building Policy in American History
Trina William

On June 21, 1866, Congress passed the Southern Homestead Act. Forty-six million acres of unsold public land in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi were set aside for purchase in 80-acre plots, then later 160-acre plots. The primary beneficiaries, at least in the first six months, were to be landless freedmen. It was a rare full-scale solution attempted to assist freed slaves. In addition, the land was to be for settlers, not sold to speculators or those with mining and timber interests. The desire for land among the former slaves was strong and they deluged local land officers with requests for homesteads (Lanza, 1990). This was true even though settlement would be difficult given that most quality land had been claimed before the Civil War. What remained was primarily swamp land and pine trees that would have required much capital to improve (Gates, 1996; Magdol, 1977). Before much land had been distributed, the Southern Homestead Act, like most Reconstruction programs, was repealed in June of 1876.

The homestead only clause was taken away and the remaining land opened for sale and preemption (Lanza, 1990)

During a period where many citizens were given public land by the government, Blacks who wanted to be small farm owners had to pay for their land and struggle against obstacles that most of their White counterparts did not.

 

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"At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through an act of Congress our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor."

Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

The Homestead Acts passed in 1862, gave away 246 million acres of land. Research shows that 99.73 percent of that land went to whites, including white immigrants. 1.5 million white families were given free land or the equivalent of a minimum of $500,000 per family. Today 93 million whites still live on homestead land, which is at least 40 percent of the white population in America. That land has helped whites accumulate the wealth they have today.

The Homestead Acts began before the end of slavery. This alone should provide evidence of the limited benefit this act had for blacks in America. The Homestead Act provided that a person had to be a citizen to qualify and blacks were not given citizenship until 1866. The overturning of Field Order 15 by President Andrew Johnson also reduced the positive effect such land grants would have provided for blacks

"But not only did they give them land, "they built land grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms."

"Not only that, today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to
farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps. And this is what we are faced with, and this is the reality."


Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

For those who do not understand the reality of how the past extends into today, I present you with the Morrill Act of 1862. Early American society was based on agriculture. By the mid-1800s, the U.S. population was majority rural. So as Dr. King so eloquently described, the government saw the need to provide education and services to assist whites moving west to help them survive on the free land the government provided. Because of that, the United States Congress passed the Morrill Act of 1862, better known as the Land Grant Act. The act gave each state 30,000 acres of land per senator that was to be used to provide education in agriculture, home economics, mechanical arts, or any other profession available during that time in America. They used the grants of land to build colleges, thus Land Grant colleges are one result of the Morrill Act.

Needless to say, blacks were not allowed to attend many Morrill Act institutions. To combat this, the U.S Congress came up with the Agricultural College Act of 1890, (26 Stat. 417, 7 U.S.C. § 321 et seq.) or easier remembered as the Morrill Act of 1890. Signed on August 30, 1890, the Second Morrill Act made it so that black Americans could be admitted into Land Grant Colleges. States having separate colleges for blacks and whites were required to create colleges to train black students in agriculture, mechanical arts, architecture, and other professions of the time just like whites. This law created some of the Americas legendary HBCU’S, but until desegregation became the law, black land grant colleges were not equally funded. These land grants established white economic advancement and as Dr. King said, they established an economic floor for the European immigrants that entered America. At the same time, blacks were freed from slavery, and that economic floor was ripped out from under them thanks to President Andrew Johnson.

Williams, T. (2000). The Homestead Act: A major asset-building policy in American history (CSD Working Paper No. 00-9). St. Louis, MO: Washington University, Center for Social Development. The Homestead Act: A Major Asset-Building Policy in American History

Land-Grant Colleges and Universities | National Institute of Food and Agriculture

Land-Grant Colleges and Universities with state, district, or territory name and list of institutions State, District or Territory Name of Institution ALABAMA Alabama A&M University, Normal Auburn University, Auburn Tuskegee University, Tuskegee ALASKA Ilisagvik College, Barrow University of...
nifa.usda.gov
nifa.usda.gov

https://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/morrill.html

www.law.cornell.edu
You keep posting the same thing. Yes the homestead act was real, but blacks were not excluded from it. As I’ve posted before, it wasn’t the golden road to prosperity that you frame it as. All that land was wild prairie, populated by hostile Indians, with little water and extreme weather conditions. Most of the people who took the grants went bust or died. Even today that land is far less productive than most farmland and needs deep well irrigation to produce crops.
You claim to have been successful, why are you wasting endless hours posting here when you could be working with young black men sharing the techniques of success. That’s why the rest of us don’t believe you were ever successful, you spend too much time hating and complaining. The successful blacks I’ve met don’t hate and complain about whites. They look forward, not back
 

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Let me add dumb ass, that blacks should have been able to get the same free land whites were given. So again you don't know what you're talking about and you think that just because you're white you get to dispute something. Learn to shut the fuck up.

The Homestead Act: A Major Asset-building Policy in American History
Trina William

On June 21, 1866, Congress passed the Southern Homestead Act. Forty-six million acres of unsold public land in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi were set aside for purchase in 80-acre plots, then later 160-acre plots. The primary beneficiaries, at least in the first six months, were to be landless freedmen. It was a rare full-scale solution attempted to assist freed slaves. In addition, the land was to be for settlers, not sold to speculators or those with mining and timber interests. The desire for land among the former slaves was strong and they deluged local land officers with requests for homesteads (Lanza, 1990). This was true even though settlement would be difficult given that most quality land had been claimed before the Civil War. What remained was primarily swamp land and pine trees that would have required much capital to improve (Gates, 1996; Magdol, 1977). Before much land had been distributed, the Southern Homestead Act, like most Reconstruction programs, was repealed in June of 1876.

