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[PoliticalChic]

So what? That didn't make Carter responsible. The Shah cheated the Iranians. There was no middle class. That was orchestrated by the US and UK in 1953.

No Carter, no Ayatollah.

I'd suggest you only post about things you are aware of......but then you'd be mute.



During the 1953 through 1969, Eisenhower and Kennedy and Johnson pressured the Shah to engage in various reforms based on their fear of a popular uprising, as predicted by the CIA as “…just around the corner!” In mid-1958, “Tomorrow will be a revolution!” Of course, the CIA at that time was factually correct, but chronologically premature by some twenty years! In comparison, in 1978, the CIA was dismally incorrect: “…the Shah is here to stay! There will be no fundamental change…no group is powerful enough.”

a. Due to the American pressure, the Shah launched a series of reforms, known as the White Revolution, in 1963. This included many American ideas for modernization, such as a) land reform, b) modernization of infrastructure including railroads, c) education, d) enfranchising women, e) urbanization, f) encouragement of a class of technocrats and competent bureaucrats, etc. tried (unsuccessfully) to enable Iran’s religious minorities—principally Baha’is, Jews, and Christians—to take the oath of office on a holy book of their own choosing.



b. The conservative clergy viewed the White Revolution as an affront to Islam and a dangerous move toward Western modernity: Ayatollah Khomeini immediately denounced the proposed reforms, led the clerical opposition

c. Strangely, the success of the White Revolution lead to new social tensions that helped create many of the problems the Shah had been trying to avoid. It produced a middle class, economically privileged, that formed the insurgents who demanded political reform later…just what the Shah had hoped to avoid.

The traditional base of the Shah’s support had been a) the feudal aristocracy, b) nomadic chieftains, c) the clergy, d) the military, e) some parts of the industrial middle class and upper class. The Shah had intended to maintain Iran as such, but the foreign aid of the United States mandated the White Revolution reforms. The US could even tell the Shah the size army he could have, as Iran was the largest recipient of US aid, some $1 ½ billion- a huge amount at that time.

Not only were the poor primed for revolution, but the very middle class the Shah’s White Revolution had unleashed were also demanding political freedom.

The authoritarian rule made the country rich: during the ‘70’s the GNP sometimes reached 20%. When the Pahlavi Dynasty began in 1925, up until 1978, Iran was transformed form a nation near collapse, to one with a burgeoning middle class, and industrialization comparable with South Korea and Turkey.

 

[JohnDB]

Watch me smash yet another custard pie in your ugly kisser:


. Khomeini and his allies in Iran actually reached out to the Americans, to whom he promised a) to hold the country together, calming the unrest, b) to keep the communists out, and c) to keep the oil flowing. That’s all Carter had to hear! Carter then intercedes with the Iranian military on behalf of Khomeini and in opposition to Bakhtiar, and that the US would not support any coup in favor of the Shah. In 1991, Bakhtiar was assassinated.

a. Carter believed that Khomeini would support democracy, contrary to all that he had written while in exile. In over 110 interviews he gave in Paris in the three months prior to re-entering Iran, he never mentioned the rule of the ‘juriscouncil,’ the clerical guardianship, i.e., the regime in control currently. He promised that he would retire to a life of study, and “…leave all powers to the people.”

b. The first constitution that was written was democratic! Khomeini flew to Iran in February, ’79. Within weeks he began to marginalize democracy forces. Soon a new constitution was written with the rule of the guardians at its center. November 4, of ’79 was the attack on the US embassy and taking of the hostages for 444 days.

Dr. Abbas Milani is he Director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. His recent book is “The Shah,” is based on ten years studying the archives of the United States and of Britain. The following is from his recent lecture on that subject.

<em>The Shah</em>






Remember the last time you were right about something?????






Me neither.

I do like the example of the rejection of cultural shifts that Iran exemplifies and results of trying to trying to shift cultural and moral norms too hard and too far too quickly.
Which is what happened in Iran. All those "Western ideals and morals" became vilified and declared as immorality. (Like women showing their hair and extremity skin in public)

But for whatever reason the Satellite dishes and television broadcasts were retained by many. (Deemed pornography by the clerics)

And MTV in the 80's did more to de-radicalize their population than anything else. Currently the population there have been beaten for so long they don't have the desire to do anything to fix their problems.

