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not posting links equals BIGOTRY and MORAL COWARDICE? --
sheeeesh
BTW you got that link to support YOUR ASSERTION that muslims
are MORE LIKELY than other groups to report hate crimes?
No one said it did Rosie, try to keep up.
oh typo!!!!! I had asked for you to post a link to your assertion
that MUSLIMS ARE LESS LIKELY THAN OTHER GROUPS---to
report hate crimes--------this is the second time I am asking for that
link-------the question above was mis-written try to keep up
Link was posted. Not my fault if you don't read through the thread.
I read the link you posted------it did not make the claim that you made----
it was a kind of CONJECTURE----that immigrant groups IN GENERAL---
avoid making waves and are afraid of cops------it was no evidence of anything
at all. certainly did not indicate that muslims are PARTICULARLY RETICENT
IN THE FACE OF ABUSE--------in fact------they ain't reticent about anything
regarding their own perceived "rights"
It stated that certain immigrant groups, amongst them Middle Easterners, might be less reluctant to report. Most Middle Easterners are Muslim. Recent immigrants in general are less likely to report hate crimes.
Do you have a link to show they are less reticient?
Hate crimes are grossly underreported and Muslims are less likely to report it. And yes - hate crimes against Jews are higher than those against Muslim. However - anti-Muslim hate crimes have gone up, hugely, since 9/11 Anti-Muslim hate crimes are still five times more common today than before 9 11 - The Washington Post Even when you take into acount the spike that followed 9/11 it is still many times higher than before. Hate crimes against Muslims are the second largest group of religious crimes.
And again: I always assumed attacks against ANY innocent people mattered and no one life weighed more than another.
do you have a link to support your assertion that muslims are "LESS LIKELY"
to report hate crimes against themselves?
Statistics - Muslim Public Affairs Council
According to the LACCHR'S 2003 report, many immigrant groups including Asians, Middle Easterners and Latinos, are likely to under-report hate crimes against them for several cultural reasons, such as reluctance to contact authorities, lack of familiarity with hate crime laws, etc.
muslim Public Affairs Council has it's origins in the muslim Brotherhood as does CAIR
MPAC claims that Islam is a religion of peace and moderation, and contends that Muslim extremists are no more numerous or dangerous than fundamentalists in any other faith. “There are radical Christian, Jewish and Hindu movements, too,” says MPAC, “which are also capable of slaughtering innocents.” On occasion, MPAC has publicly condemned Islamic suicide bombings. These condemnations, however, are invariably accompanied by endorsements of Muslim “resistance” and “armed struggle” which MPAC frames as justified retribution against prior Israeli or Western transgressions.
Holding Israel entirely responsible for the "pattern of violence" in the Middle East, MPAC asserts that Hezbollah “could be called a liberation movement.” The Council likens Hezbollah members to American “freedom fighters hundreds of years ago whom the British regarded as terrorists.” In a November 1997 speech at the University of Pennsylvania, MPAC Co-Founder and Executive Director Salam Al-Marayati steadfastlyrefused to call Hezbollah a terrorist organization; he justified the existence of Hamasas a political entity and a provider of social programs and “educational operations”; and he equated jihad with the sentiments of the American statesman Patrick Henry, whose “Give me liberty or give me death” declaration was, in Al-Marayati’s view, “a way of looking at the term jihad from an American perspective.” In a 1999 position paper, MPAC justified Hezbollah’s deadly 1983 bombing of the American Marine barracks in Lebanon as a "military operation" rather than a terrorist attack. As Maher Hathout puts it: "Hezbollah is fighting for freedom, an organized army, limiting its operations against military people, this is a legitimate target against occupation. … this is legitimate, this is an American value -- freedom and liberty."MPAC’s worldview is further revealed by its many additional public statements on a wide array of issues and events:
- According to MPAC: “Israel was established by terrorism”; its founding “involved the unjust and illegal usurpation of Muslim and Christian land and rights”; and “to recognize the legitimacy of that crime is a crime in itself.”
