Men in women's bathrooms

[P@triot]

I agree Sass but here's the thing. If you drop your ridiculous notion that a tranny will be mentally deranged with a 5 'o clock shadow then you'd have to deal with the most likely tranny. Which would be a dude in a dress and you wouldnt know it because it looks like a woman.

The idea that a tranny would have a 5 o clock shadow, hairy chest or even carrying a football is flat out silly and thats why you continue with your Benny Hill like characterizations.

does your imaginary tranny have a penis? If yes, he is a male and should use the male restroom and locker room. End of story.

I keep asking you guys how will you guys make sure? Will you have a penis check? Or will it be like it is now? If you look like a woman you use the womans bathroom.

I mean, who will be asking the question "Do you have a penis?"

What does a woman look like?

Be specific

This question is always dodged.

What does the sky look like? Be specific.

Everybody on earth knows what a woman looks like. Everybody on earth knows what a man looks like. You don't need it explained to you - you're just trying to be difficult because you can't defend an indefensible position.

 

[P@triot]

I agree Sass but here's the thing. If you drop your ridiculous notion that a tranny will be mentally deranged with a 5 'o clock shadow then you'd have to deal with the most likely tranny. Which would be a dude in a dress and you wouldnt know it because it looks like a woman.

The idea that a tranny would have a 5 o clock shadow, hairy chest or even carrying a football is flat out silly and thats why you continue with your Benny Hill like characterizations.

If he has a dangly bit there is going to be trouble...for him. That is just a fact of life that will happen. I nor my husband will ever allow it. End of story

How will you know it has a penis? Will you be checking?

Dude a woman knows when some mental whack job is pretending to be a woman. There are a few that can pull it off but they are few and far between. Just keep them out of the women's restrooms and away from kids. They can suffer their mental issues in the men's room

That might be true but if your requirement is pushed that means that someone would have to check for a penis OR just determine that some chicks look too much on the iffy side. Which opens another can of worms for someone who looks like Wendy Williams lol.

There is no way to enforce your plan and thats what makes it not a plan

use the facilities designed for your biological gender, not your mental gender. No problem, no issues. That's all the NC law says.

Why do we have to rewrite our laws to accommodate less than 1% of the population who is gender confused?

That's one of the most bizarre parts of this entire nonsense. The liberals are all about society, the majority, etc. (i.e. communism - everything is for the good of society). So why is it then that on this particular issue, they refuse all of society and the majority for the 0.004% of the population?!?!

Because anything that is sexually deviant and disturbing gets them so turned on. They love the deviance of it, they love the "shock" to society's senses, and they love the degradation of civilized norms.

 

[The Great Goose]

And yet you ignore the inappropriateness of that comment. As a pre-operative woman I am not going to be bullied by ignorant bigots into embarrassing and debasing myself. You need to learn and educate yourself on the matter. If I look, walk, sound, smell like a woman, I'll be damned if you are going to force me in the men's room because of your stupidity.

You're not a woman if you still have your penis. Sorry toots.

You ARE going to be bullied. You are not only going to be bullied, you are going to be treated with violence and risk death if you persist in trying to go into public women's restrooms with your penis. That is no threat, it's a guarantee.

You see... the problem here is not my ignorance or bigotry... it's your penis. So what's the big deal? Fix the problem, then we won't have one!

How will anyone know if she has a penis?

Let me pose a hypothetical... You're out at a restaurant with your family and your teenage daughter goes to the restroom... she returns a few minutes later and says... "Dad, there's a creepy dude in a dress in the girl's bathroom, taking pictures with his cell phone!" ...What are you going to do about that? Come on now, honest answer?

I really hate cameras so I would attack the guy, grab his phone and throw it in the fish tank.

Congratulations, you're going to jail on assault charges and destruction of private property.

what's your solution then?

 

[The Great Goose]

For trans people, it's only about using the restroom. Hateful bigots make it out to be something else.

Yes... it's ALWAYS about something totally innocent and benign. It's just two people in love... remember that one? That was less than a year ago, now we have this.

The "hateful bigotry" is coming from the left on this... you have zero tolerance for anyone who doesn't think like you or see this your way. You continue to frame this as some kind of discrimination against transgenders because fathers don't want men with penises in the restroom with their daughters. You're all wound up and ready to cram this down our throats against our will, just like you did with Gay Marriage.