They are at odds with their government but have been beaten by their government into giving verbal assent.

It is unclear if their nuclear program is actually moving forward or not. They have some of the money but none of the technical abilities to make one. Their rocket tech is also needing to advance as well.

Dunno what is going to become of the place.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I do like the example of the rejection of cultural shifts that Iran exemplifies and results of trying to trying to shift cultural and moral norms too hard and too far too quickly.
Which is what happened in Iran. All those "Western ideals and morals" became vilified and declared as immorality. (Like women showing their hair and extremity skin in public)

But for whatever reason the Satellite dishes and television broadcasts were retained by many. (Deemed pornography by the clerics)

And MTV in the 80's did more to de-radicalize their population than anything else. Currently the population there have been beaten for so long they don't have the desire to do anything to fix their problems.

They are at odds with their government but have been beaten by their government into giving verbal assent.

It is unclear if their nuclear program is actually moving forward or not. They have some of the money but none of the technical abilities to make one. Their rocket tech is also needing to advance as well.

Dunno what is going to become of the place.

You probably know that there was a chance to aid the Iranian people, when they resisted.....but the crypto-Muslim President forbid helping them.

4. When Obama had the chance to aid the protesters, he punted to support the savages.


5. “Obama is the weakest of U.S. presidents, he had humiliating defeats in the region. Under him the Islamic awakening happened,” Younesisaidin a Farsi language interview with Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency. “Americans witnessed their greatest defeats in Obama’s era: Terrorism expanded, [the] U.S. had huge defeats under Obama [and] that is why they want to compromise with Iran,” Younesi said.

The criticism of Obama echoes comments made recently byotherworld leaders and even former members of the president’s own staff,such asFormer Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Top Iranian Official: Obama is ‘The Weakest of U.S. Presidents’


6. When the people of Iran cried out for help...."... new details on how far Obama went to avoid helping Iran's green movement. Behind the scenes, Obama overruled advisers who wanted to do what America had done at similar transitions from dictatorship to democracy, and signal America's support."
Why Obama Let Iran's Green Revolution Fail



He gave them money, technology, and guaranteed the savages nuclear weapons.


And the Democrats are right there with the program.

 

[JohnDB]

You probably know that there was a chance to aid the Iranian people, when they resisted.....but the crypto-Muslim President forbid helping them.

4. When Obama had the chance to aid the protesters, he punted to support the savages.


5. “Obama is the weakest of U.S. presidents, he had humiliating defeats in the region. Under him the Islamic awakening happened,” Younesisaidin a Farsi language interview with Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency. “Americans witnessed their greatest defeats in Obama’s era: Terrorism expanded, [the] U.S. had huge defeats under Obama [and] that is why they want to compromise with Iran,” Younesi said.

The criticism of Obama echoes comments made recently byotherworld leaders and even former members of the president’s own staff,such asFormer Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Top Iranian Official: Obama is ‘The Weakest of U.S. Presidents’


6. When the people of Iran cried out for help...."... new details on how far Obama went to avoid helping Iran's green movement. Behind the scenes, Obama overruled advisers who wanted to do what America had done at similar transitions from dictatorship to democracy, and signal America's support."
Why Obama Let Iran's Green Revolution Fail



He gave them money, technology, and guaranteed the savages nuclear weapons.


And the Democrats are right there with the program.

I was originally referencing the transition of the Nixon/Ford to Carter years....
When the Shaw fell from power by the Muslim clerics....

And agreed about Obama, his inability to ever admit that he could be wrong was our undoing. (I did enjoy purchasing some discount Saffron when he lifted the embargo....they have great saffron)

American foreign policy has been notorious in constantly shifting policies. Every president has dramatically changed from Republicans to Democrats and with the foreign policy they promote.

Any nation can get away with anything or get sufficient financial aid to get the same results as whatever immoral act they wish to perpetrate simply by waiting.

 

[GHook20]

That is hope for the millions who have to search the trash cans for food. Duque is gone, the normalization of the relationship with Venezuela is underway.


Duque´s Colombia will hopefully be a thing of the past.

The only thing that remains in question is whether Petro is a real politician or a funny clown. Clowns can indeed destroy an economy. Chavez and Maduro are none of them, Maduro has to deal with your government´s cruel sanctions and he does it successfully, as the economy is growing.

