Michigan Stealing the Election for Biden

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So if Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un or the Ayatollah drop a kid while here visiting California, good news for them, the Democrats will gladly taken the kid as candidate for next US President.
You are seriously some kind of idiot. All 3 people that you just listed are MALE. Males cannot "drop a kid while here", as males are not able to birth children.

However.........................if either one of those 3 came here to America, had sex with a woman who became pregnant and had a child in this country, then yes, that child would be a US citizen.

As far as that child eventually becoming a presidential candidate? Well, with the current way that we check into the background of those who wish to run, I'm guessing they would have about the same chance of the tissue paper dog catching the asbestos cat in a firey chase through hell. Finding out that the candidates father was one of the 3 you mentioned would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances.
Not if they have diplomatic immunity.....

Which they do when visiting America.....

children born on American soil to any foreign diplomat are NOT American citizens...

Because they are not under our jurisdiction.
Okay, so explain to me how a male is capable of coming to this country and "dropping a child". Sorry, but if you are male, you cannot "drop a child", as it is impossible for a male to give birth to a child.

Also, so what if a foreign diplomat got the mother pregnant? Chances are, she's a citizen, and even if not, the child is still a citizen. In order for your scenario to be correct, the child must be born to foreign diplomats on U.S. soil, but even so, they would be considered dual citizens, and would stay that way until they reached the age of majority and had to choose which country they wanted to be citizens of.
 

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Anyone else find it hilarious that A Gay Biker Sailor supports shit like this....



Then wants to argue semantics?

toobfreak, it’s obvious what you meant.

AGBS is just a cocksucker.
 
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At least you're being positive to believe it will be close enough for those votes to matter.

Hillary had to fight the hate factor that Donnie is fighting now.
It will be a landslide on election day. THEN the Democrats go to work
 

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So if Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un or the Ayatollah drop a kid while here visiting California, good news for them, the Democrats will gladly taken the kid as candidate for next US President.
You are seriously some kind of idiot. All 3 people that you just listed are MALE. Males cannot "drop a kid while here", as males are not able to birth children.

However.........................if either one of those 3 came here to America, had sex with a woman who became pregnant and had a child in this country, then yes, that child would be a US citizen.

As far as that child eventually becoming a presidential candidate? Well, with the current way that we check into the background of those who wish to run, I'm guessing they would have about the same chance of the tissue paper dog catching the asbestos cat in a firey chase through hell. Finding out that the candidates father was one of the 3 you mentioned would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances.
Not if they have diplomatic immunity.....

Which they do when visiting America.....

children born on American soil to any foreign diplomat are NOT American citizens...

Because they are not under our jurisdiction.
Okay, so explain to me how a male is capable of coming to this country and "dropping a child". Sorry, but if you are male, you cannot "drop a child", as it is impossible for a male to give birth to a child.

Also, so what if a foreign diplomat got the mother pregnant? Chances are, she's a citizen, and even if not, the child is still a citizen. In order for your scenario to be correct, the child must be born to foreign diplomats on U.S. soil, but even so, they would be considered dual citizens, and would stay that way until they reached the age of majority and had to choose which country they wanted to be citizens of.
No they are not citizens if born to a diplomat on our soil. Read the Constitution on this.... anyone who has diplomatic immunity in our nation, is not subject to our laws.

In order to be a citizen at birth, they have to be subject to our laws, under our jurisdiction.... an illegal immigrant is subject to our laws when on our soil, same with legal immigrants, they answer to our laws, can be charged with crimes, can be brought to trial in our courts.

A foreign Diplomat who is here on our soil with diplomatic immunity, does not answer to our laws, is not under our jurisdiction, therefore their children born here, are not US Citizens at birth... not even automatic duel citizenship is given to their child born here....is my understanding of the 14th Amendment?

If they knock up an American citizen, that could be different, but I'm not certain.


Foreign diplomats enjoy certain immunities under international law. The spouse and child of a diplomat generally enjoy similar immunities. Children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
 
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Michigan won't be close. Biden is going to crush an orange in the state election night.
We'll see. No one ever accused Michigan of having brains, after all, they have Detroit.

BTW Kamala Harris' is a naturalized US Citizen.
That's not a natural born citizen as required by the constitution. Her parents weren't Americans.
I could bring my uncle Fester over from the Old Country and get him naturalized.
If Harris was born in the U.S. she is eligible to be president it's just that simple.
That doesn't make it right. So if Xi Jingpeng has a kid here, raises him here but loyal to China, it's OK in your mind he be president too?
 

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Michigan won't be close. Biden is going to crush an orange in the state election night.
We'll see. No one ever accused Michigan of having brains, after all, they have Detroit.