- MPAC characterizes Israel as a “racist, chauvinistic and militaristic” state that is prosecuting “a war to steal land from Palestinians, to decimate their leadership, to humiliate the Palestinian people.”
- Condemning Israel’s “apartheid-like ideology,” MPAC warns: “History shows that Muslim and Christian religious rights are not safe under Israeli occupation.”
- Israelis are “the worst terrorists in the world,” says MPAC, “… Yet Israel is not found on the list of state sponsors of terrorism in the [U.S.] State Department Report on Terrorism.”
- MPAC co-sponsored pro-Palestinian rallies in the fall of 2000, where MPAC speakers chanted “Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews, the Army of Muhammed is coming for you!” The rally featured literature and many placards calling for the annihilation of the Jews and Israel.
- A few hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, MPAC Co-Founder Salam Al-Marayati told a Los Angeles talk radio audience: "If we're going to look at suspects, we should look at the groups that benefit the most from these kinds of incidents, and I think we should put the state of Israel on the suspect list because I think this diverts attention from what's happening in the Palestinian territories so that they can go on with their aggression and occupation and apartheid policies."
- MPAC speakers regularly complain that the U.S. is “dominated” by Zionists and favors Jews over Muslims.
- Opposed to efforts to shut down Islamic charities that fund terrorism -- alleging that such efforts interfere with freedom of religion and the exercise of the Muslim obligation to give to charity -- MPAC states that the U.S. government should instead investigate what it terms Jewish “terrorists” like the Jewish Defense League. The Council signed and sponsored a petition to reinstate the assets of Hamas’ charitable front, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, after it was designated as a front for terrorist financing.
- According to MPAC, “A major threat to the safety of the Muslim community is the Islam-bashing that has been very evident since 9/11. There has been a steady stream of attacks on the Quran … These attacks are vicious, mean-spirited, and politically motivated. … [T]he most sustained and vitriolic [attacks] are from right-wing Christian groups led by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.”
- The MPAC 2002 Annual Banquet featured Ali Al-Mazrui, a SUNY-Binghamton professor who said: "There is also suspicion that some members of the Bush administration in collusion with Israel are more than ready to plunge the Middle East into turmoil in the hope that the final outcome would be to the territorial advantage of Israel and the strategic advantage of the United States. All this is part of the emerging external sadism of the United States, a readiness to hurt others abroad."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6177
That's a real unbiased source isn't it?
you got some examples of that "bigot" thing and "moral cowardice" thing------
uhm-----among the various empty phrases you like to TOSS about, coyote?
Funny thing about this "faux Islamophobia". It's resulted in quite a few attacks against Muslims and mosques throughout Europe.
do you have any links to the attacks on mosques and muslims Coyote . I know of an imam in Australia that staged an attack on his mosque to garner sympathy . Course Australia isn't Europe or England but I believe that lots of mosque attacks are done by muslims . I mean any attack on a muslim imported to Europe is bad but I'd like to see links to info about these attacks . Checkout 'sheik hilalli' for info on the Australian mosque attack that I mention .
Anti-Muslim Attacks Nearly Double in Britain
German Muslim council warns of rise in anti-Islam attacks News DW.DE 24.01.2015
15 Anti-Muslim Attacks Reported in France Since Charlie Hebdo News teleSUR
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/w...r-anti-muslim-sentiment-finds-a-foothold.html
Paris shootings The backlash begins against French Muslims - Telegraph
Anti-Muslim violence A wakeup call for European governments
Anti-Muslim sentiments on the rise says US report - World - DAWN.COM
Germany s anti-Islam marches The uprising of the decent The Economist
FBI Dramatic Spike in Hate Crimes Targeting Muslims Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.newsweek.com/80-anti-muslim-attacks-france-against-women-says-report-307389
British Muslim school children suffering a backlash of abuse following Paris attacks - Education News - Education - The Independent
do you have any links to the attacks on mosques and muslims Coyote . I know of an imam in Australia that staged an attack on his mosque to garner sympathy . Course Australia isn't Europe or England but I believe that lots of mosque attacks are done by muslims . I mean any attack on a muslim imported to Europe is bad but I'd like to see links to info about these attacks . Checkout 'sheik hilalli' for info on the Australian mosque attack that I mention .