You have to be one of the most willfully blind individuals or just plain stupid to make that comment.

Venezuela used to be the most successful country in Latin America… within a few short years Chavez and Maduro brought it to the poorest and on par with Haiti… even the leftist around the world that celebrated Chavez at first admit they destroyed the country.

Sanction alone do little. Israel (I know you are against her) is boycott by 20+ countries and blind antisemites, like you, around the globe; but she is one of the most successful countries in the world!

My advice to you is get a career job and work hard… Mom and dad can’t support you your whole life.

 

[Bleipriester]

You have to be one of the most willfully blind individuals or just plain stupid to make that comment.

Venezuela used to be the most successful country in Latin America… within a few short years Chavez and Maduro brought it to the poorest and on par with Haiti… even the leftist around the world that celebrated Chavez at first admit they destroyed the country.

Sanction alone do little. Israel (I know you are against her) is boycott by 20+ countries and blind antisemites, like you, around the globe; but she is one of the most successful countries in the world!

My advice to you is get a career job and work hard… Mom and dad can’t support you your whole life.

Spare me your propaganda bs. Chavez grew the economy by 400 %. People got homes.

The 4th million home made by Chavez´ program in 2022:

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Difficult for all Latin American countries to thrive with such a vicious neighbour.

 

[surada]

You've been more than helpful in proving that I am never wrong.....is that why you didn't deny that Democrat Carter put the Ayatollah in charge in Iran????

You wouldn't have learned anything about Iran in home schooling.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You wouldn't have learned anything about Iran in home schooling.

And you determined that.....how?

 

[surada]

No Carter, no Ayatollah.

I'd suggest you only post about things you are aware of......but then you'd be mute.



During the 1953 through 1969, Eisenhower and Kennedy and Johnson pressured the Shah to engage in various reforms based on their fear of a popular uprising, as predicted by the CIA as “…just around the corner!” In mid-1958, “Tomorrow will be a revolution!” Of course, the CIA at that time was factually correct, but chronologically premature by some twenty years! In comparison, in 1978, the CIA was dismally incorrect: “…the Shah is here to stay! There will be no fundamental change…no group is powerful enough.”

a. Due to the American pressure, the Shah launched a series of reforms, known as the White Revolution, in 1963. This included many American ideas for modernization, such as a) land reform, b) modernization of infrastructure including railroads, c) education, d) enfranchising women, e) urbanization, f) encouragement of a class of technocrats and competent bureaucrats, etc. tried (unsuccessfully) to enable Iran’s religious minorities—principally Baha’is, Jews, and Christians—to take the oath of office on a holy book of their own choosing.



b. The conservative clergy viewed the White Revolution as an affront to Islam and a dangerous move toward Western modernity: Ayatollah Khomeini immediately denounced the proposed reforms, led the clerical opposition

c. Strangely, the success of the White Revolution lead to new social tensions that helped create many of the problems the Shah had been trying to avoid. It produced a middle class, economically privileged, that formed the insurgents who demanded political reform later…just what the Shah had hoped to avoid.

The traditional base of the Shah’s support had been a) the feudal aristocracy, b) nomadic chieftains, c) the clergy, d) the military, e) some parts of the industrial middle class and upper class. The Shah had intended to maintain Iran as such, but the foreign aid of the United States mandated the White Revolution reforms. The US could even tell the Shah the size army he could have, as Iran was the largest recipient of US aid, some $1 ½ billion- a huge amount at that time.

Not only were the poor primed for revolution, but the very middle class the Shah’s White Revolution had unleashed were also demanding political freedom.

The authoritarian rule made the country rich: during the ‘70’s the GNP sometimes reached 20%. When the Pahlavi Dynasty began in 1925, up until 1978, Iran was transformed form a nation near collapse, to one with a burgeoning middle class, and industrialization comparable with South Korea and Turkey.

In 1953 the Mossadgeeg wanted a 50-50 revenue split like every other oil producing country. The Shah settled for 13%. The British cheated them and the US backed them up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In 1953 the Mossadgeeg wanted a 50-50 revenue split like every other oil producing country. The Shah settled for 13%. The British cheated them and the US backed them up.

