Massie has a great idea for getting the names of miscreants out there from the Epstein files

[jacksonlamb]

They're not even good talking points.

But you're right, when he does approach coherence, he's a statist authoritarian - more like a typical Democrat than a real conservative.

More like a typical Republican. Corrected it for you.

 

[Godboy]

No, he would not, and you have no idea what the chances are of conviction.

The chances of conviction have been ZERO for the past decade. If something convictable was in there, they would have already convicted them.

 

[YoursTruly]

What are Massie's main accomplishments in bringing about fiscal conservatism?

Voting against massive spending bills. Against unconstitutional legislation. Authoring and introducing conservative legislation. Exposing the corruption in both parties.

Things he was elected to do.

Y'all keep harping on "accomplishments" as if one congressman is supposed to wield all this power and influence and get things passed that goes against the corruption.
His record of accomplishment would be far greater if he introduced massive spending & unconstitutional legislation & amendments.

Here's a few that's collecting dust on Johnsons desk. And you might ask why Trump & Johnson isn't pushing for them.

H.R. 899 – To terminate the Department of Education (reintroduced in the 119th Congress)
H.R. 1846 – Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (119th Congress)

Amendments:

H.Amdt. 155 to H.R. 7148 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2026) - This amendment sought major spending restraint or related fiscal limits in the massive omnibus-style appropriations package
Massie-Lofgren-Poe Amendment to FY2017 Department of Defense Appropriations (H.R. 5293)This amendment aimed to defund surveillance "backdoors" that allow intelligence agencies to access Americans' private communications without a warrant.

There's literally hundreds of bills and amendments Massie has tried to get passed, that failed because of the corrupt, big government, big spending RINO's and democrats simple want to keep kicking the can.

 

[YoursTruly]

More like a typical Republican. Corrected it for you.

You ain't wrong. dblack knows this. The majority of the GOP now days is about as bad as the left. Their only "saving grace" is immigration. They got that one right. And they lean on it (change the subject to), when their failures come up in conversation.
Like Bondi's "The dow hit 50,000" when discussing the Epstein files.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Voting against massive spending bills. Against unconstitutional legislation.

Oh.

So those spending bills and unconstitutional legislation did not pass?

Authoring and introducing conservative legislation.

So that legislation passed?

Exposing the corruption in both parties.

So more of a journalist than a lawmaker with actual accomplishments?

Things he was elected to do.

Y'all keep harping on "accomplishments" as if one congressman is supposed to wield all this power and influence and get things passed that goes against the corruption.

I thought you might say, "convinced Congress to remove $X,XXX,XXX worth of pork from the domestic spending bill," or some other way that his influence was felt.

Sure, one lawmaker cannot force through "things" that go against the corruption, nor prevent unconstitutional bills from becoming law.

But - if he has any negotation or persuasion skills, he can get changes made to bills that are moving toward being passed. It seems the only people he can influence are "not Democrat" message board posters and his largely illiterate Kentucky constituency.

His record of accomplishment would be far greater if he introduced massive spending & unconstitutional legislation & amendments.

Or . . . he could have stayed local and tried to improve the educaton system there.

Here's a few that's collecting dust on Johnsons desk. And you might ask why Trump & Johnson isn't pushing for them.

H.R. 899 – To terminate the Department of Education (reintroduced in the 119th Congress)
H.R. 1846 – Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (119th Congress)

Easier to fantasize about breaking things than to fix them I suppose.

You would think with the shockingly low literacy rate in his home state, he would not set himself up as an expert on education.

Amendments:

H.Amdt. 155 to H.R. 7148 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2026) - This amendment sought major spending restraint or related fiscal limits in the massive omnibus-style appropriations package
Massie-Lofgren-Poe Amendment to FY2017 Department of Defense Appropriations (H.R. 5293)This amendment aimed to defund surveillance "backdoors" that allow intelligence agencies to access Americans' private communications without a warrant.

Great ideas.

If he wasn't acting like such a spoiled child all the time, he might have gotten those amendments passed, or at least elements of them.

There's literally hundreds of bills and amendments Massie has tried to get passed, that failed because of the corrupt, big government, big spending RINO's and democrats simple want to keep kicking the can.

In Congress, as anywhere else in life, getting what you want nearly always requires compromise. That rigid ideologogical approach seems to be his achilles heel.

If he is not going to vote for any bill ever, if he considers it "unconstitutional," then what would be the point of any other lawmaker offering him a compromise to get his vote?