You people have gone ape shit crazy with power and someone needs to put their foot down and tell you NO! NO MORE! ENOUGH!

I think it's more the balls which are the problem.

 

[Renae]

a human being with a penis and testicles is not a woman, no matter what that person thinks.

Gender and Sex are not the same, no matter how many time you stamp your feet.

 

[Renae]

Dude....you don't think a man who believes he is a woman and was supposed to have been born a woman is a "delusional mental state"!?!?

Gender Dysphoria is not a delusional state.
From SCIENCE:
Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, anddepression that go along with it.
What Is Gender Dysphoria?


EDUCATE YOURSELF

Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender identity disorder (GID), gender incongruence or transgenderism.

Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be.

While biological sex and gender identity are the same for most people, this isn't the case for everyone. For example, some people may have the anatomy of a man, but identify themselves as a woman, while others may not feel they're definitively either male or female.

This mismatch between sex and gender identity can lead to distressing and uncomfortable feelings that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness.

Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex. These people are sometimes called transsexual or trans people. Some trans people have treatment to make their physical appearance more consistent with their gender identity.

Gender dysphoria - NHS Choices

God Almighty, it's the text book definition. And you're the one ignoring science. A person with an "X" and a "Y" chromosome is absolutely a man. And if that person thinks they are a woman, they are absolutely, positively no different from the person who thinks they are Jesus Christ or the person who "identifies" as President of the United States. They only difference in your mind is that you don't suffer from their condition, so you could care less about their plight. But your condition requires the entire world to stop revolving and bend to your every whim and every desire.

So like I said, self-absorbed, selfish ignorant science denier. You condition is no different from that person in the ER so many years ago who truly believed they were Jesus Christ. Both of you suffer from an unfortunate mental illness which leads you to believe that you are something you are not.

You can choose to be ignorant, or you can man up and admit you are wrong.

 

[The Great Goose]

This guy just wants to use the restroom.
He has a penis.
According to the new law he'd have to use the women's.
There might be a bit pearl-clutching as he walks in.View attachment 71850

If it has a dick it is a man, if not its a woman.

Its the balls.

 

[Renae]

one does need to realize that gender neutral bathrooms will allow dads to go in with daughters.....i am so sick of this protecting your kids bullshit when what greater protection do you have...with the ability to accompany your child in the bathroom? yall are so full of homophobia you dont consider anything else...

No, the perverts need to stay outside.

Transgender folks are not perverts.

 

[Renae]

It's a he, so there's that.

Being a she involves much more than contracting out BREASTS

You are right, however there is more to male and female then simple biology. You are welcome to understand and learn about Sex and Gender or you can keep your fingers in your ears and scream LALLLALALALLALA I can't hear you all while pretending the world agrees with your limited views and scientifically illiterate opinions.

There you go, everyone get educated because knowledge will make you unable to figure out what a dick looks like.

No but it will help you understand that:
Sex and Gender are different concepts.
A Transgender person is not a mentally ill delusion threat to you or anyone else.
You are in error.

 

[Renae]

No see, you cannot accept that there is a difference between Sex and Gender.

Yeah...that's because it is inextricably not. I've already proven that. I posted the definition for you. I've never seen anyone reject science, fact, and reality like you. But I'll post it one more time:

gen·der
ˈjendər/
noun

1. the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
   "traditional concepts of gender"
   synonyms: sex

Contrary to what liberals have taught you - you're condition does not entitle you to make up your own facts and your own reality. You can live in your own reality for certain, but you don't get to push that false reality on the rest of society.

No, you've blathered a dictionary entry.
Good job.

Sex And Gender: What Is The Difference?

 

[Renae]

I don't want little girls sharing restrooms with Caitlen Jenner or Rosie O'Donnell.

Homosexuality and transexuality are not normal human conditions.

Let's dial your comments back 70 years:
I don't want little girls sharing restrooms with Black women

Blacks are not normal humans
(insert worse for "Blacks" for a more accurate phrasing)

You are no different then those bigots. Have a nice day.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

one does need to realize that gender neutral bathrooms will allow dads to go in with daughters.....i am so sick of this protecting your kids bullshit when what greater protection do you have...with the ability to accompany your child in the bathroom? yall are so full of homophobia you dont consider anything else...

No, the perverts need to stay outside.

Transgender folks are not perverts.

