Mauna Loa shows that reducing economic Activity has NO EFFECT on CO2

[CrusaderFrank]

It's OK for the AGW'er to come out now. This shows your concerns were misplaced

 

[alang1216]

How much is sea level changing?

I guess you deny Google too?

 

[alang1216]

They weren't build underwater, yet here we are

Where are they? With any climate change there will be some winners and some losers. I'd like to ensure my family are among the former.

 

[alang1216]

DUH!!

State of the Beach/State Reports/FL/Beach Erosion

www.beachapedia.org

Useless link. There is a difference between knowing the RATE of erosion and knowing the CAUSE of erosion. Your link gives the former but not the latter.

 

[alang1216]

Florida has been rebuilding its beaches due to erosion since the 1930's mostly on a city by city basis. In the 1950's it was decided that the effort to restore Florida beaches had to be done at the state level. Here is one of the first organizations to recruit the state of Florida in the fight against beach erosion:

"The Florida Shore & Beach Preservation Association was organized in 1957 at a meeting of 37 local government and university leaders concerned about the growing problem of beach erosion that had virtually destroyed important resort beaches such as Miami Beach."

About Us - Florida Shore and Beach Preservation Association

www.fsbpa.com

.

So why are the beaches eroding?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where are they? With any climate change there will be some winners and some losers. I'd like to ensure my family are among the former.

That's honorable, stay with that.

Take a clear, honest look at "climate change"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I guess you deny Google too?

4 inches in 27 years?

 

[Turtlesoup]

Man has adapted the world as it is, any changes in sea level will be catastrophic for many countries. An Florida.

Bullshit---stop drinking the kool-aid.
CO2 is great for plants----and of the green house gases, it is but a tiny tiny percentage. It is to tiny to raise temperatures. WATER VAPER might since it is far more plentiful. Largest greenhouse gas is WATER VAPER by far and away. We are in a cooling cycle btw---we tend to spend a few years cooler, then a few years warmer, then we go back to cooler only to return warmer over and over and over again.

This said, there have been many periods where CO2 levels were very high--------they tend to LAG behind a warming period as ice and permafrost melt releasing their stores of CO2 into the atmosphere---------the EARTH always cools off following them.

 

[Decus]

So why are the beaches eroding?

Tides, waves, currents, storms....:

"Florida's active beach nourishment program began in 1935 with the beneficial placement of approximately 1.3 Mcy (1 M m3) of sand dredged from the St. Andrews inlet channel and construction of the Panama City Jetties, along Panama City Beach in the Florida panhandle. The largest project also occurred here in 1999 after Hurricane Opal, when 9.1 Mcy (7 M m3) was placed along 18 mi (29 km) of beach."

"Florida's beach nourishment program expanded significantly in the 1970's (Fig. 8) as a result of the involvement of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which began constructing Beach Erosion Control Projects in 1969 with the first Florida project on Treasure Island in Pinellas County. The USACE also constructed the Miami Beach nourishment project, which was completed in 1982."

A century of U.S. beach nourishment

This study analyzed decadal and regional trends in one type of shore protection method: beach nourishment, since its beginning in the U.S. nearly 100 …

www.sciencedirect.com

Here is a movie released in 1970 by the State of Florida explaining the value our beaches and the problem of beach erosion. Mention of beach erosion begins at about the 5 minute mark in the video:

https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/232442

.

 

[alang1216]

That's honorable, stay with that.

Take a clear, honest look at "climate change"

I did. I took a trip to Iceland and touched a glacier that has receded thousands of meters in recorded history, most in the last 50 years. That water is now in the ocean.

 

[alang1216]

4 inches in 27 years?

Yeah I know, frightening since a small increase in MSL is magnified in coastal erosion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I did. I took a trip to Iceland and touched a glacier that has receded thousands of meters in recorded history, most in the last 50 years. That water is now in the ocean.

You miss the good old days, when glaciers were advancing, don't you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah I know, frightening since a small increase in MSL is magnified in coastal erosion.

Any evidence sea level rise since the Industrial Revolution is causing extra coastal erosion?

 

[alang1216]

Bullshit---stop drinking the kool-aid.
CO2 is great for plants----and of the green house gases, it is but a tiny tiny percentage. It is to tiny to raise temperatures. WATER VAPER might since it is far more plentiful. Largest greenhouse gas is WATER VAPER by far and away. We are in a cooling cycle btw---we tend to spend a few years cooler, then a few years warmer, then we go back to cooler only to return warmer over and over and over again.

This said, there have been many periods where CO2 levels were very high--------they tend to LAG behind a warming period as ice and permafrost melt releasing their stores of CO2 into the atmosphere---------the EARTH always cools off following them.

There are cycles within cycles so it is hard to parse what is happening but go to a glacier and see how much it has receded. No matter the cause it is a warning sign.

 

[alang1216]

Tides, waves, currents, storms....:

Tides, waves and currents are also the builders of beaches, depending on whether the MSL is rising or falling.

 

[alang1216]

Any evidence sea level rise since the Industrial Revolution is causing extra coastal erosion?

Plenty, thanks for asking.

Sea level rise increases the potential for erosion by allowing waves to penetrate further inland, even during calm weather (Zhang et al. 2004)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Plenty, thanks for asking.

Sea level rise increases the potential for erosion by allowing waves to penetrate further inland, even during calm weather (Zhang et al. 2004)

The global average rise has been about eight inches since the Industrial Revolution.

LOL!!!

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[alang1216]

The global average rise has been about eight inches since the Industrial Revolution.

LOL!!!

Thanks for the laugh.

Eight VERTICAL inches would translate to HORIZONTAL erosion many, many times that. A good rule of thumb is that every inch of sea level rise results in the loss of about 2.5 meters (100 inches) of beach. That translates for the US of every inch of sea level rise equals 675,000 square meters of coast being lost. Still laughing?

 

[Decus]

Tides, waves and currents are also the builders of beaches, depending on whether the MSL is rising or falling.

Do you understand how stupid your statement is???

So what was the mean sea level along the Florida east coast and gulf coast from 1930 to 1970 that prompted beach erosion during that period?

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Eight VERTICAL inches would translate to HORIZONTAL erosion many, many times that. A good rule of thumb is that every inch of sea level rise results in the loss of about 2.5 meters (100 inches) of beach. That translates for the US of every inch of sea level rise equals 675,000 square meters of coast being lost. Still laughing?

Yes.
Hilarious!