Minneapolis Police Chief: "It has absolutely become an unlawful assembly."

[OODA_Loop]

It is wise, but only because the constitution doesn’t really matter anymore.

What constitutional right is violated?

 

[Marener]

What constitutional right is violated?

Fourth amendment. Arrest without probable cause.

probable cause

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[OODA_Loop]

Fourth amendment. Arrest without probable cause.

probable cause

www.law.cornell.edu

Not arrest. Detainment.

From your provided link:

lProbable cause requires more than reasonable suspicion, which permits only brief, limited investigative stops and pat-downs when an officer can point to specific, articulable facts suggesting that criminal activity may be occurring.

 

[Marener]

Not arrest. Detainment.

From your provided link:

lProbable cause requires more than reasonable suspicion, which permits only brief, limited investigative stops and pat-downs when an officer can point to specific, articulable facts suggesting that criminal activity may be occurring.

He was arrested.

Arrest vs. Detention: How to Tell Whether You've Been Arrested or Detained

In general, if a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes wouldn’t feel free to leave an encounter with the police, then there’s been either a detention or an

www.nolo.com

Detainments don’t last for 8 hours, they don’t involve being physically assaulted, thrown to the ground, shackled and carted off to jail.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Violence is what happens when change doesn't occur by other means.



Um, okay, except you can't really avoid reporting murders, can you?

Murder rate has declined since 2020, when it reached a high under Trump.

Maybe the change they are forcing isn’t wanted? But **** the concerns of those who are affected, right?

Yeah? Because it’s not because they hide that stats.

Democrats are hiding the rise in violent crime with tricky statistics

They and the media don’t understand the difference between the number of crimes reported to police and the total number of crimes.

nypost.com

How reliable are the FBI's Report of Violent Crime Data? There are some major problems. - Crime Prevention Research Center

The U.S. employs two distinct measures of crime. The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Reporting program counts the number of crimes reported to

crimeresearch.org

FBI Fudges Violent Crime Stats To Hide 55% Rise Under Biden

The FBI claims violent crime has fallen by 5.8 percent under Biden, but NCVS numbers show total violent crime has risen by 55.4 percent.

thefederalist.com

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Geez, there is proof when they entered ...when they encountered border patrol and turned themselves in to them. Do you not know that?

Then you make the case they abused the system and are subject to be deported.

 

[Delldude]

Facts of the matter clearly indicate an arrest.

See the link which does a good job explaining the difference.

I'm going by the detainee and MSMs own accounts.....

Fourth amendment. Arrest without probable cause.

While reasonable suspicion is required for detention of an individual by law enforcement, probable cause is a prerequisite for an arrest.

 

[Delldude]

Geez, there is proof when they entered ...when they encountered border patrol and turned themselves in to them. Do you not know that?

If they didn't come into the country through a port of entry, they are in criminal violation of immigration law.

No exceptions.

 

[Marener]

I'm going by the detainee and MSMs own accounts.....

While reasonable suspicion is required for detention of an individual by law enforcement, probable cause is a prerequisite for an arrest.

Their own account clearly indicates it’s an arrest.

You didn’t read the link.

He was never formally arrested. It’s still an arrest.

 

[Delldude]

Their own account clearly indicates it’s an arrest.

You didn’t read the link.

He was never formally arrested. It’s still an arrest.

Detained with reasonable suspicion, without establishing probable cause for an arrest.

 

[Delldude]

You didn’t read the link.

Which one?

 

[Marener]

Detained with reasonable suspicion, without establishing probable cause for an arrest.

Not by the legal definitions of detainment and arrest.

 

[Care4all]

If they didn't come into the country through a port of entry, they are in criminal violation of immigration law.

No exceptions.

Not true.

 

[Delldude]

Not true.

Why

 

[Delldude]

Not by the legal definitions of detainment and arrest.

Wide area of interpretation dude.

 

[Care4all]

Then you make the case they abused the system and are subject to be deported.

No. They didn't abuse the system. The system allowed it.

 

[Delldude]

No. They didn't abuse the system. The system allowed it.

That doesn't circumvent existing law.

'Biden says it's cool' doesn't change the law.

 

[Marener]

Wide area of interpretation dude.

It’s so far from the definition of detain, it’s really not debatable.

 

[Delldude]

It’s so far from the definition of detain, it’s really not debatable.

Not really. Lots of legal latitude within the definitions.

 

[Marener]

Not really. Lots of legal latitude within the definitions.

Not enough latitude to drag them out of their car, throw them to the ground, drive them miles away to a jail, lock them up for 8 hours.

You were trying to make the case they can hold people for two days based on reasonable suspicion, which is how little you understand what you’re talking about.