Some are and some are not....like any other group of people

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I don't want little girls sharing restrooms with Caitlen Jenner or Rosie O'Donnell.

Homosexuality and transexuality are not normal human conditions.

Let's dial your comments back 70 years:
I don't want little girls sharing restrooms with Black women

Blacks are not normal humans
(insert worse for "Blacks" for a more accurate phrasing)

You are no different then those bigots. Have a nice day.

Apples and oranges

 

[Pop23]

I agree Sass but here's the thing. If you drop your ridiculous notion that a tranny will be mentally deranged with a 5 'o clock shadow then you'd have to deal with the most likely tranny. Which would be a dude in a dress and you wouldnt know it because it looks like a woman.

The idea that a tranny would have a 5 o clock shadow, hairy chest or even carrying a football is flat out silly and thats why you continue with your Benny Hill like characterizations.

does your imaginary tranny have a penis? If yes, he is a male and should use the male restroom and locker room. End of story.

I keep asking you guys how will you guys make sure? Will you have a penis check? Or will it be like it is now? If you look like a woman you use the womans bathroom.

I mean, who will be asking the question "Do you have a penis?"

What does a woman look like?

Be specific

This question is always dodged.

What does the sky look like? Be specific.

Everybody on earth knows what a woman looks like. Everybody on earth knows what a man looks like. You don't need it explained to you - you're just trying to be difficult because you can't defend an indefensible position.

What position am I defending?

Everybody on earth knows what a woman looks like?

Guess this thread is unnecessary then?

 

[Pop23]

Dude....you don't think a man who believes he is a woman and was supposed to have been born a woman is a "delusional mental state"!?!?

Gender Dysphoria is not a delusional state.
From SCIENCE:
Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, anddepression that go along with it.
What Is Gender Dysphoria?


EDUCATE YOURSELF

Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender identity disorder (GID), gender incongruence or transgenderism.

Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be.

While biological sex and gender identity are the same for most people, this isn't the case for everyone. For example, some people may have the anatomy of a man, but identify themselves as a woman, while others may not feel they're definitively either male or female.

This mismatch between sex and gender identity can lead to distressing and uncomfortable feelings that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness.

Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex. These people are sometimes called transsexual or trans people. Some trans people have treatment to make their physical appearance more consistent with their gender identity.

Gender dysphoria - NHS Choices

God Almighty, it's the text book definition. And you're the one ignoring science. A person with an "X" and a "Y" chromosome is absolutely a man. And if that person thinks they are a woman, they are absolutely, positively no different from the person who thinks they are Jesus Christ or the person who "identifies" as President of the United States. They only difference in your mind is that you don't suffer from their condition, so you could care less about their plight. But your condition requires the entire world to stop revolving and bend to your every whim and every desire.

So like I said, self-absorbed, selfish ignorant science denier. You condition is no different from that person in the ER so many years ago who truly believed they were Jesus Christ. Both of you suffer from an unfortunate mental illness which leads you to believe that you are something you are not.

You can choose to be ignorant, or you can man up and admit you are wrong.

EDUCATE YOURSELF - SOMEDAY YOU TOO WILL BE ABLE TO DENY THE TRUTH!

 

[Pop23]

I don't want little girls sharing restrooms with Caitlen Jenner or Rosie O'Donnell.

Homosexuality and transexuality are not normal human conditions.

Let's dial your comments back 70 years:
I don't want little girls sharing restrooms with Black women

Blacks are not normal humans
(insert worse for "Blacks" for a more accurate phrasing)

You are no different then those bigots. Have a nice day.

Blacks did nothing to become black.

Talk about a logical falicy

Rosa Parks be like, WTF?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

It's a he, so there's that.

Being a she involves much more than contracting out BREASTS

You are right, however there is more to male and female then simple biology. You are welcome to understand and learn about Sex and Gender or you can keep your fingers in your ears and scream LALLLALALALLALA I can't hear you all while pretending the world agrees with your limited views and scientifically illiterate opinions.

"You are welcome to understand and learn about Sex and Gender"

We already established this last night, so there is nothing to "understand and learn about sex and gender"

Basic biology, Sex and Gender, this is male and female, if you have a penis then you're male, if you don't have a penis then you're female....this is Sex and Gender.

