Mississippi House passes 'Jesus Take the Wheel Act'

[jknowgood]

OK. And when one of their drivers with inadaquete experiance takes out a car, I hope it is you.

Driving a church van is no different than you driving a pick up truck or a Lincoln Continental. If a driver of a church van should be required to have a "commercial driver's license" then so should you!

You have a 30 passenger pickup truck?

Maybe a trailer park limousine

I was thinking ghetto bus with 24 inch rims.

 

[DarkFury]

OK. And when one of their drivers with inadaquete experiance takes out a car, I hope it is you.

Driving a church van is no different than you driving a pick up truck or a Lincoln Continental. If a driver of a church van should be required to have a "commercial driver's license" then so should you!

You have a 30 passenger pickup truck?

By the way ... having a commercial license doesn't assure that accidents driving commercial vehicles won't occur. The rules of the road are the same for commercial and non-commercial drivers. Now if a driver is hauling HazMat or a liquid tanker truck then special training should be required.

I think a bus load of democrats would fall under Haz-Mat.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Driving a church van is no different than you driving a pick up truck or a Lincoln Continental" is the most stupid statement on the Board since one of Stephanie's last night. Why? Because DS is pretending a church van is the same as a 30 passenger long frame vehicle.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"I think this bill is trading the safety of everyone on the road for the convenience of those operating church vehicles," Coll said. "Since the bill covers vehicles up to 30 passengers, we're not just talking vans with extra rows of seats – these are buses, with long frames and much larger blind spots than passenger vehicles."

Talk about religious extremism...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Mississippi lawmakers are once again tackling the big issues in the state. The highest poverty rate of any state in the country? Hahahaha ... no. The second-highest high school dropout rate in the country? No, no. The second-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country? Awww, hell no.

What is more pressing than extreme poverty? Well, the Mississippi House did pass a bill (HB 132), nicknamed the "Jesus Take the Wheel Act", that would exempt churches from commercial driver's license requirements:



When contacted by The Clarion-Ledger, longtime CDL-certified driver Troy Coll of Hattiesburg called the measure potentially dangerous.

"I think this bill is trading the safety of everyone on the road for the convenience of those operating church vehicles," Coll said. "Since the bill covers vehicles up to 30 passengers, we're not just talking vans with extra rows of seats – these are buses, with long frames and much larger blind spots than passenger vehicles."

Mississippi House passes Jesus Take the Wheel Act

State legislatures often get to a point where all important legislation is tied up in committees or otherwise delayed so in order to appear busy, they go after low impact legislation.

Or in the case of Mississippi low brain activity legislation.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'Jesus Take the Wheel Act'

This is clearly yet another example of reckless, irresponsible governance from the right.

And what's amusing, of course, is that there are the usual rightwing nitwits who will defend this idiotic legislation.

 

[Missourian]

Again...for the slower among us.

30 passenger bus:

U-haul truck that you can rent with your standard class D license:

Do I need a special driver's license to rent a truck?
No. U-Haul trucks are not considered commercial vehicles. U-Haul requires our customers to be 16 years of age to rent our trailers and 18 years of age to rent our trucks. Both require a valid driver's license.

The driver's license can be one of the following:
- Military
- One of the 50 states
- District of Columbia
- Canadian Province
- International or from a foreign country

U-Haul Frequently asked questions Truck rentals

 

[Papageorgio]

"I think this bill is trading the safety of everyone on the road for the convenience of those operating church vehicles," Coll said. "Since the bill covers vehicles up to 30 passengers, we're not just talking vans with extra rows of seats – these are buses, with long frames and much larger blind spots than passenger vehicles."

Talk about religious extremism...

Extremism? You like drama Clay?

The need a CDL, however you are over dramatic.

 

[BULLDOG]

If it allows them to drive a 30 passenger bus, yes, it is differant. I have driven a 32 passenger bus, and it is not at all like driving a large van.

Most drivers of Church vehicles are volunteers and not on a payroll (or they're paid very little). I have a class A, double-triple, tanker, HazMat license and they're not cheap to obtain or maintain.

Does volunteering make the lives of those thirty passengers, or the other traffic on the road less valuable? A van with a couple of extra passengers probably wouldn't be a problem, but a 30 passenger bus requires more documented training even if the driver is an unpaid volunteer.

 

[BULLDOG]

Again...for the slower among us.

30 passenger bus:

U-haul truck that you can rent with your standard class D license:

Do I need a special driver's license to rent a truck?
No. U-Haul trucks are not considered commercial vehicles. U-Haul requires our customers to be 16 years of age to rent our trailers and 18 years of age to rent our trucks. Both require a valid driver's license.

The driver's license can be one of the following:
- Military
- One of the 50 states
- District of Columbia
- Canadian Province
- International or from a foreign country

U-Haul Frequently asked questions Truck rentals

Does Uhaul allow you to haul 30 kids in the back of that truck?

 

[guno]

 

[Dot Com]

its cutting corners for jesus

 

[BULLDOG]

OK. And when one of their drivers with inadaquete experiance takes out a car, I hope it is you.

Driving a church van is no different than you driving a pick up truck or a Lincoln Continental. If a driver of a church van should be required to have a "commercial driver's license" then so should you!

