Michael Steele blows over being civil With Trump

[para bellum]

Worst RNC chairman ever.

 

[Clipper]

I agree trump shouldn't go after the press, but, you'd think the press would have more journalistic integrity? Maybe?

You have to admit, there is almost no integrity in most of these "news" outlets anymore. After the hatchet job they did on trump for the last 10 years.

More journalistic integrity? It was the press including those on the left who helped to get your boy elected. That not good enough for you?

 

[Clipper]

I remember Steele. He was the fake Republican.

He was a Republican until he saw that Trump was a sociopath out to blow the whole thing up for his own gain. And you willfully stupid MAGA's took the bait hook, like & sinker.

 

[westwall]

He was a Republican until he saw that Trump was a sociopath out to blow the whole thing up for his own gain. And you willfully stupid MAGA's took the bait hook, like & sinker.

He's never been a repub. He's always been a faithful lapdog of the demorat party.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Nobody had to issue a warrant to retrieve anything Biden had.

How do they know bidens team was telling the truth? When the FBI searched bidens home, did they go through her underwear drawer? Maybe he hid some documents in there!

Also, biden was afforded the luxury of allowing his lawyers to go through the materials before he gave them to the FBI. Did his lawyers have clearance to be able to see those documents? Why did the doj decide against having the FBI monitor the document search?

with those boxes being unsecured in his garage, it means anyone with access to the house could have seen them. Now, do you think hunter biden never went into the garage? You think he never went through those boxes? We don't know, because nobody ever asked.

Trump was charged under the espionage act, which relates to mishandling of classified material, why wasn't biden? It doesn't matter that biden was more forthcoming with classified material, that's not the crime trump is being charged for. The espionage act is because you mishandled said material, which BOTH president's did, biden more so because much of the material he took, he never had the authority to have, nor did he have authority to remove it from its secure location (SCIF).

If trump broke the law, then he is going through the process for that crime, but the left completely absolved biden for doing the exact....same....thing....

 

[BULLDOG]

No, he isn't. He's a demorat.

No. Steel is a republican in the classic republican sense. Perhaps he isn't a member of the abomination that is known as trump cult republicans. Trump cult republicans and classic republicans are far from the same thing.

 

[ThisIsMe]

More journalistic integrity? It was the press including those on the left who helped to get your boy elected. That not good enough for you?

So what you're saying is the press has no journalistic integrity? Hmm?

 

[BULLDOG]

Search warrants are usually very specific. Allowing law enforcement to take anything related to Trump's entire four year term plus anything in the general area of anything related to Trump's term is the broadest search warrant I've ever seen...the kind of thing a "pet" judge gives you when you're looking for something to use against a political opponent...not something a judge issues who understands the law!

I highly doubt the warrant was that broad. Do you have anything indicating the warrant covered all you claim? Further search in the general area of what the warrant was issued for is quite common.

 

[Mashmont]

No. Steel is a republican in the classic republican sense. Perhaps he isn't a member of the abomination that is known as trump cult republicans. Trump cult republicans and classic republicans are far from the same thing.

See, that's the typical leftwing lie. The vast majority of traditional conservatives support Trump because his first administration was the most conservative in 100 years. The ones who don't like him are the so-called moderates, fake conservatives and liberals posing as conservatives. These people are invariably pro-abortion. People just like Steele.

 

[BULLDOG]

How do they know bidens team was telling the truth? When the FBI searched bidens home, did they go through her underwear drawer? Maybe he hid some documents in there!

Also, biden was afforded the luxury of allowing his lawyers to go through the materials before he gave them to the FBI. Did his lawyers have clearance to be able to see those documents? Why did the doj decide against having the FBI monitor the document search?

with those boxes being unsecured in his garage, it means anyone with access to the house could have seen them. Now, do you think hunter biden never went into the garage? You think he never went through those boxes? We don't know, because nobody ever asked.

Trump was charged under the espionage act, which relates to mishandling of classified material, why wasn't biden? It doesn't matter that biden was more forthcoming with classified material, that's not the crime trump is being charged for. The espionage act is because you mishandled said material, which BOTH president's did, biden more so because much of the material he took, he never had the authority to have, nor did he have authority to remove it from its secure location (SCIF).

