Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

[KissMy]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades. They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

Well well. Look who showed up. All your buddies have been placed on the ignore list, because they couldn't make one single real argument.

Hope you can show them how to do it.

Prove that a teenager, flipping a burger over, is worth $15/hr?

How much would you pay someone to flip a burger over?

Anyone not paying workers at least $10 is stealing from me. Government is paying $24K to support workers & their families by taking it from the rest of us.

 

[hadit]

How do you explain hundreds of restaurants going out of business every year? Most pay their workers a preposterous $2.50-$3.00 an hour. Treat their workers like beaten down old dogs. If a restaurant business goes under, it's on the owners. It's not the workers' fault. You guys just need to move away from that 'It's always the Workers' fault' mentality. Your business fails, it's on you. No one else.

They pay the waitstaff like that because the waitstaff earn tips. Next.

Right, the customers pay them. The owners don't pay them shit. They pay them an absurd $2.50-$3.00 an hour. So why are so many of them going out of business? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Yes, dumb liberals want to raise wages until every American job goes to China and India. They lack the IQ to face reality so they simply pretend they can raise wages, at the point of a gun no less, and there will be no repercussions and everyone will live happily ever after.

They'll live happier than with the alternative you dumb hateful white Republican dudes are proposing. Which is, continue paying them like shit, Outsource their jobs whenever possible, and replace them with more Illegals for slave labor. Yeah, you guys have been real kind to American Workers. Real Saints.

You greedy fat asses aren't lookin out for fellow Americans. And the Workers know that. They're catching on. They're telling you hateful white Republican dudes to go fuck yourselves. And i say... RIGHT ON! Now they're gettin it.

I hate to tell you this, but you're just not going to succeed. They'll still be rich and you'll still be frustrated.

 

[hadit]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades. They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

Well well. Look who showed up. All your buddies have been placed on the ignore list, because they couldn't make one single real argument.

Hope you can show them how to do it.

Prove that a teenager, flipping a burger over, is worth $15/hr?

How much would you pay someone to flip a burger over?

Anyone not paying workers at least $10 is stealing from me. Government is paying $24K to support workers & their families by taking it from the rest of us.

You'll pay it either through taxes or higher prices. Why do you want to make it harder for the poor to afford basic things?

 

[Andylusion]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades. They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

Well well. Look who showed up. All your buddies have been placed on the ignore list, because they couldn't make one single real argument.

Hope you can show them how to do it.

Prove that a teenager, flipping a burger over, is worth $15/hr?

How much would you pay someone to flip a burger over?

Anyone not paying workers at least $10 is stealing from me. Government is paying $24K to support workers & their families by taking it from the rest of us.

At least $10. What if customers are not willing to pay that much for a cheap burger? What if they stop going to that store, and it closes, and now they are all paid zero?

How much are you being stolen from, when the government is paying 100% for these unemployed people earning zero?

See my view is that these companies are saving the government money. Without those jobs for unskilled workers, they'd be living 100% of the government, collecting billions more in hand outs.

 

[Idadunno]

Actually, he is right to a point. If the national minimum wage increased, that would automatically raise prices on all merchandise--food, computers, clothes, etc. Lets see if I can explain this without giving you a headache (it happens).
The US cannot compete in foreign trade. We have wage laws, compensation, lots of protection for workers. That makes our products more expensive overseas. Our import exceeds our exports on most items. Our strongest exports are weaponry, steel products (airplanes, drones, etc) and oil products/services. War is how we sustain this country (head tilt). A national wage increase would automatically raise prices to cover those raises, plus merchants, especially overseas who think we are all rich, would raise prices from their end.
More and more companies are farming out for cheaper labor and resources (your Ford is not actually made in the USA). More people are losing jobs. Places like Walmart can afford to be picky and keep wages down by cutting hours, replacing full-time with more part-time with no benefits. Disney has proven that an education will not save your job.
If employers have to pay more, they will cut hours--Pro Bass Shop hires some people to only work 5 hour weeks. That might cover your gas to and from. That has been going on since the last minimum wage increase. If an employer wants to get rid of you, it will cut your hours to the point you cannot afford to work there so you quit thus saving them paying unemployment or suddenly there is an HR report against you--some customer called in a complaint, and most likely, that customer is an employee.
If a state raises minimum wage, the impact is less on prices, but not employment. A friend of mine in a right to work state is just so shocked that she has been laid off 4 times in three years, mostly by computer firms who do the government tom-foolery thing to maintain their made in the USA status. I have been telling her for years to get back into the school system. She left teaching to make more money, and have a saner job, working in technology.
What you say about people will spend more if they make more--that is inconclusive. Research has shown that many people hoard that money because they have been through hard times and are scared to spend it. Many will use it to pay the higher costs of medical insurance since they will lose their subsidies. Some might buy a car or house, many will buy new clothes... but this will not save an economy when our foreign trade is the pits and that bloody TPP will put even more people out of jobs.
You also have to consider that when companies farm out, many cities are left to become ghost towns. When a plant was the main source of income, and that income helped feed the stores around it... that company leaving closes all those other stores and the government cannot relocate 500,000 people to new areas so that city becomes a welfare city. States try to lure in manufacturing with tax incentives to revive those cities, and then people complain that they pay more taxes than the manufacturer.
Your post makes it all seem so simple, but it is not. It is very large, and very complicated, and everything is tied together.

