Minn Democrat Chair proudly proclaims they are the party of Democratic Socialists

[dblack]

How would it work for you if, say for instance, you had to negotiate individual contracts for emergency medical, police and fire services- rather than have the government withhold some of you money to provide those services. ? Ya think that it would be more efficient and cost effective?

I doubt it. Coercive state control is usually more efficient and cheaper. But it comes with other "costs".

insurance is socialism too.

Of course that's not true. But insurance does come from a similar desire - to eliminate as much risk from life as possible. There are trade-offs to that desire.

What about infrastructure -roads , bridges and such. You might find it hard to get to your job that is with holding those taxes and then you woudn't have any money- and no unempLoyment benefits either-because THAT IS SOCIALISM

No, that's not socialism either. Good gawd. You guys seem to be trying to say that all government, any shared commons, is "socialism". Can't you just debate it honestly, instead of playing all the Orwellian games?

Socialism, in general, advocates for the transfer of economic power (control over the "means of production) from private concerns to the government. The rest is window dressing.

 

[Edgetho]

Nope. A healthy society addresses social need, and that's not mutually-exclusive to being able to raise one's position.


Unlikely. There are enough miserable people here, it can't be much worse.

It has already been firmly established that the Scandinavian countries are NOT socialist. Only complete morons believed they were anyway. Brain-Washed Imbeciles. The Scandis are more Capitalist than WE are.

So, provide to us the countries that exemplify your beliefs.

China? Venezuela? Viet Nam (who is doing better... for now)? How about Cuba? The only way Cubans can improve their lives is by leaving. Don't start on that shit because I personally know a dozen Born-In-Cuba Cubans. Most of whom travel back to see relatives at least once a year. Mostly to take them medicine. Because, you know, Nationalized Health Care is so wonderful.

Think it's racial? Maybe. You probably are that stupid. How about a comparison between North and South Korea? Let's do that. Come on, go for it. South Korea is one of the most advanced Countries on Earth, socialist North Korea is a shithole. The people are even 3 inches shorters than their Southern Cousins.

You and all your ilk live in the Land of Theory.

Which is why you should never be allowed anywhere near the reins of power. Ever. Under any circumstances/ Not even during a time of a War of National Survival.

You're just too stupid

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No, that's not socialism either. Good gawd. You guys seem to be trying to say that all government, any shared commons, is "socialism". Can't you just debate it honestly, instead of playing all the Orwellian games?

Actually that's what conservatives have been saying. I am mocking them

 

[Edgetho]

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Socialism, in general, advocates for the transfer of economic power (control over the "means of production) from private concerns to the government. The rest is window dressing.

socialism, in general, advocates for the Means of Production to be owned by The WORKERS.

NOT by the goobermint. Engels (NOT Marx) said that goobermint could temporaily hold the Means of Production 'In Trust' for The Workers until they were ready to take over.

Ask nicely and I might help you understand. But I doubt you want to understand. You, like most 'socialists' want the definition to meet your desires, not to have your desires meet the definition. It's one of the more onerous aspects of scoialist scum. And yes, all socialists are scum. Every last one of them. Worse than scum. Scum has its uses, socialists have none. Zero.

The USSR held the Means of Production "In Trust' for the workers for.... What? 75 years? How'd that work out. China is socialist. Who controls their Means of Production?

The only people, the ONLY Workers on the Planet who own the Means of Production are in Capitalist Countries. Thousands of Companies are owned by The Workers. Thousands.

In Captialist Countries. In socialist Countries? Zero, and counting.

dimocraps are scum. ALL of them. No matter what they call themselves, they are scum

 

[dblack]

socialism, in general, advocates for the Means of Production to be owned by The WORKERS.

NOT by the goobermint. Engels (NOT Marx) said that goobermint could temporaily hold the Means of Production 'In Trust' for The Workers until they were ready to take over.

Ask nicely and I might help you understand. But I doubt you want to understand. You, like most 'socialists' want the definition to meet your desires, not to have your desires meet the definition. It's one of the more onerous aspects of scoialist scum. And yes, all socialists are scum. Every last one of them. Worse than scum. Scum has its uses, socialists have none. Zero.