If trump broke the law, then he is going through the process for that crime, but the left completely absolved biden for doing the exact....same....thing....

Trump refused to return items asked for and lied and made efforts to hide the documents. Biden did none of that He cooperated in every way. There was no reason to believe he might be hiding anything.

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump refused to return items asked for and lied and made efforts to hide the documents. Biden did none of that He cooperated in every way. There was no reason to believe he might be hiding anything.

Well, there is the fact that he had been hiding them since he gained unauthorized access to them, those many years ago.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I highly doubt the warrant was that broad. Do you have anything indicating the warrant covered all you claim? Further search in the general area of what the warrant was issued for is quite common.

"ATTACHMENT AProperty to be searchedThe premises to be searched, 1100 S Ocean Blvd, Palm Beach, FL 33480, is furtherdescribed as a resort, club, and residence located near the intersection of Southern Blvd and SOcean Bl v d. It is described as a mansion with approximately 58 bedrooms, 33 bathrooms, on a17- acre estate. The locations to be searched include the " 45 Office," all storage rooms, and allother rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staffand in which boxes or documents could be stored, including a ll structures or buildings on theestate. It does not include areas curren tl y (i.e. , at the time of the search) being occupied, rented,or used by third parties (such as Mar-a-Largo Members) and not otherwise used or available to beused by FPOTUS and his staff, such as private guest suites.
ATTACHMENT BProperty to be seizedAll physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, orother items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793 , 2 071 , or 1519, including thefollowin g:a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with anycontainers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, aswell as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with theaforementioned documents and containers/boxes;b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding theretrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material ;c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; ord. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment ofany government and/or Presidential
Record s, or of any documents with classificationmarkings."

You'll note that what is in Italics gives the FBI the right to search everywhere in Mar A Lago and seize any document created during Trump's entire four years in office along with anything "found together" with such documents which essentially gave them the right to search EVERYWHERE!

 

[Man With A Plan]

I highly doubt the warrant was that broad. Do you have anything indicating the warrant covered all you claim? Further search in the general area of what the warrant was issued for is quite common.

As for your claim that a search of a general area is quite common? It is not. Search warrants are specific under Constitutional law.

Understanding Search Warrants: Particularity in search warrants

This concept of particularity in search warrants isn't just a good idea, it's a Fourth Amendment requirement of the United States Constitution.

warrantbuilder.com

What the FBI was given by that pet judge was license to search everywhere in Mar A Lago and look at everything.

 

[westwall]

No. Steel is a republican in the classic republican sense. Perhaps he isn't a member of the abomination that is known as trump cult republicans. Trump cult republicans and classic republicans are far from the same thing.

Oh? You mean the permanent controlled opposition?

 

[marvin martian]

Those who support trump need to face reality. After 4 years of their incivility, now that their candidate won, they think they can demand that everybody support their candidate and that we all should now be civil.

**** that.

Michael Steele blows up on Joe Scarborough over being civil with Trump

In a rare combative moment on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Michael Steele battled with co-host Joe Scarborough over the effectiveness of being "civil" with Donald Trump with the two talking over each other as the rest of the panel held their tongues.

"Joe, you had your moment, let me just finish my point," Steele admonished Scarborough. "I get that, but I'm telling you something you seem to forget –– so, let me make my point, you may not like it but I'm going to make it and the reality of it is, I take your civility argument, you like to say 78 million people voted for Donald Trump, well 82 million people voted for Joe Biden and he didn't get that civility that you're talking about from Donald Trump in those four years."

"So now the expectation is, because he has won again and he's got 78 million people, we all have to be civil to Donald Trump, well okay, I'm prepared to be civil ––."

"But the reality is, no, you are using the term civil, I'm using your term, you put civility on the table," Steele parried as Scarborough once again talked over him.