BTW Kamala Harris' is a naturalized US Citizen.
That's not a natural born citizen as required by the constitution. Her parents weren't Americans.
I could bring my uncle Fester over from the Old Country and get him naturalized.
If Harris was born in the U.S. she is eligible to be president it's just that simple.
That doesn't make it right. So if Xi Jingpeng has a kid here, raises him here but loyal to China, it's OK in your mind he be president too?
ok we must change the laws I hate it but that is the law.
 

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Michigan won't be close. Biden is going to crush an orange in the state election night.
We'll see. No one ever accused Michigan of having brains, after all, they have Detroit.

BTW Kamala Harris' is a naturalized US Citizen.
That's not a natural born citizen as required by the constitution. Her parents weren't Americans.
I could bring my uncle Fester over from the Old Country and get him naturalized.
If Harris was born in the U.S. she is eligible to be president it's just that simple.
You're right. It is just that simple.
Oh is it? Is that why it takes Wiki 20,000 words just to superficially broach the subject? Is that why the matter has been hotly debated with conflicting views back and forth for hundreds of years? Experts agree that the Constitution itself does not SPELL OUT exactly what the Founders meant or expected in their own context at that time, the Supreme Court has never addressed the subject regarding any particular candidate and experts agree that the matter may be UNSOLVABLE, forever in judicial dispute. One constitutional scholar asked that in regards to Kamela Harris: if Harris's parents were U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents at the time of her birth or if they were temporary visitors, perhaps on student visas. He then stated that if they were temporary visitors, then "under the 14th Amendment as originally understood", she would not be considered a natural-born citizen.


CLEARLY, the Founders intended MORE than mere place of birth, but that the person was born here of sufficient age and conditions (parentage) that the candidate would be raised both LOVING and LOYAL to the USA to faithfully and vigorously uphold and defend the tenets of the United States and her sovereignty.

You really think Kamela Harris is that person???
 
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So if Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un or the Ayatollah drop a kid while here visiting California, good news for them, the Democrats will gladly taken the kid as candidate for next US President.
You are seriously some kind of idiot. All 3 people that you just listed are MALE. Males cannot "drop a kid while here", as males are not able to birth children.

However.........................if either one of those 3 came here to America, had sex with a woman who became pregnant and had a child in this country, then yes, that child would be a US citizen.

As far as that child eventually becoming a presidential candidate? Well, with the current way that we check into the background of those who wish to run, I'm guessing they would have about the same chance of the tissue paper dog catching the asbestos cat in a firey chase through hell. Finding out that the candidates father was one of the 3 you mentioned would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances.
Not if they have diplomatic immunity.....

Which they do when visiting America.....

children born on American soil to any foreign diplomat are NOT American citizens...

Because they are not under our jurisdiction.
Last I heard, Harris was eligible to serve in Jamaica's government. Maybe Harris can hop from country to country serving here and there! Hell, let's just do what the Left loves to do: tear down all borders, all laws, nothing means anything any more! If it feels good, JUST DO IT!
 

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Because they are not under our jurisdiction.
Okay, so explain to me how a male is capable of coming to this country and "dropping a child". Sorry, but if you are male, you cannot "drop a child", as it is impossible for a male to give birth to a child.
Oh Jesus, not this bull again! What are you, simpleminded? Guys don't have kids, they only "drop" kids as a figure of speech being ONE OF THE PARENTS. Damn are tards stupid.
 

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So if Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un or the Ayatollah drop a kid while here visiting California, good news for them, the Democrats will gladly taken the kid as candidate for next US President.
You are seriously some kind of idiot. All 3 people that you just listed are MALE. Males cannot "drop a kid while here", as males are not able to birth children.

However.........................if either one of those 3 came here to America, had sex with a woman who became pregnant and had a child in this country, then yes, that child would be a US citizen.

As far as that child eventually becoming a presidential candidate? Well, with the current way that we check into the background of those who wish to run, I'm guessing they would have about the same chance of the tissue paper dog catching the asbestos cat in a firey chase through hell. Finding out that the candidates father was one of the 3 you mentioned would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances.
Not if they have diplomatic immunity.....

Which they do when visiting America.....

children born on American soil to any foreign diplomat are NOT American citizens...

Because they are not under our jurisdiction.
Okay, so explain to me how a male is capable of coming to this country and "dropping a child". Sorry, but if you are male, you cannot "drop a child", as it is impossible for a male to give birth to a child.

Also, so what if a foreign diplomat got the mother pregnant? Chances are, she's a citizen, and even if not, the child is still a citizen. In order for your scenario to be correct, the child must be born to foreign diplomats on U.S. soil, but even so, they would be considered dual citizens, and would stay that way until they reached the age of majority and had to choose which country they wanted to be citizens of.
No they are not citizens if born to a diplomat on our soil. Read the Constitution on this.... anyone who has diplomatic immunity in our nation, is not subject to our laws.