 

[KissMy]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades. They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

July 2015 to 2016 McDonalds will raise their wages up to poverty line dumping them off the government dole & I guarantee McDouble price does not shoot up like that from the raise in wages.

You don't like McD's following the law?

I don't like government taking money to support people at levels above what it says workers must be paid. There needs to be incentive to work! We are paying for a bloated government to support half the population & most of them are workers & their dependents! It is not economical or efficient to pay government to take from us to pay for others workers. Make them the true cost of their own workers, shrink government & spending, halt inflation & lower taxes.

 

[KissMy]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades. They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

Well well. Look who showed up. All your buddies have been placed on the ignore list, because they couldn't make one single real argument.

Hope you can show them how to do it.

Prove that a teenager, flipping a burger over, is worth $15/hr?

How much would you pay someone to flip a burger over?

Anyone not paying workers at least $10 is stealing from me. Government is paying $24K to support workers & their families by taking it from the rest of us.

At least $10. What if customers are not willing to pay that much for a cheap burger? What if they stop going to that store, and it closes, and now they are all paid zero?

How much are you being stolen from, when the government is paying 100% for these unemployed people earning zero?

See my view is that these companies are saving the government money. Without those jobs for unskilled workers, they'd be living 100% of the government, collecting billions more in hand outs.

You can't prove raising minimum wage lowers employment!

 

[LOki]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades.

No they haven't.... unless you're talking about those workers being underpaid to subsidize the wages of workers whose work is worth less than the statutory minimum... then we agree.

What is your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

Looks like an argument against the government picking up the tab for "...medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for [McDonald's] workers & dependents."

Why should McDonalds pay any worker more than what that worker's work is worth? Why should anyone be guaranteed "..medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc."

July 2015 to 2016 McDonalds will raise their wages up to poverty line dumping them off the government dole & I guarantee McDouble price does not shoot up like that from the raise in wages.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

 

[LOki]

McDonalds has been underpaying workers for decades. They pay the minimum & let government pick up the tab for medical, housing, food, education, transportation, etc for their workers & dependents. That created deficits creating inflation that has forced McDonald's to increase the price of their McDouble 50% in a few years. Underpaid workers cause inflation & taxation!

Well well. Look who showed up. All your buddies have been placed on the ignore list, because they couldn't make one single real argument.

Hope you can show them how to do it.

Prove that a teenager, flipping a burger over, is worth $15/hr?

How much would you pay someone to flip a burger over?

Anyone not paying workers at least $10 is stealing from me. Government is paying $24K to support workers & their families by taking it from the rest of us.

At least $10. What if customers are not willing to pay that much for a cheap burger? What if they stop going to that store, and it closes, and now they are all paid zero?

How much are you being stolen from, when the government is paying 100% for these unemployed people earning zero?

See my view is that these companies are saving the government money. Without those jobs for unskilled workers, they'd be living 100% of the government, collecting billions more in hand outs.

You can't prove raising minimum wage lowers employment!

Obviously no one can prove anything to anybody, but raising the statutory minimum wage above the work's worth causes unemployment in that work sector.