The USSR held the Means of Production "In Trust' for the workers for.... What? 75 years? How'd that work out. China is socialist. Who controls their Means of Production?

The only people, the ONLY Workers on the Planet who own the Means of Production are in Capitalist Countries. Thousands of Companies are owned by The Workers. Thousands.

In Captialist Countries. In socialist Countries? Zero, and counting.

dimocraps are scum. ALL of them. No matter what they call themselves, they are scum

You seem to be confusing me with a socialist. Maybe you're responding to the someone else's post?

 

[Unkotare]

socialism, in general, advocates for the Means of Production to be owned by The WORKERS.
...

Nope. That's communism.

 

[Edgetho]

Nope. That's communism.

Nope. You are incorrect.

communism is what happens to socialism when government 'whithers away'

Three stages of evolvement to the Workers Paradise of communism....... A period of Capitalism, which Marx doesn't specify. socialism; where the workers own the means of production. Then at some point (unspdcified) goobermint is supposed to just 'wither away' and workers councils take over eveything.

Marx was, believe it or not, very much anti-government. It was Engels that advocated more goobermint.

AI Overview

The transition from capitalism to communism, as theorized by Marx and Engels, involves an intermediate stage called socialism. In this framework, socialism is seen as a necessary step to dismantle capitalist structures and prepare the ground for a communist society.

Here's a breakdown of the stages:
1. Capitalism: Characterized by private ownership of the means of production, free markets, and competition.
2. Socialism: The transitional phase where the working class, or proletariat, seizes control of the state and the means of production. This phase aims to establish social ownership and control to reduce inequality and redistribute wealth more equitably.
3. Communism: The ultimate goal, a stateless, classless society where resources are collectively owned and distributed based on need. Private property is abolished, and the state withers away, as it is no longer needed.

dimocraps are scum

 

[Midnight FM]

It has already been firmly established that the Scandinavian countries are NOT socialist. Only complete morons believed they were anyway. Brain-Washed Imbeciles. The Scandis are more Capitalist than WE are.

No one said they were, and often people who believe that such and such a country is "socialist" are delusional to begin with.

So, provide to us the countries that exemplify your beliefs.

China? Venezuela? Viet Nam (who is doing better... for now)? How about Cuba? The only way Cubans can improve their lives is by leaving. Don't start on that shit because I personally know a dozen Born-In-Cuba Cubans. Most of whom travel back to see relatives at least once a year. Mostly to take them medicine. Because, you know, Nationalized Health Care is so wonderful.

Think it's racial? Maybe. You probably are that stupid. How about a comparison between North and South Korea? Let's do that. Come on, go for it. South Korea is one of the most advanced Countries on Earth, socialist North Korea is a shithole. The people are even 3 inches shorters than their Southern Cousins.

Many European countries, as well as South Korea, have plenty of socialized infrastructure. For that matter, so does America. So no one needs to point out a 3rd world country as an example. There is no such thing as a "purely capitalist country", and that may very well be an oxymoron to begin with.

You and all your ilk live in the Land of Theory.

Which is why you should never be allowed anywhere near the reins of power. Ever. Under any circumstances/ Not even during a time of a War of National Survival.

You're just too stupid

There's nothing you can do about it. There is plenty of socialized infrastructure as it is, and more to come.

 

[Edgetho]

No one said they were, and often people who believe that such and such a country is "socialist" are delusional to begin with.


Many European countries, as well as South Korea, have plenty of socialized infrastructure. For that matter, so does America. So no one needs to point out a 3rd world country as an example. There is no such thing as a "purely capitalist country", and that may very well be an oxymoron to begin with.


There's nothing you can do about it. There is plenty of socialized infrastructure as it is, and more to come.

You post in meaningless, juvenile riddles.

Plus, you immediately started out with a lie, "No one said they were"

Barely a day, or even an hour, goes by in here without some dimocrap scum moron proclaiming Scandis to be socialist.

