Medicaid for illegals

[Muhammed]

Considering the mountain of misinformation being circulated by trump

**** off, lying *****. Why are you lying to the forum again, TDS afflicted moron?

 

[Nostra]

No, I didn’t.

Yes, you did.

More Moroner lies.

The states. About a dozen of them. Using their own state taxpayer funds.

Why is that a problem for Republicans?

It always was funded by the states. The article doesn’t explain shit.

 

[Marener]

Moving the goalposts again, I see.

The federal government is paying at least half of Medicaid. And in CA, illegals get Medicaid.

So….you lied. You said that the Fed government doesn’t fund Medicaid.

Don’t try to deflect. You are no match for me.

The formula is more complex than that. The funding isn’t just based on matching dollars but contingent on who those dollars are spent on. FMAP only applies to people on Medicaid who have a qualified immigration status.

Don’t get cocky. I know much more about this than you do.

 

[Marener]

Yes, you did.

More Moroner lies.

The context of these comments is Medicaid funding for illegal immigrants.

I’m done responding to your bullshit trolling.

 

[Dekster]

I really wouldn't care if we provided it to everyone for emergency medicine, but still 6% is still a pretty big error rate and worth pursuing if we are not providing it to all.

 

[Donald H]

America invites illegal immigrants in to work by the millions, but is trying to deny them health care.

This is the reason why fascism doesn't work.

It didn't work for Nazi Germany with the Jews either.

 

[Unkotare]

I wonder how many anchor babies we need to deport?

There are none.

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh it gets better. BULLDOG told me this morning that we need cheap labor for farms. They're just not far from brown people picking cotton, are they? Well, it's who they are at heart. We know this.

The way our systems work, we do need cheep labor to maintain farming production. I'm not saying that is ideal, or the way things should remain. However, we do need to continue harvesting crops during the transition. Do you want to just shut our farms down until we work out how to improve things?

 

[SweetSue92]

The way our systems work, we do need cheep labor to maintain farming production. I'm not saying that is ideal, or the way things should remain. However, we do need to continue harvesting crops during the transition. Do you want to just shut our farms down until we work out how to improve things?

well, now, after the Civil War we figured out what to do about the cotton and tobacco, didn't we? Or did we need another year or five to "transition"?

 

[debbiedowner]

More right-wing bullshit.

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Other key findings:

• For every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue. On the flip side, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who are deported, public services stand to lose $8.9 billion in tax revenue.
• Providing access to work authorization to all current undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions by $40.2 billion per year, to $136.9 billion.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants are toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs – like Social Security and Medicare – that these workers are barred from accessing.
• Similarly, income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens; as one example, they are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits like the Child Tax Credit or Earned Income Tax Credit.
• Six states – California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, and New Jersey – raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders.
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.

Study: Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year

Contact: Jon Whiten (jon@itep.org) Immigration policies have taken center stage in public debates this year, but much of the conversation…

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They don't care.

If some of these 40-50 year old on this board live long enough to collect SS (if it's still there) they will receive less benefits than I'm receiving today. If less people pay in the lower it goes. Yea, their old argument is the illegals don't pay SS. Some probably don't but more do than don't. It's a plus if they're using another's SS number because that illegal will not be collecting.

 

[defcon4]

I said the federal government doesn’t fund it.

So, if the federal government doesn't fund Medicaid, then what's the problem with the federal government cutting Medicaid funding?

 

[BULLDOG]

well, now, after the Civil War we figured out what to do about the cotton and tobacco, didn't we? Or did we need another year or five to "transition"?

We figured it out by paying the slaves little to nothing to continue working at the same jobs they had always done. . If we had deported all the slaves like you advocate for undocumented workers, it would have never worked.

 

[debbiedowner]

Considering the mountain of misinformation being circulated by trump and conservative media in an attempt to 1. further demonize immigrants 2. take the attention away from the bill's primary objective.....permanent tax cuts for the rich, this article is worth a thorough read.

Confusion persists about immigrants’ eligibility for federal programs, with about half or more of U.S. adults and immigrants adults saying they are unsure or incorrectly believe that most immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to enroll in federal health insurance programs, including Medicaid, as soon as they arrive to the U.S. Eligibility for Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) is limited to citizens and certain lawfully present immigrants. Many citizens and lawfully present immigrants live in families with mixed immigration status, which may include undocumented immigrants. For example, 19 million or one in four children in the U.S. has an immigrant parent, including one in ten (12%) or 9 million who are citizen children with a noncitizen parent. Although most immigrant families have a full-time worker in the household, they tend to have lower incomes. As such, Medicaid and CHIP help keep uninsured rates for children in these families low and provide an affordable coverage option to eligible lawfully present immigrants. Despite having lower incomes, among those under age 65, immigrants are less likely than U.S.-born citizens to have Medicaid or CHIP coverage (19% vs. 23%) and eligible noncitizen immigrants account for just 6% of Medicaid and CHIP enrollees.

5 Key Facts About Immigrants and Medicaid | KFF

Confusion persists about immigrants’ eligibility for federal programs, with about half or more of U.S. adults and immigrants adults saying they are unsure or incorrectly believe that most immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to enroll in federal health insurance programs, including Medicaid, as...

www.kff.org

Hopefully it will serve to dispel many of the lies trump fans have accepted as the truth.

Well, you know maga only believes what they are told to believe.

 

[Thinker101]

They don't care.

If some of these 40-50 year old on this board live long enough to collect SS (if it's still there) they will receive less benefits than I'm receiving today. If less people pay in the lower it goes. Yea, their old argument is the illegals don't pay SS. Some probably don't but more do than don't. It's a plus if they're using another's SS number because that illegal will not be collecting.

Sure, lie, cheat and steal....you must be a Democrat.

 

[SweetSue92]

We figured it out by paying the slaves little to nothing to continue working at the same jobs they had always done. . If we had deported all the slaves like you advocate for undocumented workers, it would have never worked.

They were brought here against their will. Very different from people breaking in ILLEGALLY. That's first.

Secondly, what you're saying is, we paid them a LITTLE MORE. We didn't say, hey what now? Well we'll just let slavery go on a bit more.....til we figure it out.

That's really a repellant argument; if you were morally offended by cheap farm labor for brown people you would see that. But you're a liberal, so......

 

[debbiedowner]

Well, you know maga only believes what they are told to believe.

uke may be that one maga that doesn't follow the leader. So be it, but you've been around long enough on this forum to know 99% will believe what they are told. Both sides.

 

[IM2]

well, now, after the Civil War we figured out what to do about the cotton and tobacco, didn't we? Or did we need another year or five to "transition"?

Sharecropping. That's how they figured it out. Slavery by another name.

People like you teach our kids, then talk about how terrible our pubic schools are.

 

[Marener]

So, if the federal government doesn't fund Medicaid, then what's the problem with the federal government cutting Medicaid funding?

Can you ******* morons pay attention to the context of a discussion? Jesus. It’s like we have to spell everything out for you.

Feds don’t pay for illegal aliens on Medicaid.

Some states expanded Medicaid to some illegal aliens with their own funding.

 

[BULLDOG]

Sharecropping. That's how they figured it out. Slavery by another name.

People like you teach our kids, then talk about how terrible our pubic schools are.

Farming on the half was another term for it.

 

[Marener]

So, if the federal government doesn't fund Medicaid, then what's the problem with the federal government cutting Medicaid funding?

Can you ******* morons pay attention to the context of a discussion? Jesus. It’s like we have to spell everything out for you.

Feds don’t pay for illegal aliens on Medicaid.

Some states expanded Medicaid to some illegal aliens with their own funding.