Statutory minimum wage cannot increase aggregate employment because it literally makes certain work/wage contracts illegal--it is compulsory unemployment.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

What is your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

 

[paulitician]

How do you explain hundreds of restaurants going out of business every year? Most pay their workers a preposterous $2.50-$3.00 an hour. Treat their workers like beaten down old dogs. If a restaurant business goes under, it's on the owners. It's not the workers' fault. You guys just need to move away from that 'It's always the Workers' fault' mentality. Your business fails, it's on you. No one else.

They pay the waitstaff like that because the waitstaff earn tips. Next.

Right, the customers pay them. The owners don't pay them shit. They pay them an absurd $2.50-$3.00 an hour. So why are so many of them going out of business? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Boo Hoo for them. Pay a worker $2.50-$3.00 an hour, and still go under? That's no one's fault but the business owner's. The workers aren't to blame. And personally, i think it's deplorable paying anyone $2.50-$3.00 an hour. I don't care if they get tips. No American should be treated that way.

It goes back to my original point, no business goes under because of paying workers Minimum Wage. They go under because they're poorly run. The business fails because the owner fails. Period, end of story.

Excuse me but a good waiter or bartender will be taking a pay cut if the MW goes to 15 an hour.
Why do you want to force people to work for less than they are now?

Says you. It's no fun making $2.50-$3.00 an hour on a slow night. But of course greedy hateful people like you don't give a shit. In my opinion, they should make Minimum Wage plus their tips. If a restaurant or bar can't handle that, than Boo Hoo for them. Time to close up shop.

 

[paulitician]

How do you explain hundreds of restaurants going out of business every year? Most pay their workers a preposterous $2.50-$3.00 an hour. Treat their workers like beaten down old dogs. If a restaurant business goes under, it's on the owners. It's not the workers' fault. You guys just need to move away from that 'It's always the Workers' fault' mentality. Your business fails, it's on you. No one else.

They pay the waitstaff like that because the waitstaff earn tips. Next.

Right, the customers pay them. The owners don't pay them shit. They pay them an absurd $2.50-$3.00 an hour. So why are so many of them going out of business? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Boo Hoo for them. Pay a worker $2.50-$3.00 an hour, and still go under? That's no one's fault but the business owner's. The workers aren't to blame. And personally, i think it's deplorable paying anyone $2.50-$3.00 an hour. I don't care if they get tips. No American should be treated that way.

It's the law, baby! Isn't that your standard?

It goes back to my original point, no business goes under because of paying workers Minimum Wage. They go under because they're poorly run. The business fails because the owner fails. Period, end of story.

You can push even a well-run business under if you raise its costs too high too fast. That's simply reality.

Too bad, life isn't fair. Don't wanna pay an American a decent wage, don't open a business. Or just do the work yourself.

 

[KissMy]

Loki - A higher minimum wage attracts new entrants to the workforce half the time these new entrants spik unemployment but half the time unemployment falls. Minimum wage raises percent of workforce employed & lowers government dependance, Inflation & Taxation. Look at Seattle with $15/hr-MW & they have the lowest unemployment rate. You only cherry pick data & post fake theory charts with no data to back them. Some areas have oil booms & other forces supporting jobs in low MW areas that you can cherry pick to support that narrative. I have been on here for years & NOBODY can prove the minimum wage causes unemployment!!!!!!!!!

 

[paulitician]

They pay the waitstaff like that because the waitstaff earn tips. Next.

Right, the customers pay them. The owners don't pay them shit. They pay them an absurd $2.50-$3.00 an hour. So why are so many of them going out of business? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Yes, dumb liberals want to raise wages until every American job goes to China and India. They lack the IQ to face reality so they simply pretend they can raise wages, at the point of a gun no less, and there will be no repercussions and everyone will live happily ever after.

They'll live happier than with the alternative you dumb hateful white Republican dudes are proposing. Which is, continue paying them like shit, Outsource their jobs whenever possible, and replace them with more Illegals for slave labor. Yeah, you guys have been real kind to American Workers. Real Saints.

You greedy fat asses aren't lookin out for fellow Americans. And the Workers know that. They're catching on. They're telling you hateful white Republican dudes to go fuck yourselves. And i say... RIGHT ON! Now they're gettin it.

I hate to tell you this, but you're just not going to succeed. They'll still be rich and you'll still be frustrated.

No one's saying they won't still be rich. But like i said, workers will be happier than with the pitiful alternative you greedy white Republican folks are offering em. Let's see... Pay em like shit, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace them with Illegals for slave labor? Yeah, doesn't sound very appealing. I think most are gonna go with a higher Minimum Wage. Can't blame em.