Up your game

 

[Midnight FM]

No one wants

You post in meaningless, juvenile riddles.

Plus, you immediately started out with a lie, "No one said they were"

Barely a day, or even an hour, goes by in here without some dimocrap scum moron proclaiming Scandis to be socialist.

Up your game

No one wants to be "socialist" in the sense that you're using the term, so that's just a Strawman. The reality is that countries such as Scandinavia have plenty of socialized infrastructure, and every country, including America, already does. People tend to just use "socialism" to refer to anything they don't like or don't understand.

 

[Edgetho]

No one wants
No one wants to be "socialist" in the sense that you're using the term, so that's just a Strawman. The reality is that countries such as Scandinavia have plenty of socialized infrastructure, and every country, including America, already does. People tend to just use "socialism" to refer to anything they don't like or don't understand.

I don't. I understand perfectly well what socialism is.

If people want to talk about infrastructure, benefits, etc then say so. Don't call it something it isn't.

Scandis choose to provide tons of benefits for their people. Good on them. I wish we could. We should...

But we can't. We have this group of people that will steal anything that isn't tied down. They're called the DNC, or as I refer to them, dimocrap scum.

How's that HSR in Kaliphony working out? How about all the Charging Stations that we paid Billions for? I think we have a grand total of -- Two (2) right now.

Until we can rid ourselves of the disease of the dimocrap scum party, none of it matters. We'll never have anything if we don't rid ourselves of those scumbag thieves. Never

 

[Midnight FM]

I don't. I understand perfectly well what socialism is.

If people want to talk about infrastructure, benefits, etc then say so. Don't call it something it isn't.

Scandis choose to provide tons of benefits for their people. Good on them. I wish we could. We should...

But we can't. We have this group of people that will steal anything that isn't tied down. They're called the DNC, or as I refer to them, dimocrap scum.

How's that HSR in Kaliphony working out? How about all the Charging Stations that we paid Billions for? I think we have a grand total of -- Two (2) right now.

Until we can rid ourselves of the disease of the dimocrap scum party, none of it matters. We'll never have anything if we don't rid ourselves of those scumbag thieves. Never

Another "taxation is theft" rant? It isn't. Theft is illegally taking property. Taxation is perfectly legal and protected under the Constitution.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The truth is that Scandinavia is the model for Democratic Socialists and they are the happiest countries on the planet and doing very well economically. We could learn a lot from them.

Not anymore, they are rapidly moving to the right due to the invasion of Muslims who refuse to assimilate into the Scandinavian culture. They were successful because they had a homogenous culture of trust. That has been destroyed by unchecked immigration. From the foundation of Economic Education:
"
For more on this topic, see Socialism: Force or Fantasy, especially the recommended readings at the bottom. Don’t miss this additional and very important point: So-called “democratic socialism” is at war with itself; the longer and deeper that any nation pursues it, the more the socialist aspect squeezes out the democratic part. Whenever they come to power, democratic socialists steal not only your “stuff” but anything they can get their hands on—elections, the media, the schools, your children, even your vocabulary.

The Nordic countries of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland have generous welfare states—which they have purposely been reducing—but it’s not socialism that pays the bills. As always, capitalism pays the bills that socialism piles up—that is, until, as Margaret Thatcher put it, the socialists “run out of other people’s money.”

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I have my own way of expressing that same truth: “The only thing socialism does for poor people is give them lots of company.” Or, “Socialism irons out the business cycle by eliminating the boom part.”"

 

[Midnight FM]

Not anymore, they are rapidly moving to the right due to the invasion of Muslims who refuse to assimilate into the Scandinavian culture. They were successful because they had a homogenous culture of trust. That has been destroyed by unchecked immigration. From the foundation of Economic Education:

The reality is that developed countries tend to be more individualistic than undeveloped ones, and there's certainly no requirement that "everyone be the same". If you want an example of a very "homogenous" country, I suppose you could look at North Korea, a country where individual freedoms and expression are highly repressed, but who wants to live there?