Dr. Abbas Milani is the Director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. His recent book is “The Shah,” is based on ten years studying the archives of the United States and of Britain. The following is from his recent lecture on that subject.



The event that has come to define perceptions of U.S. meddling is the coup that ejected the popularly elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, in 1953. Both former secretary of state Madeleine Albright and President Obama have acknowledged America’s role in the coup in speeches that were widely taken to be apologies. http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/5280

Prior to 1951, Britain controlled Iran’s oil industry. The US foresaw how the one-sided dominance would result in a nationalist uprising, and warned Britain, but they refused to alter the agreements, claiming that they knew how to deal with the ‘natives.’

Mossedeq was the nationalist leader of the Iranian Parliament, becoming so via democratic process, and the first thing he did was nationalize the oil industry. Britain wanted to attack Iran, but Truman wouldn’t allow it. Then the Brits tried to get the Shah to use the army to throw Mossadeq out…but the Shah refused to do anything illegal.

When the communists attacked Mossadeq, the nationalists, the middle class, the merchants and even a broad swath of clerics—Islamists such as Ayatollah Abolgasem Kashani, a mentor of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini—had initially supported Mossadegh.

But by November of ’52, try as they may, the US could not make a deal with Mossadeq, who demanded 100% control of oil, which would never be accepted by Britain. The US began to agree with overthrowing the Prime Minister.

The power of the communists was increasing in Iran…and the economy suffered a downturn. Both factors caused a loss of popular support for Mossadeq- but due to the loss of support, he felt the need to gravitate toward the communists. This scared off the clergy.

Brits and the US began to send in agents provocateurs to act as communists to further cause rifts between the clergy and Mossadeq.

As compensation for his support, Ayatollah Kashani began to demand veto rights on legislation, and Islamic laws, and laws against Baha’is. Mossadeq refused, and lost the cleric’s support.

1. Due to the unrest and criticisms, Mossadeq decided to dismiss the parliament; without any constitutional or legal basis. His supporters warned him that this would allow the Shah to make recess appointments, including the Prime Ministers. He didn’t believe that the Shah would do it….he was wrong. On August 13th, 1953 the Shah signed the decree which removed Mossadeq with General Fazollah Zehedi. “When pro-Shah soldiers went to arrest Mossadegh, they instead were captured.” http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/articles/51_14-15.pdf The Shah fled to Rome.
2. By August 19th, crowds filled the streets, attacked Mossadeq’s home, and took over the radio station. The question is whether these crowds were simply concerned Iranians, nationalists, communists, as the Shah’s supporters claimed, or paid CIA operatives, and the CIA claims.

Professor Milani, using the latest declassified archival documents, suggests two things: a) the crowds were combinations of both, and b) “Although declassified CIA documents confirmed many details of his account, which Roosevelt told with the relish of a John le Carré thriller, his version was exceptionally self-serving. For instance, despite knowing little about Iranian society and speaking no Persian, Roosevelt launched by his own description an instantly potent propaganda campaign. Dwight Eisenhower, president during the 1953 coup, was to characterize Roosevelt’s report as seeming “more like a dime novel.” The CIA claimed more power that it actually had.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/5280




Anything else you'd like to know????

 

[Ringo]

"The President of Argentina, Alberto Fernandez, asked for his country's admission to the BRICS during the 14th summit of the international organization, at which the Argentine leader was present among other high-ranking guests."
Biden did not invite the leaders of Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela to his gatherings. In response, the leaders of Mexico, Bolivia, El Salvador, Honduras, and Uruguay sent foreign ministers to the United States instead, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines refused to participate, Grenada honored the high meeting with the Minister of Health.
Latin America remembers its colonial history very well. The time will come, they will repay for everything

 

[Red Front]

Gustavo Petro Wins the Election, Becoming Colombia’s First Leftist Leader

Despite the propaganda in the NYT article, Colombia has one of the best economies in Latin America and is one of the fastest growing. That is all going to change now that they elected a leftist scumbag President who pushes the same propaganda that Hugo Chavez and the Democrats push: inequality in the economy, eat the rich, ban fossil fuel, nationalize industries etc. The once great Venezuela economy is now the worst.