 

[hadit]

Right, the customers pay them. The owners don't pay them shit. They pay them an absurd $2.50-$3.00 an hour. So why are so many of them going out of business? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Yes, dumb liberals want to raise wages until every American job goes to China and India. They lack the IQ to face reality so they simply pretend they can raise wages, at the point of a gun no less, and there will be no repercussions and everyone will live happily ever after.

They'll live happier than with the alternative you dumb hateful white Republican dudes are proposing. Which is, continue paying them like shit, Outsource their jobs whenever possible, and replace them with more Illegals for slave labor. Yeah, you guys have been real kind to American Workers. Real Saints.

You greedy fat asses aren't lookin out for fellow Americans. And the Workers know that. They're catching on. They're telling you hateful white Republican dudes to go fuck yourselves. And i say... RIGHT ON! Now they're gettin it.

I hate to tell you this, but you're just not going to succeed. They'll still be rich and you'll still be frustrated.

No one's saying they won't still be rich. But like i said, workers will be happier than with the pitiful alternative you greedy white Republican folks are offering em. Let's see... Pay em like shit, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace them with Illegals for slave labor? Yeah, doesn't sound very appealing. I think most are gonna go with a higher Minimum Wage. Can't blame em.

Of course their greed will guide their actions. Here's reality, though. Make American labor too expensive and other countries are glad to provide workers for a fraction of the cost. And, when no one is running a business, where are the MW workers going to work?

 

[hadit]

Loki - A higher minimum wage attracts new entrants to the workforce half the time these new entrants spik unemployment but half the time unemployment falls. Minimum wage raises percent of workforce employed & lowers government dependance, Inflation & Taxation. Look at Seattle with $15/hr-MW & they have the lowest unemployment rate. You only cherry pick data & post fake theory charts with no data to back them. Some areas have oil booms & other forces supporting jobs in low MW areas that you can cherry pick to support that narrative. I have been on here for years & NOBODY can prove the minimum wage causes unemployment!!!!!!!!!

That's because it's always been low enough to not make too much of an immediate difference. As I've pointed out, however, more than 60% of American workers make less than $20/hr. Bump the MW to $15/hr, and over half the entire labor force will either get or demand a raise. Do you HONESTLY think that can be absorbed by the economy without ANY impact at all?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Just now, I saw another report about the topic of minimum wage increase. This one was on CNN, hosted by Julie Banderas. She was talking to Scott Gamm, of HelpSaveMyDollars.com, a financial website focused on helping consumers save and learn about money. They were talking about the recent 14-1 vote by the city of Los Angeles to raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2020.

Scott might be well versed on various aspects pertaining to consumer finances but, on the minimum wage raise, he is waaay off the mark. He said three things about the minimum wage raise topic. And he was WRONG on all three. Gamm merely recited the 3 most commonly heard (and programmed) descriptions about minimum wage raises.

1. He said it would cause jobs to be lost. FALSE! Employers function with a number of employees that bring them the most income/profit. They CANNOT reduce staff. Any more or less employees results in SALES and income reduction. Layoffs result in losses, not gains.

2. He (and Banderas too) said prices would be raised (or fees created) to compensate for the wage losses, and these losses would just be "passed on" to the customers. More FALSE! scare talk. Businesses CANNOT raise prices because they are already fixed at a market price, related to maximization of sales/income. Any change in price (up or down) results in reduction of SALES and income.

3. He said businesses will move away from LA. FALSE! (in most cases). Does Gamm think that closing down a business and moving to another location can be done scott (no pun intended) free ? Depending on the business, moving costs can vary from just barely economical, to completely UNeconomical, and the latter is much more often the case. Imagine a machine shop with over 100 large production machines, having to pack then all up and move miles away. Some businesses could do it. Not many.

So here's the real crux of all this. As in 1000 other media reports I've seen on minimum wage increases, the most important aspect of this is NEVER MENTIONED. Not a word. That is the increase in DISPOSABLE INCOME resulting in INCREASES SALES$$$. All businesses get this, and generally it far outweighs labor increases, since the number of wage raised consumers (not just those at the minimum wage) by far outnumbers any one employer's workers who are getting wage increases.

