Michelle Obama: 'It Is Our Responsibility As a Nation' to Remember the Slaves

[LogikAndReazon]

When will the reparations cease ???

 

[ClosedCaption]

White feudal serfs in Europe were far worse off than black slaves in America for much, much longer and in much, much greater numbers.

The great depression happened so ppl shouldn't mention hunger because...uh...

Again, a poor analogy.

Hunger is an issue during prosperous times as well as depressing economies. It is an ongoing issue.

Slavery of black Americans no longer exists.

However, as I said in my first comment in this thread, I see nothing wrong with the first lady discussing it with children learning about the EP.

It warrants no defense. I applaud her as a first lady. She is doing an outstanding job despite the two things against her.....her husbands ineptness and the fact that many on the right hate her.

But if you wish to defend it....use analogies that work.

Do you know that analogies are not meant to be compared on every level but only on the ways that make them similar? ...Nevermind

 

[PredFan]

Remember tha...OMG! She's right!
I forgot the slaves!
Let me go feed them and give them their work assignments right now!

Thanks michelle!

 

[Circe]

When will the reparations cease ???

I think it would be very fair to give them reparations in this form: free ocean passage BACK across the Middle Passage, to the Gold Coast or Liberia, that's where most of them came from. Maybe a small stake, equivalent to perhaps 40 acres and a mule, to get started with again in Africa. Totally fair. Anything they'd worked up here, money, they could take along. No reimigration, of course.

We could use those cruise ships that are having so many problems: it would be a good use for a couple of them. I very much doubt we'd need more than one ship for a trip or two, however. Blacks complain and complain, but they don't really want to leave the support system they have here given to them free by the dominant culture. They could not match it in Africa, so they won't go back.

 

[NLT]

Yes, slavery was 150 years ago. It should not be mentioned

But we should allow founding fathers opinions from 235 years ago determine our agenda

With all due respect, what a bullshit point. Slavery can and should be talked about in a true historical context. But the American Black slave experience is not unique; I'm not dismissing it, but it is not unique.

I'd prefer to see slavery discussed in the here and now and discuss how we can eradicate it from the face of the planet. But that won't happen in America because slavery in America = racism. That's what is taught in school and it's a fallacy.

Yet race never had anything to do with slavery. Slavery was based on labor needs.

Slavery goes back thousands of years. Slavery exists today. And sadly slavery will exist for centuries to come.

Should the existence of slavery from the past, present and future prevent us from utilizing and embracing the great teachings of men of history from centuries past?

Should we ignore the teachings of great philosophers such as Plato or Aristotle because slavery existed in their day?

Should we dismiss the Magna Carta?

I think not. I could list a thousand more examples but I'm only on my second coffee.

What a total load of bullshit
The American Black slave experience was not unique? Are you ******* nuts? Indentured servitude was not slavery and it was voluntary. Black slaves were captured against their will and treated as animals. Not only them but all succeeding generations. What is not unique about that?

Race had nothing to do with slavery? They were treated like animals and considered lesser human beings up until the 1960s. Race had nothing to do with it?

You dont know what you are talking about. Serfdom in the Middle ages was not was not voluntary.

The word "serf" originated from the Middle French serf, and can be traced further back to the Latin servus ("slave"). In Late Antiquity and most of the Middle Ages, what we now call serfs were usually designated in Latin as coloni. As slavery gradually disappeared and the legal status of servi became nearly identical to that of the coloni, the term changed meaning into our modern concept of "serf". "Serfdom" was coined in 1850.

 

[Jarhead]

The great depression happened so ppl shouldn't mention hunger because...uh...

Again, a poor analogy.

Hunger is an issue during prosperous times as well as depressing economies. It is an ongoing issue.

Slavery of black Americans no longer exists.

However, as I said in my first comment in this thread, I see nothing wrong with the first lady discussing it with children learning about the EP.

It warrants no defense. I applaud her as a first lady. She is doing an outstanding job despite the two things against her.....her husbands ineptness and the fact that many on the right hate her.