In order to be a citizen at birth, they have to be subject to our laws, under our jurisdiction.... an illegal immigrant is subject to our laws when on our soil, same with legal immigrants, they answer to our laws, can be charged with crimes, can be brought to trial in our courts.

A foreign Diplomat who is here on our soil with diplomatic immunity, does not answer to our laws, is not under our jurisdiction, therefore their children born here, are not US Citizens at birth... not even automatic duel citizenship is given to their child born here....is my understanding of the 14th Amendment?

If they knock up an American citizen, that could be different, but I'm not certain.

Generally, historically, they always went by the status of the FATHER.
 

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Michigan won't be close. Biden is going to crush an orange in the state election night.
We'll see. No one ever accused Michigan of having brains, after all, they have Detroit.

BTW Kamala Harris' is a naturalized US Citizen.
That's not a natural born citizen as required by the constitution. Her parents weren't Americans.
I could bring my uncle Fester over from the Old Country and get him naturalized.
If Harris was born in the U.S. she is eligible to be president it's just that simple.
You're right. It is just that simple.
Oh is it? Is that why it takes Wiki 20,000 words just to superficially broach the subject? Is that why the matter has been hotly debated with conflicting views back and forth for hundreds of years? Experts agree that the Constitution itself does not SPELL OUT exactly what the Founders meant or expected in their own context at that time, the Supreme Court has never addressed the subject regarding any particular candidate and experts agree that the matter may be UNSOLVABLE, forever in judicial dispute. One constitutional scholar asked that in regards to Kamela Harris: if Harris's parents were U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents at the time of her birth or if they were temporary visitors, perhaps on student visas. He then stated that if they were temporary visitors, then "under the 14th Amendment as originally understood", she would not be considered a natural-born citizen.


CLEARLY, the Founders intended MORE than mere place of birth, but that the person was born here of sufficient age and conditions (parentage) that the candidate would be raised both LOVING and LOYAL to the USA to faithfully and vigorously uphold and defend the tenets of the United States and her sovereignty.

You really think Kamela Harris is that person???
Yes, she is a citizen. Her parents did not have the specific, Diplomatic Immunity...which the Constitution gave exception to natural born citizenship.

If her parents were here, and subject to our laws...subjects of the jurisdiction of the State, which her parents were....then she too was subject to our laws when born....she and her parents are not covered under diplomatic immunity, which makes her, a natural born citizen...is how the law and constitution on this topic has been interpreted by the Supreme Court.


United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), was a landmark decision[4] of the US Supreme Court ruling that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China",[5] automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth.[6] This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.[7]


Wong Kim Ark, who was born in San Francisco in 1873, had been denied re-entry to the United States after a trip abroad, under a law restricting Chinese immigration and prohibiting immigrants from China from becoming naturalized U.S. citizens. He challenged the government's refusal to recognize his citizenship, and the Supreme Court ruled in his favor, holding that the citizenship language in the Fourteenth Amendment encompassed the circumstances of his birth and could not be limited in its effect by an act of Congress.[8]
 

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Saying that Harris isn't eligible to serve because of her parents, even though she was born in the USA, is almost as stupid as saying that Obama was born in Kenya.
 

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That doesn't make it right. So if Xi Jingpeng has a kid here, raises him here but loyal to China, it's OK in your mind he be president too?
If Xi did come here, had a kid, and raised them to be loyal to China, that would be found out, and it would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances for being elected.
 

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That doesn't make it right. So if Xi Jingpeng has a kid here, raises him here but loyal to China, it's OK in your mind he be president too?
If Xi did come here, had a kid, and raised them to be loyal to China, that would be found out, and it would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances for being elected.
Why, because YOU say so? That's called a RATIONALIZATION, bonehead, it is a FALLACY designed to circumvent inconvenient facts. The fact is Harris IS eligible to serve in Jamaica''s government so she cannot be fully under the jurisdiction of the USA, she was raised by two FOREIGNERS, neither were US citizens, one was Hindu, the other Jamaican, and she was brought up in Berkeley under the auspices and beliefs of her parents, which are readily evident in her beliefs as an adult.

She is NOT a natural born American according to strict definition, and I consider her a travesty of American sovereignty to have her in the Senate much less run for VP, and potentially POTUS. She would be yet another CONTROVERSIAL and potentially illegitimate person holding some of the highest offices in the land picked by the Democrats in just eight years, apparently the Democrats can't find any real Americans without questionable background to their liking, the closest they've come since Bill Clinton the rapist and criminal was to pick his wife Hillary, an even bigger criminal whose only real qualification to hold numerous high government positions was to be married to a former president.
 