 

[YoursTruly]

Oh.

So those spending bills and unconstitutional legislation did not pass?

So that legislation passed?

So more of a journalist than a lawmaker with actual accomplishments?

I thought you might say, "convinced Congress to remove $X,XXX,XXX worth of pork from the domestic spending bill," or some other way that his influence was felt.

Sure, one lawmaker cannot force through "things" that go against the corruption, nor prevent unconstitutional bills from becoming law.

But - if he has any negotation or persuasion skills, he can get changes made to bills that are moving toward being passed. It seems the only people he can influence are "not Democrat" message board posters and his largely illiterate Kentucky constituency.

Or . . . he could have stayed local and tried to improve the educaton system there.

Easier to fantasize about breaking things than to fix them I suppose.

You would think with the shockingly low literacy rate in his home state, he would not set himself up as an expert on education.

Great ideas.

If he wasn't acting like such a spoiled child all the time, he might have gotten those amendments passed, or at least elements of them.

In Congress, as anywhere else in life, getting what you want nearly always requires compromise. That rigid ideologogical approach seems to be his achilles heel.

If he is not going to vote for any bill ever, if he considers it "unconstitutional," then what would be the point of any other lawmaker offering him a compromise to get his vote?

How it must suck being a Trump loyalist. You have to bash people like Massie who are exactly what Trump said he was going to be during the campaign.
You have to overlook and somewhat defend the over spending, warrantless spying on Americans, regime change wars, Epstein files, the socialism, and all the left leaning BS that comes with supporting Trump.

You have to dodge and spin things that you know are right, to defend things you also know is wrong. Because defending that crap is more important.
You have to sometimes end relationships with family and friends. You have to oppose people you used to agree with on political matters just because they had the common sense and the backbone to admit they were duped.

It must be like chewing on old beef jerky. Chew and chew and chew for years, just so you can swallow it.

If Trump had not flip flopped so much, you Trump supporters (and us Massie supporters) could be bragging about all the DOGE cuts that were codified. No new wars. Trade deals with countries like Venezuela and Iran. The massive spending cuts. Ending the fraud and abuse that comes from our welfare system. Cheap gas & groceries. And so many other actual conservative actions that would Make America Great Again.

But because Trump doesn't lean right, nor most of the GOP in congress, we have none of that. We have the opposite of that.

 

[ColonelAngus]

I am out at both guards “FELL ASLEEP” at the exact moment that the cameras “FAILED”.

Epstein KNEW that was the exact moment to kill himself. An absolute Narcissist who had previously complained his cell mate tried to kill him.

Not a chance.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Something is wrong with the MAGAs bashing a true conservative, like Massie.

MAGAs are Rinos.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Fuc king do it. At least someone is at least acting like they give a fck about child sex trafficking.
You know the bimbo bittch or the obese mango doesnt give a damn. They literally broke federal law shielding pedos from public scrutiny.

/-----/ Did Joe Bidum literally break federal law shielding pedos from public scrutiny for four years when he was president?

 

[pknopp]

/-----/ Did Joe Bidum literally break federal law shielding pedos from public scrutiny for four years when he was president?

No, and we still shouldn't be doing it.

 

[jacksonlamb]

/-----/ Did Joe Bidum literally break federal law shielding pedos from public scrutiny for four years when he was president?

Nothing of the sort happened, but Trump sure did that.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Nothing of the sort happened, but Trump sure did that.

/----/ Bidum sat on the Epstein files for four years. He released nothing. How is that OK while Trump releasing more than 3 million new Epstein investigation files, which include over 2,000 videos and approximately 180,000 images isn't?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[pknopp]

/----/ Bidum sat on the Epstein files for four years. He released nothing. How is that OK while Trump releasing more than 3 million new Epstein investigation files, which include over 2,000 videos and approximately 180,000 images?

You can't have it both ways.

You are simply making excuses just the same as Biden supporters all.

 

[TNHarley]

/-----/ Did Joe Bidum literally break federal law shielding pedos from public scrutiny for four years when he was president?

Joe couldnt release the files. He would have broke federal law if he did.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You are simply making excuses just the same as Biden supporters all.

/----/ It isn't an excuse. It's a legitimate question. Bidum didn't release them, but Trump did. Yet you accuse Trump of a cover up?
Can you not see the hypocrisy there staring you in the face?