Then there's also the fact that many business, while receiving this big SALES boost, do NOT have any wage loss at all. These are businesses who are mom & pop and have no employees, those whose workers are all working just on sales commission (car lots, furniture, real estate, insurance, etc), and third, those with skilled workers (ex. machine shops) whose workers all already get well over $15 hour, or whatever the MW would be raised to.

I think back to when I owned a business. I paid my commission salespeople $350/hour (in 2015 dollars), and they still were only receiving 15% of the sale. In all, I made fine profits and expanded the business. Biggest downer ? All the people who called in and said > "Sorry. I can't afford it." Of course they can't. Not one somebody out there is paying them a low minimum wage. To be successful in business, you have a lot fo things to do. But you can't do anything, if the public around you doesn't have money in their pockets to buy what you're trying to sell.

This is why Conservatives who support raising the MW nationwide, outnumber Conservatives who don't, 54% to 44%.

$15/hour is a gift. If we paid what Europe and Australia pay it'd be a helluva lot more than $15.

 

[KissMy]

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Yes, dumb liberals want to raise wages until every American job goes to China and India. They lack the IQ to face reality so they simply pretend they can raise wages, at the point of a gun no less, and there will be no repercussions and everyone will live happily ever after.

They'll live happier than with the alternative you dumb hateful white Republican dudes are proposing. Which is, continue paying them like shit, Outsource their jobs whenever possible, and replace them with more Illegals for slave labor. Yeah, you guys have been real kind to American Workers. Real Saints.

You greedy fat asses aren't lookin out for fellow Americans. And the Workers know that. They're catching on. They're telling you hateful white Republican dudes to go fuck yourselves. And i say... RIGHT ON! Now they're gettin it.

I hate to tell you this, but you're just not going to succeed. They'll still be rich and you'll still be frustrated.

No one's saying they won't still be rich. But like i said, workers will be happier than with the pitiful alternative you greedy white Republican folks are offering em. Let's see... Pay em like shit, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace them with Illegals for slave labor? Yeah, doesn't sound very appealing. I think most are gonna go with a higher Minimum Wage. Can't blame em.

Of course their greed will guide their actions. Here's reality, though. Make American labor too expensive and other countries are glad to provide workers for a fraction of the cost. And, when no one is running a business, where are the MW workers going to work?

You keep regurgitating the same tired lies. Restaurants, Retailers, Produce Picking, etc Jobs are the ones paying lower than government poverty support level wages. Those jobs can't be outsourced. Minimum wage decreases inflation & increases employment.

 

[hadit]

Yes, dumb liberals want to raise wages until every American job goes to China and India. They lack the IQ to face reality so they simply pretend they can raise wages, at the point of a gun no less, and there will be no repercussions and everyone will live happily ever after.

They'll live happier than with the alternative you dumb hateful white Republican dudes are proposing. Which is, continue paying them like shit, Outsource their jobs whenever possible, and replace them with more Illegals for slave labor. Yeah, you guys have been real kind to American Workers. Real Saints.

You greedy fat asses aren't lookin out for fellow Americans. And the Workers know that. They're catching on. They're telling you hateful white Republican dudes to go fuck yourselves. And i say... RIGHT ON! Now they're gettin it.

I hate to tell you this, but you're just not going to succeed. They'll still be rich and you'll still be frustrated.

No one's saying they won't still be rich. But like i said, workers will be happier than with the pitiful alternative you greedy white Republican folks are offering em. Let's see... Pay em like shit, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace them with Illegals for slave labor? Yeah, doesn't sound very appealing. I think most are gonna go with a higher Minimum Wage. Can't blame em.

Of course their greed will guide their actions. Here's reality, though. Make American labor too expensive and other countries are glad to provide workers for a fraction of the cost. And, when no one is running a business, where are the MW workers going to work?

You keep regurgitating the same tired lies. Restaurants, Retailers, Produce Picking, etc Jobs are the ones paying lower than government poverty support level wages. Those jobs can't be outsourced. Minimum wage decreases inflation & increases employment.

But they can be automated. Remember all the wailing about auto manufacturing jobs being outsourced? That was only partially true. Many assembly line jobs are done now by robots. Ever notice that cluster of self-serve check-out kiosks in the supermarket? They will replace cashiers. There are very few jobs that can't be replaced by automation. The primary obstacle is cost. Raise the cost of human labor high enough, and automation will replace them.