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That doesn't make it right. So if Xi Jingpeng has a kid here, raises him here but loyal to China, it's OK in your mind he be president too?
If Xi did come here, had a kid, and raised them to be loyal to China, that would be found out, and it would make a hell of an attack ad that would tank their chances for being elected.
Why, because YOU say so? That's called a RATIONALIZATION, bonehead, it is a FALLACY designed to circumvent inconvenient facts. The fact is Harris IS eligible to serve in Jamaica''s government so she cannot be fully under the jurisdiction of the USA, she was raised by two FOREIGNERS, neither were US citizens, one was Hindu, the other Jamaican, and she was brought up in Berkeley under the auspices and beliefs of her parents, which are readily evident in her beliefs as an adult.

She is NOT a natural born American according to strict definition, and I consider her a travesty of American sovereignty to have her in the Senate much less run for VP, and potentially POTUS. She would be yet another CONTROVERSIAL and potentially illegitimate person holding some of the highest offices in the land picked by the Democrats in just eight years, apparently the Democrats can't find any real Americans without questionable background to their liking, the closest they've come since Bill Clinton the rapist and criminal was to pick his wife Hillary, an even bigger criminal whose only real qualification to hold numerous high government positions was to be married to a former president.
She's not natural born American according to WHOSE strict definition? Yours? Sorry, but according to the laws of this country, since she was born here, she is a citizen. You conservatives are continually bitching about the "anchor babies" who are citizens born to foreign parents, and the reason you bitch, is because they are natural born citizens, and a lot of conservatives think that is wrong.

So.................tell me..................what qualifications is she missing to be a natural born citizen? She was born here, what else does she need to qualify according to you?
 

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according to the laws of this country, since she was born here, she is a citizen.
Right. She was born here. She is a citizen. A citizen whose parents were foreigners and NOT citizens, and she is eligible to serve in the government of Jamaica.

Now, if that misshapen lump of fat you call a brain thinks that would qualifier her as a full NATURAL BORN citizen eligible to hold the highest office in our land according to the desires and mandates of our Founders that if Thomas Jefferson were here NOW, he'd say SURE, WHY NOT, to Kamela Harris, then you're an even bigger idiot and liar than I previously thought.


"According to the laws of our land," I see you not only haven't studied the convoluted zig-zag battle history of the 200 year fight over defining "natural born," but I guess since you support blindly whatever laws are in effect at a given time that back in the 1950s when it was the law of the land that Negros sit in the back of the bus, use different bathrooms and drink out of different fountains, that you were in support of that too!
 

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None of this is law, but it doesnt matter to the Democrats. They have an election to steal.

"If the ruling stands, it should help ensure every Michigan ballot is counted, but also increase the likelihood that results might not be known on Election Day, or soon after. Under Stephens' ruling, late-arriving mail-in ballots could still be counted until results must be certified, 14 days after the election. Currently, only ballots that arrive before the polls close on Election Day are counted."

You don't want votes counted. Every vote should be counted and 2 weeks is a reasonable time for ballots to arrive given Trump's attempt to slow down the mail. Republicans are trying to steal the election.
 

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Michigan won't be close. Biden is going to crush an orange in the state election night.
We'll see. No one ever accused Michigan of having brains, after all, they have Detroit.

BTW Kamala Harris' is a naturalized US Citizen.
That's not a natural born citizen as required by the constitution. Her parents weren't Americans.
I could bring my uncle Fester over from the Old Country and get him naturalized.
If Harris was born in the U.S. she is eligible to be president it's just that simple.
You're right. It is just that simple.
Oh is it? Is that why it takes Wiki 20,000 words just to superficially broach the subject? Is that why the matter has been hotly debated with conflicting views back and forth for hundreds of years? Experts agree that the Constitution itself does not SPELL OUT exactly what the Founders meant or expected in their own context at that time, the Supreme Court has never addressed the subject regarding any particular candidate and experts agree that the matter may be UNSOLVABLE, forever in judicial dispute. One constitutional scholar asked that in regards to Kamela Harris: if Harris's parents were U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents at the time of her birth or if they were temporary visitors, perhaps on student visas. He then stated that if they were temporary visitors, then "under the 14th Amendment as originally understood", she would not be considered a natural-born citizen.


CLEARLY, the Founders intended MORE than mere place of birth, but that the person was born here of sufficient age and conditions (parentage) that the candidate would be raised both LOVING and LOYAL to the USA to faithfully and vigorously uphold and defend the tenets of the United States and her sovereignty.

You really think Kamela Harris is that person???
Kamala Harris is a citizen. End of argument. The 14th Amendment is written in plain English and you don't have to be a lawyer to understand it.
 

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