McCain Didn't Kill Healthcare Reform

[francoHFW]

Maybe he just doesn't want to GTH. Could some GOPers POSSIBLY go after the COSTS of Big Health, which after all is the problem with health care in this country? Nobody said ACA was the final cure, dupes, just a framework to finally find solutions, something to be tinkered with forever. OF course, shyttehead conservatives and their dupes will screw up things and try and scrap it forever, just like their counterparts in the UK and other places...

So then tell us why the shithead Dems did not go after costs in healthcare if that is the real problem? Why load us down with the pos called obamacare?

Because they passed it by the skin of their teeth as it was. Duhhhh....And they did go after costs, with regulation (limiting non-care spending down from 30% to 21% etc) and competition (sabotaged by the GOP in myriad ways...)...

 

[Toro]

mckain kisses mrobamas azz . --- ---

Refuting the garbage you nutters push is not kissing ass.

 

[francoHFW]

Sure, he sided with the Rats but who didn't see that coming? According to what I've read, the Senate GOP were going on the promise Paul Ryan wouldn't just let their "Skinny" plan become law in the House. But earlier in the evening, one of Ryan's aides said reconciliation "was an option"....in other words, Ryan might have done just that. And that send McCain into orbit. He may have brain cancer and be easily triggered into tirades, but he's still coherent enough not to get snookered by Paul Ryan. Here in Arizona the Medicaid money is essential to civil order and McCain wasn't about to see it vanish by a political ploy. McConnell was mysterious about the Medicaid money all week and the Turtle isn't the most trustworthy guy either.

I watched Pence approach McCain on the Senate floor just before the vote. They spoke for less than a minute when a woman came steaming up to McCain and interrupted them. Then a guy walked up to them and McCain turned to them, leaving Pence standing there being ignored. When it was clear their conversation was over, Pence took a couple steps back, clearly frustrated. Then he started to leave but stopped and turned around to look at McCain but McCain was GONE. He did this to the Vice President of the United States. I voted for McCain over the years but last year I didn't, leaving my ballot blank in the Senate race. Love him (few do) or hate him (many do), John McCain votes his conscience. He wants repeal and replace same as everybody else, but he wants it done right and for that, he must be respected.

McCain also doesn't mind handing the Dummycraps a victory either.

look derp, you are a minority not a majority ... credible legislation is passed to promote the will of the people, not the pipe dream of some damn fringe group..

get it ?

Since when have the politicians followed to will of the people? Trump really needs to drain this filthy stinking swamp!

I find it really interesting that Trump and his supporters don't know much about how our political system works. The ONLY part of the swamp in DC that Trump has any control over is who he appoints to his cabinet, and who he appoints for the various positions required. That is the ONLY place where he can "drain the swamp".

Threatening Senators like he did with Murkowski, sending over a cabinet member to tell her that Alaska could be in danger of losing some of the things that they want if she didn't vote like Trump wanted isn't following the will of the people, it's succumbing to a dictator.

Murkowski said that the reason she voted the bill down is because it would put an undue hardship on Alaskans, and she doesn't work for Trump, she works for Alaska.

If people REALLY want to drain the DC swamp, they need to elect different representatives and hope that the next president is someone who knows how to govern, because Trump sure doesn't.

Guess the Simpsons was pretty prophetic back in 2000 when Lisa Simpson was elected as POTUS and said that first thing on her agenda was fixing everything that was ruined by Trump.

You refuse to see is all. just like all your kind.

See pure lying BS propaganda as fact? Gotcha.

 

[WillowTree]

Maybe he just doesn't want to GTH. Could some GOPers POSSIBLY go after the COSTS of Big Health, which after all is the problem with health care in this country? Nobody said ACA was the final cure, dupes, just a framework to finally find solutions, something to be tinkered with forever. OF course, shyttehead conservatives and their dupes will screw up things and try and scrap it forever, just like their counterparts in the UK and other places...