So I wouldn't see immigration itself as the issue. If immigrants from 3rd world countries engage in behavior which isn't suitable for developed countries, such as trying to deny women of their rights, then it can be opposed. But the reality is that plenty of native-born individuals, such as Neo-Nazis, do as well.

For more on this topic, see Socialism: Force or Fantasy, especially the recommended readings at the bottom. Don’t miss this additional and very important point: So-called “democratic socialism” is at war with itself; the longer and deeper that any nation pursues it, the more the socialist aspect squeezes out the democratic part. Whenever they come to power, democratic socialists steal not only your “stuff” but anything they can get their hands on—elections, the media, the schools, your children, even your vocabulary.

The Nordic countries of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland have generous welfare states—which they have purposely been reducing—but it’s not socialism that pays the bills. As always, capitalism pays the bills that socialism piles up—that is, until, as Margaret Thatcher put it, the socialists “run out of other people’s money.”

This article was adapted from an issue of the FEE Daily email newsletter. Click here to sign up and get free-market news and analysis like this in your inbox every weekday.

I have my own way of expressing that same truth: “The only thing socialism does for poor people is give them lots of company.” Or, “Socialism irons out the business cycle by eliminating the boom part.”"

I'm tired of these "taxation is theft" rants. It isn't. Theft is illegal. Taxation is perfectly legal and protected by the Constitution, and there's nothing you can do about it. Property rights are defined under the law, and require a government to be protected and enforced.

 

[Edgetho]

Another "taxation is theft" rant? It isn't. Theft is illegally taking property. Taxation is perfectly legal and protected under the Constitution.

You're gone. I'm not going to argue with an idiot

 

[Midnight FM]

You're gone. I'm not going to argue with an idiot

Truth hurts. Taxation is legal. Theft isn't. And the ability to have and enforce property rights to begin with requires a state, and therefore taxation.

 

[Leo123]

The "socialists" I'm inclined to be concerned about are the white nationalists and their race-based collectivism. One can't really take that position without also ascribing to some form of socialism.

i’m inclined to be concerned with those who categorize folks by skin color and claim those folks are racist. A Marxist tactic.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Nope. You are incorrect.

communism is what happens to socialism when government 'whithers away'

Three stages of evolvement to the Workers Paradise of communism....... A period of Capitalism, which Marx doesn't specify. socialism; where the workers own the means of production. Then at some point (unspdcified) goobermint is supposed to just 'wither away' and workers councils take over eveything.

Marx was, believe it or not, very much anti-government. It was Engels that advocated more goobermint.

AI Overview

The transition from capitalism to communism, as theorized by Marx and Engels, involves an intermediate stage called socialism. In this framework, socialism is seen as a necessary step to dismantle capitalist structures and prepare the ground for a communist society.

Here's a breakdown of the stages:
1. Capitalism: Characterized by private ownership of the means of production, free markets, and competition.
2. Socialism: The transitional phase where the working class, or proletariat, seizes control of the state and the means of production. This phase aims to establish social ownership and control to reduce inequality and redistribute wealth more equitably.
3. Communism: The ultimate goal, a stateless, classless society where resources are collectively owned and distributed based on need. Private property is abolished, and the state withers away, as it is no longer needed.

dimocraps are scum

Except that government is not going to wither away. It did not happen in Russia or anyplace else and never will. Communism as an end result of Socialism is not inevitable and not even possible, .

We may be at some degree of stage two but the Capitalists will never give up control of the means of production . Democratic Socialism does not preclude Capitalism because there are not pure systems. They can coexist . Capitalism w/ elements of socialism. In fact socialism has saved capitalism from it's own excesses .

Fear mongers -like you - are scum

 

[Midnight FM]

i’m inclined to be concerned with those who categorize folks by skin color and claim those folks are racist. A Marxist tactic.

To my knowledge, racists are found of categorizing people by their skin color. People who have a humanistic perspective just see fellow humans regardless of color.

I also fail to see what an economic system such as Marxism, has to do with any of the above.

 

[BluesLegend]

Minnesota what a clown show, they may as well be Canada.