 

[TNHarley]

/----/ It isn't an excuse. It's a legitimate question. Bidum didn't release them, but Trump did. Yet you accuse Trump of a cover up?
Can you not see the hypocrisy there staring you in the face?

There is no hypocrisy.

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You said:​

why didnt biden release the epstein files

Copilot said:​

Copilot

Here’s the clear, fact‑based explanation of why President Joe Biden did not release the Epstein files, based directly on credible reporting and legal analysis from 2025–2026.

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1. DOJ Independence — The White House Did Not Interfere​

Former Vice President Kamala Harris publicly explained that the Biden administration believed in a strict separation between the White House and the Department of Justice. This meant Biden would not direct DOJ to release files for political purposes.

“We strongly and rightly believed that there should be an absolute separation between what we wanted as an administration and what the Department of Justice did.”
thehill

This stance is widely cited as the primary reason Biden did not order a release.

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2. The Epstein Case Was Still an Open Criminal Investigation​

The Epstein investigation remained active during most of Biden’s presidency, including:

• Open grand jury proceedings
• Continuing victim interviews
• Appeals connected to Ghislaine Maxwell’s conviction

Law enforcement does not disclose files while a case is active or under appeal.

“They had an open grand jury… and even after Maxwell’s conviction, the case was on appeal — anyone in law enforcement knows you don’t open your case file when it’s still under appeal.”
newsnationnow

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3. Grand Jury Material Is Legally Secret​

Much of the Epstein file consists of grand jury transcripts, sealed testimony, and confidential exhibits. These are protected by Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e), meaning neither Biden nor DOJ can legally release them without a court order.

Grand jury materials are “presumptively confidential” unless a court specifically authorizes release.
thehill

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4. Other Legal Limits: Privacy, Victims, and Ongoing Investigations​

The DOJ said large portions of the files are restricted due to:

• Victim privacy laws
• Uncharged third-party protections
• Attorney‑client privilege
• Active investigative leads

DOJ officials noted that privacy rules and ongoing investigations legally prevented broad disclosure.
factually

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5. The Files Aren’t One Simple Set of Documents​

The so‑called “Epstein files” span:

• Federal investigations (FBI, DOJ)
• State-level investigations
• Court cases
• Civil suits
• Grand jury transcripts
• Plea deals (like Epstein’s 2008 non‑prosecution agreement)

This patchwork of documents has different legal owners—meaning the president cannot simply “dump” them.

The Epstein files span decades and multiple agencies, courts, and legal proceedings.
thehill

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6. Releasing Them Would Have Required Overriding DOJ Independence​

While a president could theoretically push DOJ to release certain documents, Biden deliberately chose not to, insisting the DOJ operate without political pressure.

This was consistent with his broader approach to the Justice Department.

Biden left release decisions to Attorney General Merrick Garland to protect DOJ independence from political influence.
thehill

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Biden did not release the Epstein files because:

✔ The case was still active​

✔ Grand jury materials are legally protected​

✔ Victim privacy and other legal barriers applied​

✔ The administration refused to politicize the DOJ​

✔ The president cannot unilaterally release most of these records​

These explanations come directly from legal experts, DOJ commentary, and statements from Biden officials.

If you want, I can also summarize what Trump later released, the Epstein Files Transparency Act, or what parts of the files became public in 2024–26.

 

[pknopp]

/----/ It isn't an excuse. It's a legitimate question. Bidum didn't release them, but Trump did. Yet you accuse Trump of a cover up?
Can you not see the hypocrisy there staring you in the face?

Trump has released them partially after promising to fully expose them and then only after he was forced to.

Excuses.

Yes I see the hypocrisy, on both side. I've already commented on that.

 

[YoursTruly]

Something is wrong with the MAGAs bashing a true conservative, like Massie.

MAGAs are Rinos.

I take issue with "MAGA's are RINO's."

I'm MAGA and America 1st. But I strongly disagree with Trump on a lot of issues.

Trump was MAGA, until he started flip flopping. But now he's not.

 

[jacksonlamb]

/----/ Bidum sat on the Epstein files for four years. He released nothing. How is that OK while Trump releasing more than 3 million new Epstein investigation files, which include over 2,000 videos and approximately 180,000 images isn't?

You can't have it both ways.

Biden's DOJ was busy with them and could not release them. Trump promised to release them on day one and has prevaricated and obstructed ever since.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Biden's DOJ was busy with them and could not release them. Trump promised to release them on day one and has prevaricated and obstructed ever since.

Any MAGA who is a neo-con is not a conservative.