So then tell us why the shithead Dems did not go after costs in healthcare if that is the real problem? Why load us down with the pos called obamacare?

Because they passed it by the skin of their teeth as it was. Duhhhh....And they did go after costs, with regulation (limiting non-care spending down from 30% to 21% etc) and competition (sabotaged by the GOP in myriad ways...)...

Sabatoge how?

 

[WillowTree]

Maybe he just doesn't want to GTH. Could some GOPers POSSIBLY go after the COSTS of Big Health, which after all is the problem with health care in this country? Nobody said ACA was the final cure, dupes, just a framework to finally find solutions, something to be tinkered with forever. OF course, shyttehead conservatives and their dupes will screw up things and try and scrap it forever, just like their counterparts in the UK and other places...

So then tell us why the shithead Dems did not go after costs in healthcare if that is the real problem? Why load us down with the pos called obamacare?

Because they passed it by the skin of their teeth as it was. Duhhhh....And they did go after costs, with regulation (limiting non-care spending down from 30% to 21% etc) and competition (sabotaged by the GOP in myriad ways...)...

So the costs must be down then right?

 

[Siete]

McCain prevented 16 million people from losing their health insurance and a 20% premium cost INCREASE ..

and dipshit partisan hacks are bitching about it

Fukem n feed em fish heads.

How would 16 million lose their healthcare? Explain that!

ask the CBO that was their analysis ..

not that you are smart enough to understand what they would tell you ...

Can't you tell me? You made the claim!

I can.

ask yourself this .. how many people are covered by medicaid too.

if the light goes off theres hope, if not find a hillary bashing thread.

 

[2aguy]

You are wrong.....he doesn't want to repeal it.....he likes obamacare and the power it gives to the government.....reconcilliation was a way to keep debating this crappy healthcare bill....he killed that...

No I'm not....I've watched McCain for years...he HATED Obama and everything he stood for...especially the ACA. And now we have a President who will sign a repeal/replace bill....McCain says do them both at the same time. It took the Rats 2 years to get Barry-Care....we have time.

And he killed it....completely.....letting it go forward would have resulted in the two houses having to negotiate for the next step....and he stopped it completely.....sorry, he is a disgusting asshole.....

 

[WillowTree]

McCain prevented 16 million people from losing their health insurance and a 20% premium cost INCREASE ..

and dipshit partisan hacks are bitching about it

Fukem n feed em fish heads.

How would 16 million lose their healthcare? Explain that!

ask the CBO that was their analysis ..

not that you are smart enough to understand what they would tell you ...

Hey! Why would I ask them? They didn't get it right with obummercare!

 

[2aguy]

I have to give it to John McCain, I disagree with with most of his politics...but he sure know how to get revenge. He knows he's not running for another term. He could have just said he was too sick to come back to vote on the motion to proceed and that would have killed it. But he saw a way to show that being captured does not make you a loser. He captured Drumpf and hung him by his own petard. He knew he would never vote to pass anything and this with all eyes were on him he said to the president..."can you hear me now"...

Yeah? When ol John sees the right plan, he'll take a machete to your Rat's grand designs to socialize medicine. Believe me when I say you have no friend and certainly no ally in John McCain.

No he won't......mccain is a republican member of the democrat party.......he had a chance here to do the right thing, and he didn't........

 

[WillowTree]

McCain prevented 16 million people from losing their health insurance and a 20% premium cost INCREASE ..

and dipshit partisan hacks are bitching about it

Fukem n feed em fish heads.

How would 16 million lose their healthcare? Explain that!

ask the CBO that was their analysis ..

not that you are smart enough to understand what they would tell you ...

Can't you tell me? You made the claim!

I can.

ask yourself this .. how many people are covered by medicaid too.

if the light goes off theres hope, if not find a hillary bashing thread.

So? The bill cuts no one from Medicaid it simply slows the expansion of Medicaid! Do you comprehend this concept?