But if you wish to defend it....use analogies that work.

Do you know that analogies are not meant to be compared on every level but only on the ways that make them similar? ...Nevermind

When used in a debate...which is what this board is for....an analogy is supposed to display a strong similarity to the issue at hand...otherwise it does nothing but deflect from the topic itself.

Now, in the case of "hunger", that analogy was used by you to show how silly it is to criticize Michelle for bringing up slavery even though slavery was no longer an American Issue. And as you saw, whereas I agree with you in regard to the topic, your analogy was full of holes and in no way defended your (our) position.

Perhpas if you said...

We are no longer at war with the British, so why do we teach our children about the revolutionary war?.....now THAT is a solid analogy....yes some holkes....but the holes would be quickly filled....

Such as ..."well, the american revolution is part of our history"...and I can respond with "so is American Slavery.

Maybe you should give me a little more credit and spend less time criticizing my intelligence.

 

[rightwinger]

With all due respect, what a bullshit point. Slavery can and should be talked about in a true historical context. But the American Black slave experience is not unique; I'm not dismissing it, but it is not unique.

I'd prefer to see slavery discussed in the here and now and discuss how we can eradicate it from the face of the planet. But that won't happen in America because slavery in America = racism. That's what is taught in school and it's a fallacy.

Yet race never had anything to do with slavery. Slavery was based on labor needs.

Slavery goes back thousands of years. Slavery exists today. And sadly slavery will exist for centuries to come.

Should the existence of slavery from the past, present and future prevent us from utilizing and embracing the great teachings of men of history from centuries past?

Should we ignore the teachings of great philosophers such as Plato or Aristotle because slavery existed in their day?

Should we dismiss the Magna Carta?

I think not. I could list a thousand more examples but I'm only on my second coffee.

What a total load of bullshit
The American Black slave experience was not unique? Are you ******* nuts? Indentured servitude was not slavery and it was voluntary. Black slaves were captured against their will and treated as animals. Not only them but all succeeding generations. What is not unique about that?

Race had nothing to do with slavery? They were treated like animals and considered lesser human beings up until the 1960s. Race had nothing to do with it?

You dont know what you are talking about. Serfdom in the Middle ages was not was not voluntary.

The word "serf" originated from the Middle French serf, and can be traced further back to the Latin servus ("slave"). In Late Antiquity and most of the Middle Ages, what we now call serfs were usually designated in Latin as coloni. As slavery gradually disappeared and the legal status of servi became nearly identical to that of the coloni, the term changed meaning into our modern concept of "serf". "Serfdom" was coined in 1850.

Where in Michelle Obama's speech did she bring up the Middle Ages?

I thought she was talking US History? Does the term America confuse you?

 

[NLT]

What a total load of bullshit
The American Black slave experience was not unique? Are you ******* nuts? Indentured servitude was not slavery and it was voluntary. Black slaves were captured against their will and treated as animals. Not only them but all succeeding generations. What is not unique about that?

Race had nothing to do with slavery? They were treated like animals and considered lesser human beings up until the 1960s. Race had nothing to do with it?

You dont know what you are talking about. Serfdom in the Middle ages was not was not voluntary.

The word "serf" originated from the Middle French serf, and can be traced further back to the Latin servus ("slave"). In Late Antiquity and most of the Middle Ages, what we now call serfs were usually designated in Latin as coloni. As slavery gradually disappeared and the legal status of servi became nearly identical to that of the coloni, the term changed meaning into our modern concept of "serf". "Serfdom" was coined in 1850.

Where in Michelle Obama's speech did she bring up the Middle Ages?

I thought she was talking US History?

Doofus, your attempt to qualify The African American Slave experience as unique is FBS. Learn some history.

 

[Circe]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, except that they've figured out they can guilt some whites.

Blacks are STILL widely enslaved, all over the Arab world: you can read about it anywhere. Classic black slavery, children and women captured from villages.

And then there is sex slavery, which is practiced everywhere, white, black, yellow, brown, billions of women and small children bought and sold constantly, smuggled, forced, tortured, controlled, pimped out.