Unless the van holds 15 or less, you are not required to have a CDL or follow DOT regulations. 16 people or more require a CDL and the vehicle falls under DOT regulations.

The laws are helpful to make sure the vehicle and the driver, which is responsible for every life in that vehicle, are safe and not a road hazard.

Most churches don't have full sized buses. Most have E350 vans or something equivalent. But your post begs the question: If a bus driver has 15 passengers on one day and 16 passengers on the next how will does that extra passenger suddenly make the driver a hazard to other drivers simply because he doesn't have a commercial license?

You'll have to ask the DOT. They made that determination decades ago.

 

[Missourian]

Again...for the slower among us.

30 passenger bus:

U-haul truck that you can rent with your standard class D license:

Do I need a special driver's license to rent a truck?
No. U-Haul trucks are not considered commercial vehicles. U-Haul requires our customers to be 16 years of age to rent our trailers and 18 years of age to rent our trucks. Both require a valid driver's license.

The driver's license can be one of the following:
- Military
- One of the 50 states
- District of Columbia
- Canadian Province
- International or from a foreign country

U-Haul Frequently asked questions Truck rentals

Does Uhaul allow you to haul 30 kids in the back of that truck?

Does 30 kids make it somehow handle different that a U-haul full of household goods?

Could the U-haul crash into the cdl driven bus carrying 70 kids?

It's a dumb argument. This is what I do. The test doesn't put any kids back there, just run the equipment for 15 minutes with a DOT officer.

If you can drive one without training, you can drive the other...they're built on the exact same chassis.

 

[guno]

its cutting corners for jesus

 

[guno]

bottom line, they are endangering normal people driving through mississippi on tax payers funded highways

 

[BULLDOG]

Here's the relevant information from U-haul's FAQ:

Do I need a special driver's license to rent a truck?

No. U-Haul trucks are not considered commercial vehicles. U-Haul requires our customers to be 16 years of age to rent our trailers and 18 years of age to rent our trucks. Both require a valid driver's license.

The driver's license can be one of the following:
- Military
- One of the 50 states
- District of Columbia
- Canadian Province
- International or from a foreign country

U-Haul Frequently asked questions Truck rentals​

From your link

How many people can ride in your trucks and are car seats safe?

Some of our 10' moving trucks and cargo vans are only equipped with 2 bucket seats. However, most of our equipment will seat 3 passengers with safety restraints. Most of our trucks are equipped with air bags and may not satisfy local requirements for car seats. Young children and those in car seats should not be seated in front seats. For larger families we recommend driving your own vehicle and moving your belongings with U-Box moving containers.

Does Uhaul rent buses?

 

[Dot Com]

bottom line, they are endangering normal people driving through mississippi on tax payers funded highways

^ that

normal people just pass through jesusland

 

[Missourian]

Here's the relevant information from U-haul's FAQ:

Do I need a special driver's license to rent a truck?

No. U-Haul trucks are not considered commercial vehicles. U-Haul requires our customers to be 16 years of age to rent our trailers and 18 years of age to rent our trucks. Both require a valid driver's license.

The driver's license can be one of the following:
- Military
- One of the 50 states
- District of Columbia
- Canadian Province
- International or from a foreign country

U-Haul Frequently asked questions Truck rentals​

From your link

How many people can ride in your trucks and are car seats safe?

Some of our 10' moving trucks and cargo vans are only equipped with 2 bucket seats. However, most of our equipment will seat 3 passengers with safety restraints. Most of our trucks are equipped with air bags and may not satisfy local requirements for car seats. Young children and those in car seats should not be seated in front seats. For larger families we recommend driving your own vehicle and moving your belongings with U-Box moving containers.

Does Uhaul rent buses?

Still a really dumb argument.

Are all the people at risk INSIDE THE U-HAUL?

The answer is a resounding...wait for it...no.

That U-haul, as Guno put it "is endangering all the lives blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

For 50 years people have been operating these non-commercial large vehicles on a regular license, and no one had a problem with it...

Add a church into the mix "HOLY CRAP"...suddenly it's huge.

Just admit it...if this was the ACLU busing intercity voters to their polling places, suddenly it would be "This is the greatest idea that has ever been seen upon the face of the earth and why didn't they think of this before, cuz they've been renting U-hauls on a regular drivers license for like fifty years"

So please, give it up, you're not fooling anybody.

 

[Papageorgio]

If it allows them to drive a 30 passenger bus, yes, it is differant. I have driven a 32 passenger bus, and it is not at all like driving a large van.

Most drivers of Church vehicles are volunteers and not on a payroll (or they're paid very little). I have a class A, double-triple, tanker, HazMat license and they're not cheap to obtain or maintain.

Does volunteering make the lives of those thirty passengers, or the other traffic on the road less valuable? A van with a couple of extra passengers probably wouldn't be a problem, but a 30 passenger bus requires more documented training even if the driver is an unpaid volunteer.

There are a lot of retired CDL drivers that drive for churches. On a bus health issues for a driver are a big concern. Many drivers give up their CDLs because of diabetes, heart disease, blood pressure and on and on. The experience of a good healthy driver is something that can't be substituted.