 

[eddiew37]

Sure, he sided with the Rats but who didn't see that coming? According to what I've read, the Senate GOP were going on the promise Paul Ryan wouldn't just let their "Skinny" plan become law in the House. But earlier in the evening, one of Ryan's aides said reconciliation "was an option"....in other words, Ryan might have done just that. And that sent McCain into orbit. He may have brain cancer and be easily triggered into tirades, but he's still coherent enough not to get snookered by Paul Ryan. Here in Arizona the Medicaid money is essential to civil order and McCain wasn't about to see it vanish by a political ploy. McConnell was mysterious about the Medicaid money all week and the Turtle isn't the most trustworthy guy either.

I watched Pence approach McCain on the Senate floor just before the vote. They spoke for less than a minute when a woman came steaming up to McCain and interrupted them. Then a guy walked up to them and McCain turned to them, leaving Pence standing there being ignored. When it was clear their conversation was over, Pence took a couple steps back, clearly frustrated. Then he started to leave but stopped and turned around to look at McCain but McCain was GONE. He did this to the Vice President of the United States. I voted for McCain over the years but last year I didn't, leaving my ballot blank in the Senate race. Love him (few do) or hate him (many do), John McCain votes his conscience. He wants repeal and replace same as everybody else, but he wants it done right and for that, he must be respected.

Sorry Tom...he does this all the damn time. Pulls defeat from the jaws of victory. This senate bill was stupid but it was a foot in the door. Now the door is shut and locked. If it was a tax bill or some idiotic environment bill that would be one thing but this is healthcare. There are people suffering due to a lack of affordable coverage. No pass for John McCain this time. What he did he did out of spite for Trump not for what was best for America. He is the most vengeful SOB in the senate and he proved that hands or thumbs down last night. He can not go away fast enough for me.

Have to disagree He deserves the medal of freedom He stopped repub BS right in it's tracks

 

[francoHFW]

McCain prevented 16 million people from losing their health insurance and a 20% premium cost INCREASE ..

and dipshit partisan hacks are bitching about it

Fukem n feed em fish heads.

How would 16 million lose their healthcare? Explain that!

I guess we cannot expect an answer to this claim huh?

Do you have a computer, dupe?

In a hasty analysis sought by the Senate’s Democrats, congressional budget analysts are estimating that the changes would leave an additional 1 million Americans uninsured this year because consumers would immediately become free to drop coverage. The loss of insurance would quickly swell to 15 million in 2018, mainly among people who buy health plans on their own — the kind of coverage sold through the Affordable Care Act’s marketplaces — or through their jobs.

At the end of the coming decade, 16 million extra people would be uninsured, according to the nonpartisan budget scorekeepers. That is almost three-fourths of the 22 million extra people the analysts predicted would be uninsured under the Better Care Reconciliation Act, the much broader Senate Republican bill that would unwind much of the Affordable Care Act and substitute new policies. The Senate, including nine Republicans, rejected that bill in a vote Tuesday night.


Under the skinny version, the largest additional segment of people without coverage in 2026 would be 7 million who otherwise would be on Medicaid, the public insurance program for low-income Americans. That’s even though the skinny plan would not touch Medicaid’s rules or funding. The broader GOP health-care legislation would reduce Medicaid recipients that year by 15 million. That broader bill would abolish the Affordable Care Act’s expansion and, for the first time in Medicaid’s half-century history, start in a few years to restrict funding for the program as a whole.

For people who buy their own health policies, the skinny plan would cause 5 million fewer Americans to have coverage in a decade — the same as under the broader bill.

[Five things to know about the Senate’s bid to unwind the ACA]

‘Skinny repeal’ of Obamacare would leave 16 million more people uninsured in a decade

 

[eddiew37]

I have to give it to John McCain, I disagree with with most of his politics...but he sure know how to get revenge. He knows he's not running for another term. He could have just said he was too sick to come back to vote on the motion to proceed and that would have killed it. But he saw a way to show that being captured does not make you a loser. He captured Drumpf and hung him by his own petard. He knew he would never vote to pass anything and this with all eyes were on him he said to the president..."can you hear me now"...