There is slavery going on everywhere. I'd say quit letting these ungrateful blacks guilt anyone. If they don't like America, for goodness sake pay for their ticket back to Malarialand! They can enjoy life there in the jungle or desert without services of any kind until they die of AIDS, like so many in Africa do.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Sorry folks....see nothing wrong with it. The children were learning about the Emancipation Proclamation. Should she have mentioned something else.....like the removal of badmitton from the Olympics?

Give it a rest. She is doing a dam good job despite her husband being completely out of his league.

She's doing a good job? Can you cite some examples?

Well?

Jarhead?

 

[rightwinger]

You dont know what you are talking about. Serfdom in the Middle ages was not was not voluntary.

Where in Michelle Obama's speech did she bring up the Middle Ages?

I thought she was talking US History?

Doofus, your attempt to qualify The African American Slave experience as unique is FBS. Learn some history.

Well since we are talking history lets discuss Europe in the mid 1800s and how they had outlawed slavery. The US was alone among "civilized" nations in that it not only defended slavery but had states fight to the death to preserve it

 

[Jarhead]

Sorry folks....see nothing wrong with it. The children were learning about the Emancipation Proclamation. Should she have mentioned something else.....like the removal of badmitton from the Olympics?

Give it a rest. She is doing a dam good job despite her husband being completely out of his league.

She's doing a good job? Can you cite some examples?

Well?

Jarhead?

She has successfully endeared the hearts of many despite the far right criticizing every move she makes...not to mention having to be associated with a man who is way out of his league.

 

[Jarhead]

I love Republicans! They just keep right on proving what stupid ******* haters they really are.

the irony of your post is humorous.

 

[J.E.D]

Yes, slavery was 150 years ago. It should not be mentioned

But we should allow founding fathers opinions from 235 years ago determine our agenda

Don't be silly. It's okay to talk about slavery if you are a Republican beating your chest about Abraham Lincoln freeing the slaves.

Or if you mention it in the context of the North taking away the South's freedom to use slave labor.

 

[NLT]

Where in Michelle Obama's speech did she bring up the Middle Ages?

I thought she was talking US History?

Doofus, your attempt to qualify The African American Slave experience as unique is FBS. Learn some history.

Well since we are talking history lets discuss Europe in the mid 1800s and how they had outlawed slavery. The US was alone among "civilized" nations in that it not only defended slavery but had states fight to the death to preserve it

Wrong. The civil war was not just about slavery, it was about states vs federal rights.
How many of the countrys below that abolished slavery after the US did in 1865, are not civilized. Keep swinging and missing RW


1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[46]
1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[47]
1869 (February, 27th) – Portugal: King Louis signs a decree of the government, chaired by the Marquis Sá da Bandeira, abolishing slavery in all Portuguese territories.
1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[48]
1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico
1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade[33]
1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[49]
1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[50]
1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.
1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[17]
1888: May, 13th Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[51]
1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast
1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[52]
1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[53] following its becoming a British protectorate
1899: France abolishes slavery in Ndzuwani
1900–present [edit]1902: Ethiopian Empire abolishes slavery (though it was not legally and officially abolished by Emperor Haile Selassie until 1942).
1904: Slavery abolished in Ngazidja.
1906: China formally abolishes slavery effective 31 January 1910, when all adult slaves were converted into hired labourers and the young were freed upon reaching age 25.[14]
1912: Siam (Thailand), formally abolishes all slavery. The act of selling a person into slavery was abolished in 1897 but slavery itself was not outlawed at that time.[54]
1921: Nepal abolishes slavery.[55][56]
1922: Morocco abolishes slavery.[57]
1923: Afghanistan abolishes slavery.[58]
1924: Iraq abolishes slavery.
1924: League of Nations Temporary Slavery Commission
1926, 25 September: Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slavery bound all signatories to end slavery.
1928: Iran abolishes slavery.[59]
1928: Domestic slavery practised by local African elites abolished in Sierra Leone.[60] Though established as a place for freed slaves, a study found practices of domestic slavery still widespread in rural areas in the 1970s.
1935: Italian General Emilio De Bono proclaims slavery to be abolished in the Ethiopian Empire.[61]
1936: Britain abolishes slavery in Northern Nigeria.[62]
1945: In the aftermath of the defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan, workcamps for slave labor were closed by the liberators.
1946: Fritz Sauckel, procurer of slave labor for Nazi Germany, is convicted at the Nuremberg trials and executed as war criminal.
1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally.[63]
1952: Qatar abolishes slavery.
1959: Slavery in Tibet is abolished by China after the Dalai Lama flees.
1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003).[64]
1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery.
1962: Yemen abolishes slavery.
1963: United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery.
1970: Oman abolishes slavery.
1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery.[65][66][67]
2007: Mauritania makes it illegal to own slaves.
Abolition of slavery timeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rightwinger]