 

[deltex1]

Simply saying "you're wrong" does not make him wrong....prove it. Bet ya don't

How do you prove a prediction is wrong? Once you cant answer you'll realize how silly it is to ask for proof

If you can't prove it's wrong cease saying "you're wrong"....dumbass

I'll ask again...How do you prove a prediction wrong?

Proving predictions wrong is how the Jews make money in the stock market...and casinos thrive in Vegas.

No it isnt. Thats called speculation fool

BETEGY: Football Predictions & Stats. Reinvented.

So...now go **** yersef.

 

[ClosedCaption]

How will you know it has a penis? Will you be checking?

Dude a woman knows when some mental whack job is pretending to be a woman. There are a few that can pull it off but they are few and far between. Just keep them out of the women's restrooms and away from kids. They can suffer their mental issues in the men's room

That might be true but if your requirement is pushed that means that someone would have to check for a penis OR just determine that some chicks look too much on the iffy side. Which opens another can of worms for someone who looks like Wendy Williams lol.

There is no way to enforce your plan and thats what makes it not a plan

use the facilities designed for your biological gender, not your mental gender. No problem, no issues. That's all the NC law says.

Why do we have to rewrite our laws to accommodate less than 1% of the population who is gender confused?

Asking why isnt a reason to be against it

Why are you for it? What exactly is your goal here? Tolerance at the expense of privacy? The liberal mind is a very confused thing.

I am for it because you dont want Rupaul walking into the Mens room and women dont want Chaz Bono in the womens room.

Also, what you want cant be enforced unless you ask everyone if they have a penis or a vagina. Which you cant do .....so .

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

So Renae - why can't that "transgender woman" simply use the correct facility, do their business, and then leave? I promise you this much - you will survive if you don't dress like a woman and use the women's restroom 24x7. I promise. You'll be just fine. You have plenty of time at home to dress like a woman and use the bathroom like a woman. There are two things here that don't add up:

1. Your refusal to seek the healthcare you need. And while I completely support your freedom to choose for yourself whether you seek help or not (as that is what American was founded on), it really doesn't make sense that if using the correct facility causes you so much mental anguish that you wouldn't seek help so that you don't have to suffer.
2. Your belief that your problems should be society's problem. Your position seems to be that all of society should have to adjust to you instead of you adjusting to all of society. I have no doubt that you're hurting and I do genuinely feel for you but I refuse to let my two precious young daughters hurt just because you do and you subscribe to "misery loves company" (and especially when you choose not to seek help).

Uhm, because I AM a woman, and I am not going to hide at home because people like you are afraid of what you do not understand. I go out, and you wouldn't know I was male. I use the restroom, you wouldn't know I had a penis. Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't walk in, throw the stall open and just whip it out and start deep voice leering at teh girls. I know you have this sick vision of that but no... sorry.

1, What healthcare I need? Huh? I'm under the best care, I have a therapist, and endocrinologist who see me on a regular basis. I've been to ten different therapist and spent the last 20 years fighting this. You think I haven't tried? You're insane. The suffering has been allowing the hateful beliefs you harbor, which I too once thought were more accurate, to force me to deny the truth of who I am.

2. Actually no, I'm quite the opposite. You label me because you are willfully ignorant. I agree that a pre-op should not be getting undressed in a public area. That's rude, it's inappropriate, it makes others uncomfortable and children don't need to face that reality. I ask only that you show a little compassion and courtesy, I show the same in return. See the thing sis I'm really not an in your face Trans activist. I'm passionate on the subject, obviously it's rather personal, however I think you'll find I'm highly conservative on most issues, I'm very deferential to society. But Right, is Right. I'm a woman, sorry to break it to you but Sex and Gender are not the same. I am not sexual pervert, I'm not a threat to anyone, I'm just a lady with a birth defect trying to live a happy life. You wish to condemn me to hiding from your view, because YOU are the one with a problem.

Like I said before, you and the others like you argue like either leftist liberals of the worst sorts or KKK Goons. Your arguments are based in ignorance, hate and fear. You stance is predicated on a falsehood.

I pity you, but I'm still gonna use the ladies room, it's only appropriate.

You're not a woman, you're a man, you were born with the XY chromosome, even if you have your penis removed and get boobies, you'll still possess the XY chromosome, you are a man, you can NEVER be a woman, you can never surgically become XX chromosome....also you can never possess a womb, because men aren't born with one.