Anti-Muslim Attacks Nearly Double in Britain
German Muslim council warns of rise in anti-Islam attacks News DW.DE 24.01.2015
15 Anti-Muslim Attacks Reported in France Since Charlie Hebdo News teleSUR
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/w...r-anti-muslim-sentiment-finds-a-foothold.html
Paris shootings The backlash begins against French Muslims - Telegraph
Anti-Muslim violence A wakeup call for European governments
Anti-Muslim sentiments on the rise says US report - World - DAWN.COM
Germany s anti-Islam marches The uprising of the decent The Economist
FBI Dramatic Spike in Hate Crimes Targeting Muslims Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.newsweek.com/80-anti-muslim-attacks-france-against-women-says-report-307389
British Muslim school children suffering a backlash of abuse following Paris attacks - Education News - Education - The Independent
All in retaliation to Islamic attacks, which shows the level of feeling in Europe today. You in America have not seen the violence an aggression muslims are capable of, or to what extremes they will go to in getting their own way.We are sick and tired of children being raped, beaten, murdered and forcibly converted.
How about the black violence when police officers shoot black criminals in the US, that is what happens with left wing appeasement of immigrants
Does that mean that most of those anti-semitic attacks are perpetrated by Jews?'MIGHT' be less likely to report . probably because they don't want to be caught as being the perpetrators Coyote . 'MIGHT be ' sounds like 'weasel words' to me !!
Sikhs are often targeted because ignorant people think they are Muslims.
Here's some examples of non-existent Islamophobia (guess they just slapped a kid)
History of Hate Crimes Against Sikhs Since 9 11
Sept. 15, 2001 -- Mesa, Ariz.: Four days after the infamous attacks of 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a 49-year-old Sikh, is shot and killed outside the gas station he owned by Frank Silva Roque. When police approached to arrest him, Roque says, “I'm a patriot and an American. I'm American. I'm a damn American.” [More from HuffPost.]
Nov. 18, 2001 -- Palermo, N.Y.: Three teens burn down Gobind Sadan, a gurdwara (Sikh temple) in New York, because they thought it was named for Osama bin Laden. [More from BeliefNet and Tribune of India.]
Dec. 12, 2001 -- Los Angeles, Calif.: Surinder Singh Sidhi, a liquor store owner in Los Angeles who took to wearing an American flag turban after 9/11 out of fear of being attacked, is beaten in his store by two men who accuse of him of being Osama bin Laden. [More from Real Sikhism.]
Aug. 6, 2002 -- Daly City, Calif.: Sukhpal Singh, brother of Balbir Singh Sodhi, who was the first Sikh murdered following 9/11, is shot while driving his cab. [More from HuffPost, Real Sikhism and Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund.]
May 20, 2003 -- Phoenix, Ariz.: Fifty-two-year-old Sikh immigrant and truck driver Avtar Singh is shot in his 18-wheeler while waiting for his son to pick him up. As he is being shot, he hears someone say: “Go back to where you belong.” [More from Real Sikhism.]
July 12, 2004 -- New York, N.Y.: Rajinder Singh Khalsa and Gurcharan Singh, cousins on their way to dinner at a restaurant, are beaten by two drunk white twentysomething men. The attackers describe Gurcharan’s turban as a “curtain.” When Rajinder tries to intervene, saying that Sikhs are peaceful, he is beaten unconscious and suffers a fractured eye socket, among other injuries. [More from Real Sikhism.]
Jan. 14, 2008 -- New Hyde Park, N.Y.: A 63-year-old Sikh, Baljeet Singh, has his jaw and nose broken when attacked outside his temple by a man who lived next-door. David Wood, the attacker, had apparently disturbed members of the gurdwara in the past. [More from United Sikhs.]