Doofus, your attempt to qualify The African American Slave experience as unique is FBS. Learn some history.

Well since we are talking history lets discuss Europe in the mid 1800s and how they had outlawed slavery. The US was alone among "civilized" nations in that it not only defended slavery but had states fight to the death to preserve it

Wrong. The civil war was not just about slavery, it was about states rights
How many of the countrys below that abolished slavery after the US did in 1865, are not civilized. Keep swinging and missing RW


1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[46]
1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[47]
1869 (February, 27th) – Portugal: King Louis signs a decree of the government, chaired by the Marquis Sá da Bandeira, abolishing slavery in all Portuguese territories.
1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[48]
1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico
1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade[33]
1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[49]
1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[50]
1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.
1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[17]
1888: May, 13th Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[51]
1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast
1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[52]
1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[53] following its becoming a British protectorate
1899: France abolishes slavery in Ndzuwani
1900–present [edit]1902: Ethiopian Empire abolishes slavery (though it was not legally and officially abolished by Emperor Haile Selassie until 1942).
1904: Slavery abolished in Ngazidja.
1906: China formally abolishes slavery effective 31 January 1910, when all adult slaves were converted into hired labourers and the young were freed upon reaching age 25.[14]
1912: Siam (Thailand), formally abolishes all slavery. The act of selling a person into slavery was abolished in 1897 but slavery itself was not outlawed at that time.[54]
1921: Nepal abolishes slavery.[55][56]
1922: Morocco abolishes slavery.[57]
1923: Afghanistan abolishes slavery.[58]
1924: Iraq abolishes slavery.
1924: League of Nations Temporary Slavery Commission
1926, 25 September: Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slavery bound all signatories to end slavery.
1928: Iran abolishes slavery.[59]
1928: Domestic slavery practised by local African elites abolished in Sierra Leone.[60] Though established as a place for freed slaves, a study found practices of domestic slavery still widespread in rural areas in the 1970s.
1935: Italian General Emilio De Bono proclaims slavery to be abolished in the Ethiopian Empire.[61]
1936: Britain abolishes slavery in Northern Nigeria.[62]
1945: In the aftermath of the defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan, workcamps for slave labor were closed by the liberators.
1946: Fritz Sauckel, procurer of slave labor for Nazi Germany, is convicted at the Nuremberg trials and executed as war criminal.
1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally.[63]
1952: Qatar abolishes slavery.
1959: Slavery in Tibet is abolished by China after the Dalai Lama flees.
1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003).[64]
1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery.
1962: Yemen abolishes slavery.
1963: United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery.
1970: Oman abolishes slavery.
1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery.[65][66][67]
2007: Mauritania makes it illegal to own slaves.
Abolition of slavery timeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you read your own list?

Thanks for proving my point while you defend slavery

 

[rightwinger]

Come on all you outraged wingnuts

Explain to all the nice people how Michelle Obama is supposed to give a speech on the Emancipation Proclamation without mentioning slavery

 

[BlindBoo]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, except that they've figured out they can guilt some whites.

Blacks are STILL widely enslaved, all over the Arab world: you can read about it anywhere. Classic black slavery, children and women captured from villages.