 

[LOki]

Loki - A higher minimum wage attracts new entrants to the workforce...

No. It outlaws wage contracts. Period.

Minimum wage raises percent of workforce employed & lowers government dependance,...

WRONG!

Let's assume we are just talking about someonewho really wants to work, and not some glue-huffing retard who thinks his dedication to wearing black fingernail polish, rather than work is merit enough for a rock star's paycheck. Lets also say that "welfare" pays the equvalent of $6.50/hr. What minimum wage says is that even if this guy who wants to work, wanted to work for $7.00/hr, it would be a crime to do so. That despite the agreement between him and the employer that the job is worth $7.00/hr, the government rolls in and declares (in the name of social justice) that this worker's efforts are worth nothing--so much so in fact, that they are willing to pay him $6.50/hr to do nothing! Not only does this guy get less than he could earn, we don't even get the benefit of his services--the job is not being done, or if it is, it's being done by some poor schlep who's desperately trying hard enough to merit his $15k/year job so he doesn't have to be a $11k/year welfare recipient himself--or, this work being done by someone, like you perhaps, who is getting paid well in excess of the minimum wage because your effort merits it, but now your productivity suffers because you are scrubbing the men's room urinals instead of the actual job you were hired for. Then you wonder why you get no raise despite the fact that you're doing both your job and that of the janitor.

...& lowers ... Inflation & Taxation.

WRONG!

Artificially devaluing the rewards for productive capacity (by artificially making $1.00/hr worth of work pay any amount more, say $15.00/hr, for instance) requires more money to be printed because buyers and sellers still know what shit is worth regardless of what the government says about the dollars. Printing more money, without also increasing productivity must lead inevitably to inflation. It does so because there is just more money around--printing new money is not the same thing as creating new wealth.

Introducing all that new money into the economy will not make every citizen more wealthy--they will just have more money. Having more money is of little consolation when it takes twice your daily wages to get a day's worth of food.

Look at Seattle with $15/hr-MW & they have the lowest unemployment rate.

Work taken from employers paying a lower statutory minimum for work that is not worth that wage either. Way to make your point, Cupcake.

You only cherry pick data ...

Like cherry picking ONLY Seattle to prove your dumb point? Like that, Pumpkin?

...& post fake theory charts with no data to back them.

There's NOTHING fake about anything I've posted. If you bothered to crack an economics book to inform your bullshit opinion--rather than base it entirely on your emotions--you'd recognize the well established economic principles illustrated.

Some areas have oil booms & other forces supporting jobs in low MW areas that you can cherry pick to support that narrative.

Like cherry picking ONLY Seattle to support your dumb narrative? Like that, Pumpkin?

I have been on here for years & NOBODY can prove the minimum wage causes unemployment!!!!!!!!!

Of course not, Pumpkin. Nobody can prove anything to anybody.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

 

[LOki]

Right, the customers pay them. The owners don't pay them shit. They pay them an absurd $2.50-$3.00 an hour. So why are so many of them going out of business? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

That's easy. They're going out of business because it's incredibly hard to run a successful restaurant. They typically make about a 3% profit, if they're profitable at all, and many don't see a profit for years. Now you want to slap them with a massive increase in labor costs and don't expect anything to change. Dumb.

Yes, dumb liberals want to raise wages until every American job goes to China and India. They lack the IQ to face reality so they simply pretend they can raise wages, at the point of a gun no less, and there will be no repercussions and everyone will live happily ever after.

They'll live happier than with the alternative you dumb hateful white Republican dudes are proposing. Which is, continue paying them like shit, Outsource their jobs whenever possible, and replace them with more Illegals for slave labor. Yeah, you guys have been real kind to American Workers. Real Saints.

You greedy fat asses aren't lookin out for fellow Americans. And the Workers know that. They're catching on. They're telling you hateful white Republican dudes to go fuck yourselves. And i say... RIGHT ON! Now they're gettin it.

I hate to tell you this, but you're just not going to succeed. They'll still be rich and you'll still be frustrated.

No one's saying they won't still be rich. But like i said, workers will be happier than with the pitiful alternative you greedy white Republican folks are offering em. Let's see... Pay em like shit, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace them with Illegals for slave labor? Yeah, doesn't sound very appealing. I think most are gonna go with a higher Minimum Wage. Can't blame em.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU (and/or YOUR proxy) decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?