Jan. 30, 2009 -- Queens, N.Y.: Three men attack Jasmir Singh outside of a grocery store. Racial slurs are heard. A broken glass bottle is used. Singh loses vision in his left eye. [More from NY Daily News and United Sikhs.]
Aug. 5, 2012 -- Oak Creek, Wis.: A gunman is shot dead by police after he opened fire in a gurdwara during Sikh prayer services, killing six. [More from HuffPost.]
there are some americans who cannot TOLERATE those turbans-----I learned about that issue a very long time ago when I was young (and beautiful) I worked in a hospital out in the STICKS that had lots of young docs from southeast asia---several SIKHS-------lots of the HICKS out there seemed very upset by the TURBAN-----the turban and the black beard and ----the chin strap and the bracelet-------they acted as if they thought the Sikhs had invaded from mars.
As to Sikhs being attacked in QUEENS , NY-------it is more likely that the attackers are muslims. Sikhs are regularly attacked by muslims in the province PUNJAB.
(Sikhs told me) Part of the Punjab province is in India and part in Pakistan
do you have any links to the attacks on mosques and muslims Coyote . I know of an imam in Australia that staged an attack on his mosque to garner sympathy . Course Australia isn't Europe or England but I believe that lots of mosque attacks are done by muslims . I mean any attack on a muslim imported to Europe is bad but I'd like to see links to info about these attacks . Checkout 'sheik hilalli' for info on the Australian mosque attack that I mention .
Anti-Muslim Attacks Nearly Double in Britain
German Muslim council warns of rise in anti-Islam attacks News DW.DE 24.01.2015
15 Anti-Muslim Attacks Reported in France Since Charlie Hebdo News teleSUR
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/w...r-anti-muslim-sentiment-finds-a-foothold.html
Paris shootings The backlash begins against French Muslims - Telegraph
Anti-Muslim violence A wakeup call for European governments
Anti-Muslim sentiments on the rise says US report - World - DAWN.COM
Germany s anti-Islam marches The uprising of the decent The Economist
FBI Dramatic Spike in Hate Crimes Targeting Muslims Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.newsweek.com/80-anti-muslim-attacks-france-against-women-says-report-307389
British Muslim school children suffering a backlash of abuse following Paris attacks - Education News - Education - The Independent
All in retaliation to Islamic attacks, which shows the level of feeling in Europe today. You in America have not seen the violence an aggression muslims are capable of, or to what extremes they will go to in getting their own way.We are sick and tired of children being raped, beaten, murdered and forcibly converted.
How about the black violence when police officers shoot black criminals in the US, that is what happens with left wing appeasement of immigrants
Amazing. You defend attacks and murders of innocent people as justifiable.
No one said it did Rosie, try to keep up.
oh typo!!!!! I had asked for you to post a link to your assertion
that MUSLIMS ARE LESS LIKELY THAN OTHER GROUPS---to
report hate crimes--------this is the second time I am asking for that
link-------the question above was mis-written try to keep up
Link was posted. Not my fault if you don't read through the thread.
I read the link you posted------it did not make the claim that you made----
it was a kind of CONJECTURE----that immigrant groups IN GENERAL---
avoid making waves and are afraid of cops------it was no evidence of anything
at all. certainly did not indicate that muslims are PARTICULARLY RETICENT
IN THE FACE OF ABUSE--------in fact------they ain't reticent about anything
regarding their own perceived "rights"
It stated that certain immigrant groups, amongst them Middle Easterners, might be less reluctant to report. Most Middle Easterners are Muslim. Recent immigrants in general are less likely to report hate crimes.
Do you have a link to show they are less reticient?