And then there is sex slavery, which is practiced everywhere, white, black, yellow, brown, billions of women and small children bought and sold constantly, smuggled, forced, tortured, controlled, pimped out.

There is slavery going on everywhere. I'd say quit letting these ungrateful blacks guilt anyone. If they don't like America, for goodness sake pay for their ticket back to Malarialand! They can enjoy life there in the jungle or desert without services of any kind until they die of AIDS, like so many in Africa do.

As I recall all the fuss is about the First Lady daring to mention the Slaves that worked at the Decatur House to school children, who were taking part in a re-enactment of the Emancipation Proclamation.

Funny how that brought out a lot of hatred in some folks.

 

[NLT]

Well since we are talking history lets discuss Europe in the mid 1800s and how they had outlawed slavery. The US was alone among "civilized" nations in that it not only defended slavery but had states fight to the death to preserve it

Wrong. The civil war was not just about slavery, it was about states rights
How many of the countrys below that abolished slavery after the US did in 1865, are not civilized. Keep swinging and missing RW


1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[46]
1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[47]
1869 (February, 27th) – Portugal: King Louis signs a decree of the government, chaired by the Marquis Sá da Bandeira, abolishing slavery in all Portuguese territories.
1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[48]
1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico
1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade[33]
1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[49]
1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[50]
1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.
1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[17]
1888: May, 13th Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[51]
1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast
1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[52]
1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[53] following its becoming a British protectorate
1899: France abolishes slavery in Ndzuwani
1900–present [edit]1902: Ethiopian Empire abolishes slavery (though it was not legally and officially abolished by Emperor Haile Selassie until 1942).
1904: Slavery abolished in Ngazidja.
1906: China formally abolishes slavery effective 31 January 1910, when all adult slaves were converted into hired labourers and the young were freed upon reaching age 25.[14]
1912: Siam (Thailand), formally abolishes all slavery. The act of selling a person into slavery was abolished in 1897 but slavery itself was not outlawed at that time.[54]
1921: Nepal abolishes slavery.[55][56]
1922: Morocco abolishes slavery.[57]
1923: Afghanistan abolishes slavery.[58]
1924: Iraq abolishes slavery.
1924: League of Nations Temporary Slavery Commission
1926, 25 September: Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slavery bound all signatories to end slavery.
1928: Iran abolishes slavery.[59]
1928: Domestic slavery practised by local African elites abolished in Sierra Leone.[60] Though established as a place for freed slaves, a study found practices of domestic slavery still widespread in rural areas in the 1970s.
1935: Italian General Emilio De Bono proclaims slavery to be abolished in the Ethiopian Empire.[61]
1936: Britain abolishes slavery in Northern Nigeria.[62]
1945: In the aftermath of the defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan, workcamps for slave labor were closed by the liberators.
1946: Fritz Sauckel, procurer of slave labor for Nazi Germany, is convicted at the Nuremberg trials and executed as war criminal.
1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally.[63]
1952: Qatar abolishes slavery.
1959: Slavery in Tibet is abolished by China after the Dalai Lama flees.
1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003).[64]
1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery.
1962: Yemen abolishes slavery.
1963: United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery.
1970: Oman abolishes slavery.
1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery.[65][66][67]
2007: Mauritania makes it illegal to own slaves.
Abolition of slavery timeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you read your own list?

Thanks for proving my point while you defend slavery

I not defending slavery you ******* asshole, I am attacking your twisting of historical facts to fit your argument. The African american slave experience was not as bad as other slave experience throughout history. That is the claim you made and I am telling you you are full of shit as usual.

 

[Circe]

As I recall all the fuss is about the First Lady daring to mention the Slaves that worked at the Decatur House to school children, who were taking part in a re-enactment of the Emancipation Proclamation.

Funny how that brought out a lot of hatred in some folks.

We are sick of all the guilting.

If they really hate that they came here enslaved, they should go back. It's perfectly obvious. But they don't. They just keep trying to get more and more out of whites by this continual guilting. It's disgusting.