Bye bye Colombia. You were almost there, but once again leftist elitist liars will destroy everything. Once the people turn on them they will abandon democracy!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/colombia#country-overview

Record expansion: Colombiaâs economy grows the most in 115 years

A consumption boom and soaring prices for basics like oil, coal and coffee caused GDP to rocket 10.6% in 2021.

www.aljazeera.com

That's false. Your metric for "good economy" is when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The standard of living in Colombia doesn't get better, it just gets worse and the companies own everything. All of the natural wealth of Colombia is in the hands of private companies. All of that is going to change now. Latin America is going to free itself from American imperialism soon. No matter of sanctions or threats of war will stop that.

 

[Ringo]

"The plan of the new leftist government of Colombia to more than triple the tax on dividends could actually destroy its stock market"

Hey, Bloombergs, do you mean the parasites' "money"?

 

[surada]

Dr. Abbas Milani is the Director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. His recent book is “The Shah,” is based on ten years studying the archives of the United States and of Britain. The following is from his recent lecture on that subject.



The event that has come to define perceptions of U.S. meddling is the coup that ejected the popularly elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, in 1953. Both former secretary of state Madeleine Albright and President Obama have acknowledged America’s role in the coup in speeches that were widely taken to be apologies. http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/5280

Prior to 1951, Britain controlled Iran’s oil industry. The US foresaw how the one-sided dominance would result in a nationalist uprising, and warned Britain, but they refused to alter the agreements, claiming that they knew how to deal with the ‘natives.’

Mossedeq was the nationalist leader of the Iranian Parliament, becoming so via democratic process, and the first thing he did was nationalize the oil industry. Britain wanted to attack Iran, but Truman wouldn’t allow it. Then the Brits tried to get the Shah to use the army to throw Mossadeq out…but the Shah refused to do anything illegal.

When the communists attacked Mossadeq, the nationalists, the middle class, the merchants and even a broad swath of clerics—Islamists such as Ayatollah Abolgasem Kashani, a mentor of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini—had initially supported Mossadegh.

But by November of ’52, try as they may, the US could not make a deal with Mossadeq, who demanded 100% control of oil, which would never be accepted by Britain. The US began to agree with overthrowing the Prime Minister.

The power of the communists was increasing in Iran…and the economy suffered a downturn. Both factors caused a loss of popular support for Mossadeq- but due to the loss of support, he felt the need to gravitate toward the communists. This scared off the clergy.

Brits and the US began to send in agents provocateurs to act as communists to further cause rifts between the clergy and Mossadeq.

As compensation for his support, Ayatollah Kashani began to demand veto rights on legislation, and Islamic laws, and laws against Baha’is. Mossadeq refused, and lost the cleric’s support.

1. Due to the unrest and criticisms, Mossadeq decided to dismiss the parliament; without any constitutional or legal basis. His supporters warned him that this would allow the Shah to make recess appointments, including the Prime Ministers. He didn’t believe that the Shah would do it….he was wrong. On August 13th, 1953 the Shah signed the decree which removed Mossadeq with General Fazollah Zehedi. “When pro-Shah soldiers went to arrest Mossadegh, they instead were captured.” http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/articles/51_14-15.pdf The Shah fled to Rome.
2. By August 19th, crowds filled the streets, attacked Mossadeq’s home, and took over the radio station. The question is whether these crowds were simply concerned Iranians, nationalists, communists, as the Shah’s supporters claimed, or paid CIA operatives, and the CIA claims.

Professor Milani, using the latest declassified archival documents, suggests two things: a) the crowds were combinations of both, and b) “Although declassified CIA documents confirmed many details of his account, which Roosevelt told with the relish of a John le Carré thriller, his version was exceptionally self-serving. For instance, despite knowing little about Iranian society and speaking no Persian, Roosevelt launched by his own description an instantly potent propaganda campaign. Dwight Eisenhower, president during the 1953 coup, was to characterize Roosevelt’s report as seeming “more like a dime novel.” The CIA claimed more power that it actually had.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/5280




Anything else you'd like to know????

You completely miss the most important issue. It was the oil revenue split. Every other country was getting 50 %. Mossadgeeg didn't nationalize the Iranian oil business until the British refused to increase their revenue share.

 

[alexa]

I wonder how long the US will give him before he gets shot ?

Well they don't always get their way. They haven't managed to crack Venezuela with all their pretend presidents!