Immigrants from the middle east include Christians, jews and muslims ----you got
a link to the PROPORTIONS OF THOSE NEW IMMIGRANTS WHO ****might***
be Christians or jews or muslims who ***MIGHT*** be less likely to
report hate crimes? I cannot conceive of a citation any weaker
than the one that galvanized your idiotic assertion
do you have any links to the attacks on mosques and muslims Coyote . I know of an imam in Australia that staged an attack on his mosque to garner sympathy . Course Australia isn't Europe or England but I believe that lots of mosque attacks are done by muslims . I mean any attack on a muslim imported to Europe is bad but I'd like to see links to info about these attacks . Checkout 'sheik hilalli' for info on the Australian mosque attack that I mention .
Anti-Muslim Attacks Nearly Double in Britain
German Muslim council warns of rise in anti-Islam attacks News DW.DE 24.01.2015
15 Anti-Muslim Attacks Reported in France Since Charlie Hebdo News teleSUR
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/w...r-anti-muslim-sentiment-finds-a-foothold.html
Paris shootings The backlash begins against French Muslims - Telegraph
Anti-Muslim violence A wakeup call for European governments
Anti-Muslim sentiments on the rise says US report - World - DAWN.COM
Germany s anti-Islam marches The uprising of the decent The Economist
FBI Dramatic Spike in Hate Crimes Targeting Muslims Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.newsweek.com/80-anti-muslim-attacks-france-against-women-says-report-307389
British Muslim school children suffering a backlash of abuse following Paris attacks - Education News - Education - The Independent
All in retaliation to Islamic attacks, which shows the level of feeling in Europe today. You in America have not seen the violence an aggression muslims are capable of, or to what extremes they will go to in getting their own way.We are sick and tired of children being raped, beaten, murdered and forcibly converted.
How about the black violence when police officers shoot black criminals in the US, that is what happens with left wing appeasement of immigrants
Amazing. You defend attacks and murders of innocent people as justifiable.
Don't you when it is psychopathic muslims doing the attacking. By the way who mentioned attacks on innocent people and murder, we are talking vandalism and name calling in response to psychopathic Islamic brutal attacks and murder of innocents, you know what the Palestinians are so good at when they after unarmed Israeli children
Sikhs are often targeted because ignorant people think they are Muslims.
Here's some examples of non-existent Islamophobia (guess they just slapped a kid)
History of Hate Crimes Against Sikhs Since 9 11
Sept. 15, 2001 -- Mesa, Ariz.: Four days after the infamous attacks of 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a 49-year-old Sikh, is shot and killed outside the gas station he owned by Frank Silva Roque. When police approached to arrest him, Roque says, “I'm a patriot and an American. I'm American. I'm a damn American.” [More from HuffPost.]
Nov. 18, 2001 -- Palermo, N.Y.: Three teens burn down Gobind Sadan, a gurdwara (Sikh temple) in New York, because they thought it was named for Osama bin Laden. [More from BeliefNet and Tribune of India.]
Dec. 12, 2001 -- Los Angeles, Calif.: Surinder Singh Sidhi, a liquor store owner in Los Angeles who took to wearing an American flag turban after 9/11 out of fear of being attacked, is beaten in his store by two men who accuse of him of being Osama bin Laden. [More from Real Sikhism.]
Aug. 6, 2002 -- Daly City, Calif.: Sukhpal Singh, brother of Balbir Singh Sodhi, who was the first Sikh murdered following 9/11, is shot while driving his cab. [More from HuffPost, Real Sikhism and Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund.]
May 20, 2003 -- Phoenix, Ariz.: Fifty-two-year-old Sikh immigrant and truck driver Avtar Singh is shot in his 18-wheeler while waiting for his son to pick him up. As he is being shot, he hears someone say: “Go back to where you belong.” [More from Real Sikhism.]
July 12, 2004 -- New York, N.Y.: Rajinder Singh Khalsa and Gurcharan Singh, cousins on their way to dinner at a restaurant, are beaten by two drunk white twentysomething men. The attackers describe Gurcharan’s turban as a “curtain.” When Rajinder tries to intervene, saying that Sikhs are peaceful, he is beaten unconscious and suffers a fractured eye socket, among other injuries. [More from Real Sikhism.]