"But, Joe, I'm just saying –– fine, I'm not talking about that," Steele explained. "My main point is, everybody is looking at this from a one-way perspective; how we need to approach Donald Trump, how is he approaching us? The man wants to lock up citizens, the man wants to turn the government against them, how are we supposed to respond to that? Are we supposed to be civil?"

MSN

The DemoKKKrat party is finished.

 

[westwall]

Trump refused to return items asked for and lied and made efforts to hide the documents. Biden did none of that He cooperated in every way. There was no reason to believe he might be hiding anything.

Trump's prerogative. HE was president. Not them. HE gets to choose.

 

[westwall]

The DemoKKKrat party is finished.

Not by a long shot.

 

[BULLDOG]

"ATTACHMENT AProperty to be searchedThe premises to be searched, 1100 S Ocean Blvd, Palm Beach, FL 33480, is furtherdescribed as a resort, club, and residence located near the intersection of Southern Blvd and SOcean Bl v d. It is described as a mansion with approximately 58 bedrooms, 33 bathrooms, on a17- acre estate. The locations to be searched include the " 45 Office," all storage rooms, and allother rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staffand in which boxes or documents could be stored, including a ll structures or buildings on theestate. It does not include areas curren tl y (i.e. , at the time of the search) being occupied, rented,or used by third parties (such as Mar-a-Largo Members) and not otherwise used or available to beused by FPOTUS and his staff, such as private guest suites.
ATTACHMENT BProperty to be seizedAll physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, orother items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793 , 2 071 , or 1519, including thefollowin g:a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with anycontainers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, aswell as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with theaforementioned documents and containers/boxes;b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding theretrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material ;c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; ord. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment ofany government and/or Presidential
Record s, or of any documents with classificationmarkings."

You'll note that what is in Italics gives the FBI the right to search everywhere in Mar A Lago and seize any document created during Trump's entire four years in office along with anything "found together" with such documents which essentially gave them the right to search EVERYWHERE!

No. It included all rooms which could be used for storage of documents. Rooms rented to customers were excluded. They specified GOVERNMENT and/or PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS. Those don't belong to him. They belong to us. The warrant was valid. Otherwise, somebody besides batshit crazy trump cult members would have taken it to court. Quit whining.

 

[BULLDOG]

As for your claim that a search of a general area is quite common? It is not. Search warrants are specific under Constitutional law.

Understanding Search Warrants: Particularity in search warrants

This concept of particularity in search warrants isn't just a good idea, it's a Fourth Amendment requirement of the United States Constitution.

warrantbuilder.com

What the FBI was given by that pet judge was license to search everywhere in Mar A Lago and look at everything.

You should get a megaphone and a sandwich board and take your complaint to some street corner. That's where crazy complaints like yours belong. Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat.

 

[justoffal]

Those who support trump need to face reality. After 4 years of their incivility, now that their candidate won, they think they can demand that everybody support their candidate and that we all should now be civil.

**** that.

Michael Steele blows up on Joe Scarborough over being civil with Trump

In a rare combative moment on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Michael Steele battled with co-host Joe Scarborough over the effectiveness of being "civil" with Donald Trump with the two talking over each other as the rest of the panel held their tongues.

"Joe, you had your moment, let me just finish my point," Steele admonished Scarborough. "I get that, but I'm telling you something you seem to forget –– so, let me make my point, you may not like it but I'm going to make it and the reality of it is, I take your civility argument, you like to say 78 million people voted for Donald Trump, well 82 million people voted for Joe Biden and he didn't get that civility that you're talking about from Donald Trump in those four years."

"So now the expectation is, because he has won again and he's got 78 million people, we all have to be civil to Donald Trump, well okay, I'm prepared to be civil ––."

"But the reality is, no, you are using the term civil, I'm using your term, you put civility on the table," Steele parried as Scarborough once again talked over him.

"But, Joe, I'm just saying –– fine, I'm not talking about that," Steele explained. "My main point is, everybody is looking at this from a one-way perspective; how we need to approach Donald Trump, how is he approaching us? The man wants to lock up citizens, the man wants to turn the government against them, how are we supposed to respond to that? Are we supposed to be civil?"

MSN

Michael Who?