Yeah? When ol John sees the right plan, he'll take a machete to your Rat's grand designs to socialize medicine. Believe me when I say you have no friend and certainly no ally in John McCain.

No he won't......mccain is a republican member of the democrat party.......he had a chance here to do the right thing, and he didn't........

God will bless him even if republicans won't

 

[WillowTree]

Let's conclude with this FACT. The democrats know they fucked up the healthcare and the economy. That is why they are now on TV screaming " let's work together." Fuck then, they should have voted to undo what they had done. Fuck them and John McCain too.

 

[francoHFW]

McCain prevented 16 million people from losing their health insurance and a 20% premium cost INCREASE ..

and dipshit partisan hacks are bitching about it

Fukem n feed em fish heads.

How would 16 million lose their healthcare? Explain that!

ask the CBO that was their analysis ..

not that you are smart enough to understand what they would tell you ...

Can't you tell me? You made the claim!

I can.

ask yourself this .. how many people are covered by medicaid too.

if the light goes off theres hope, if not find a hillary bashing thread.

So? The bill cuts no one from Medicaid it simply slows the expansion of Medicaid! Do you comprehend this concept?

WRONG.

 

[WillowTree]

McCain prevented 16 million people from losing their health insurance and a 20% premium cost INCREASE ..

and dipshit partisan hacks are bitching about it

Fukem n feed em fish heads.

How would 16 million lose their healthcare? Explain that!

I guess we cannot expect an answer to this claim huh?

Do you have a computer, dupe?

In a hasty analysis sought by the Senate’s Democrats, congressional budget analysts are estimating that the changes would leave an additional 1 million Americans uninsured this year because consumers would immediately become free to drop coverage. The loss of insurance would quickly swell to 15 million in 2018, mainly among people who buy health plans on their own — the kind of coverage sold through the Affordable Care Act’s marketplaces — or through their jobs.

At the end of the coming decade, 16 million extra people would be uninsured, according to the nonpartisan budget scorekeepers. That is almost three-fourths of the 22 million extra people the analysts predicted would be uninsured under the Better Care Reconciliation Act, the much broader Senate Republican bill that would unwind much of the Affordable Care Act and substitute new policies. The Senate, including nine Republicans, rejected that bill in a vote Tuesday night.


Under the skinny version, the largest additional segment of people without coverage in 2026 would be 7 million who otherwise would be on Medicaid, the public insurance program for low-income Americans. That’s even though the skinny plan would not touch Medicaid’s rules or funding. The broader GOP health-care legislation would reduce Medicaid recipients that year by 15 million. That broader bill would abolish the Affordable Care Act’s expansion and, for the first time in Medicaid’s half-century history, start in a few years to restrict funding for the program as a whole.

For people who buy their own health policies, the skinny plan would cause 5 million fewer Americans to have coverage in a decade — the same as under the broader bill.

[Five things to know about the Senate’s bid to unwind the ACA]

‘Skinny repeal’ of Obamacare would leave 16 million more people uninsured in a decade

Did they get it right with obummercare?

 

[WillowTree]

If obummercare is so great it will not implode! Let us see!

 

[Staidhup]

McCain hammered in the last nail of the entitled beltway GOP RINO wing of the GOP.
My only hope is that he has a long life so he, as with others, can bare witness to the damage they have done.

 

[eddiew37]

If obummercare is so great it will not implode! Let us see!

It can if Trump wants to F Up 20 million or more people

 

[WillowTree]

If obummercare is so great it will not implode! Let us see!

It can if Trump wants to F Up 20 million or more people

What? He should not touch obummercare right? Hands off! It will not implode! Right?