Jan. 14, 2008 -- New Hyde Park, N.Y.: A 63-year-old Sikh, Baljeet Singh, has his jaw and nose broken when attacked outside his temple by a man who lived next-door. David Wood, the attacker, had apparently disturbed members of the gurdwara in the past. [More from United Sikhs.]
Jan. 30, 2009 -- Queens, N.Y.: Three men attack Jasmir Singh outside of a grocery store. Racial slurs are heard. A broken glass bottle is used. Singh loses vision in his left eye. [More from NY Daily News and United Sikhs.]
Aug. 5, 2012 -- Oak Creek, Wis.: A gunman is shot dead by police after he opened fire in a gurdwara during Sikh prayer services, killing six. [More from HuffPost.]
there are some americans who cannot TOLERATE those turbans-----I learned about that issue a very long time ago when I was young (and beautiful) I worked in a hospital out in the STICKS that had lots of young docs from southeast asia---several SIKHS-------lots of the HICKS out there seemed very upset by the TURBAN-----the turban and the black beard and ----the chin strap and the bracelet-------they acted as if they thought the Sikhs had invaded from mars.
As to Sikhs being attacked in QUEENS , NY-------it is more likely that the attackers are muslims. Sikhs are regularly attacked by muslims in the province PUNJAB.
(Sikhs told me) Part of the Punjab province is in India and part in Pakistan
If you read the links you would realize how silly your excuses are. Sikhs, in the US, have been targeted post 9/11 because people thought they were Muslim and in the cases of hate crimes - accused them of being Muslim or being like bin Laden.
People "tell" you all kind of things that seem to support your view and nothing else. How interesting.
do you have any links to the attacks on mosques and muslims Coyote . I know of an imam in Australia that staged an attack on his mosque to garner sympathy . Course Australia isn't Europe or England but I believe that lots of mosque attacks are done by muslims . I mean any attack on a muslim imported to Europe is bad but I'd like to see links to info about these attacks . Checkout 'sheik hilalli' for info on the Australian mosque attack that I mention .
Anti-Muslim Attacks Nearly Double in Britain
German Muslim council warns of rise in anti-Islam attacks News DW.DE 24.01.2015
15 Anti-Muslim Attacks Reported in France Since Charlie Hebdo News teleSUR
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/w...r-anti-muslim-sentiment-finds-a-foothold.html
Paris shootings The backlash begins against French Muslims - Telegraph
Anti-Muslim violence A wakeup call for European governments
Anti-Muslim sentiments on the rise says US report - World - DAWN.COM
Germany s anti-Islam marches The uprising of the decent The Economist
FBI Dramatic Spike in Hate Crimes Targeting Muslims Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.newsweek.com/80-anti-muslim-attacks-france-against-women-says-report-307389
British Muslim school children suffering a backlash of abuse following Paris attacks - Education News - Education - The Independent
All in retaliation to Islamic attacks, which shows the level of feeling in Europe today. You in America have not seen the violence an aggression muslims are capable of, or to what extremes they will go to in getting their own way.We are sick and tired of children being raped, beaten, murdered and forcibly converted.
How about the black violence when police officers shoot black criminals in the US, that is what happens with left wing appeasement of immigrants
Amazing. You defend attacks and murders of innocent people as justifiable.
Don't you when it is psychopathic muslims doing the attacking. By the way who mentioned attacks on innocent people and murder, we are talking vandalism and name calling in response to psychopathic Islamic brutal attacks and murder of innocents, you know what the Palestinians are so good at when they after unarmed Israeli children
When have I defended ANY psychopathic attackers? Link please.
If you bothered to read any of the links you would realize it's not vandalism and name calling.
just fer grins , --- Man arrested following business mosque bomb threats --- think that its already been posted in a different thread . Worth reposting in my opinion .
Funny thing about this "faux Islamophobia". It's resulted in quite a few attacks against Muslims and mosques throughout Europe.