The homestead only clause was taken away and the remaining land opened for sale and preemption (Lanza, 1990)

During a period where many citizens were given public land by the government, Blacks who wanted to be small farm owners had to pay for their land and struggle against obstacles that most of their White counterparts did not.

If you bother to read about the Southern Homestead Act, the land wasn’t free, it was poor quality and much of it was seized from Indian Tribes. It was also restricted to freed slaves and unionists, none of whom were welcomed in the Deep South with open arms. It wasn’t a give away as you claim. Ex-confederates did oppose it. How would you like it if the government seized several major residential centers occupied by blacks and filled them with Afghani refugees? I’d bet good money the locals would do everything in their power, both legal and illegal, to scuttle the project. Stop living in the past, teach the young kids of your race to take advantage of all the benefits available to them and live successful lives.
 
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If you bother to read about the Southern Homestead Act, the land wasn’t free, it was poor quality and much of it was seized from Indian Tribes. It was also restricted to freed slaves and unionists, none of whom were welcomed in the Deep South with open arms. It wasn’t a give away as you claim. Ex-confederates did oppose it. How would you like it if the government seized several major residential centers occupied by blacks and filled them with Afghani refugees? I’d bet good money the locals would do everything in their power, both legal and illegal, to scuttle the project. Stop living in the past, teach the young kids of your race to take advantage of all the benefits available to them and live successful lives.
Your analogy is retarded. The confederacy waged a war and lost. That is why they were occupied. You presented a false eqence but that's all you can do. The other problem with your post is I did read the information. And all you're doing is denying the facts. But before I comment about that, whites like yourself need to shut the hell up preyending that showing your whites asses where you got free shit from the government is living in the past. You are evidence of racism today. Don't tell me what to say to anyone until you can tell kids of your race that whites have been the main beneficiary of government handots paid for by blacks, native americans who don't live on reservations, asians and hispanics. Until that time you can just shut the fuck up and listen.

On June 21, 1866, Congress passed the Southern Homestead Act. Forty-six million acres of unsold public land in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi were set aside for purchase in 80-acre plots, then later 160-acre plots. The primary beneficiaries, at least in the first six months, were to be landless freedmen.

This was true even though settlement would be difficult given that most quality land had been claimed before the Civil War.

Blacks were ineligible for any public land prior to the Civil War because they were not considered citizens.
As early as 1865, certain white Southerners put legal obstacles in place to prevent ex-slaves from acquiring property. Magdol (1977) explains, In the provisional state governments under President Johnson’s protective leniency, planters not only prohibited black landownership but enacted extreme measures of social control that virtually restored slavery. The black codes struck directly at freedmen striving to escape their subordination and to obtain their communities. It was class and race legislation.


Again, today nearly half of all whites live on homestead land. That land eventually becaomes cities and towns with jobs that whites go that blacks were excluded from. This impacts us right now.
 
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You keep posting the same thing. Yes the homestead act was real, but blacks were not excluded from it. As I’ve posted before, it wasn’t the golden road to prosperity that you frame it as. All that land was wild prairie, populated by hostile Indians, with little water and extreme weather conditions. Most of the people who took the grants went bust or died. Even today that land is far less productive than most farmland and needs deep well irrigation to produce crops.
You claim to have been successful, why are you wasting endless hours posting here when you could be working with young black men sharing the techniques of success. That’s why the rest of us don’t believe you were ever successful, you spend too much time hating and complaining. The successful blacks I’ve met don’t hate and complain about whites. They look forward, not back
Yes I post the same thing because whites like you are obtuse and don't discuss the topic. You can't because it renders your little sorry claim of supremacy to that of consistent dependence on the government.
 

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Your analogy is retarded. The confederacy waged a war and lost. That is why they were occupied. You presented a false eqence but that's all you can do. The other problem with your post is I did read the information. And all you're doing is denying the facts. But before I comment about that, whites like yourself need to shut the hell up preyending that showing your whites asses where you got free shit from the government is living in the past. You are evidence of racism today. Don't tell me what to say to anyone until you can tell kids of your race that whites have been the main beneficiary of government handots paid for by blacks, native americans who don't live on reservations, asians and hispanics. Until that time you can just shut the fuck up and listen.

On June 21, 1866, Congress passed the Southern Homestead Act. Forty-six million acres of unsold public land in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi were set aside for purchase in 80-acre plots, then later 160-acre plots. The primary beneficiaries, at least in the first six months, were to be landless freedmen.

This was true even though settlement would be difficult given that most quality land had been claimed before the Civil War.

Blacks were ineligible for any public land prior to the Civil War because they were not considered citizens.
As early as 1865, certain white Southerners put legal obstacles in place to prevent ex-slaves from acquiring property. Magdol (1977) explains, In the provisional state governments under President Johnson’s protective leniency, planters not only prohibited black landownership but enacted extreme measures of social control that virtually restored slavery. The black codes struck directly at freedmen striving to escape their subordination and to obtain their communities. It was class and race legislation.


Again, today nearly half of all whites live on homestead land. That land eventually becaomes cities and towns with jobs that whites go that blacks were excluded from. This impacts us right now.
What are whites today getting free?
 

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My grandfather was a Honky and bought his own land in Ohio to work, growing fruits, vegetables and chickens. Didn't get a dam thing for free.

Should I get reparations as well?
 

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