Zone1 Mary

[Cougarbear]

The singularity is a mathematical artifact. It's not a physical phenomenon. It's the point where mathematically the solutions to Einstein's field equation yield infinite densities. It's the mathematical limit of the equations which is where the equations stop working.

So, no... the singularity is not paired particles.

I'm am literally telling you what the big bang theory is, so, no, I don't see where anything I have shared with you is incompatible with the big bang theory. You are way in over your head and your last statement says it all... you will choose what your prophets tell you to believe over what the science shows to be the truth. But then again, your prophets have promised you that you will be a god if you follow their words.

However, the singularity did exist and does today in black holes. And, you can't say paired particles were used if they did not already exist. Saying God "willed" them into existence is more science fiction than the fact you have the capacity to run your own universe if given the opportunity by God the Father and His Son. "Willed" is not a scientific principle. Yet, you believe only if science proves it. LOL!!! Jesus said through faith you must come to believe me. Yet, you want empirical fact. You are one confused person. Trying to have your cake and eat it too!

 

[Cougarbear]

there is nothing in the christian bible written or chosen by jesus for inclusion and is written 4 centuries after their passing -



your claim is only substantiated by their being murdered a reason for the crime to silence their repudiation of judaism than having written their memoir than what records did exist they destroyed - does not mitigate the recorded histories of the judean desert religions and their non repentant persecution and victimization of the innocent as confirmation of the true 1st century events.

You are so out in left field on God that you can't see the forest from the trees. How ancient people delt with breaking of covenants and commandments doesn't mean their belief was false. You judge people in the past based on your perception of good and evil. And, the Christian Bible was not written in the 4th century. It was put together using the writings of the apostles 4 centuries earlier.

 

[ding]

Prove he is wrong. Show us, take us there where God was before the universe. See, our prophet was taught by God and by the angels. Your scientists reject God and the angels. Why should I accept your nonsense over the prophets and apostles of God?

Have you heard of the Methusela Star? It's older than the universe. Some say it isn't and give a reason. But, even if it weren't it's so old that it could not have formed into a star in the time frame your scientist prophets say. Yet, there it is! Since time is relative, it could be a lot less old than we understand from our earth perspective. And, the dating methods we use have so many problems with dating.

I have proven it. Over and over again. Your prophet is a charlatan and you are a dupe.

 

[ding]

However, the singularity did exist and does today in black holes. And, you can't say paired particles were used if they did not already exist. Saying God "willed" them into existence is more science fiction than the fact you have the capacity to run your own universe if given the opportunity by God the Father and His Son. "Willed" is not a scientific principle. Yet, you believe only if science proves it. LOL!!! Jesus said through faith you must come to believe me. Yet, you want empirical fact. You are one confused person. Trying to have your cake and eat it too!

No. The equations have limits. And those limits have nothing whatsoever to do with the evidence that the universe literally popped into existence not being created from existing matter or energy. The presence of matter and energy literally creates space and time. So, no. The universe was not created from existing matter or energy. You have been duped.

 

[Cougarbear]

I have proven it. Over and over again. Your prophet is a charlatan and you are a dupe.

No you haven't and I have proved you haven't. You claim to be a believer in Christ yet you deny God's ability to organize, create how, when and why he does it. You follow scientists as if their "theories" have been proved. They haven't been. Science isn't ever settled. I follow true prophets of God and calling them names doesn't prove a thing. It only shows your ignorance and bigotry.

 

[Cougarbear]

No. The equations have limits. And those limits have nothing whatsoever to do with the evidence that the universe literally popped into existence not being created from existing matter or energy. The presence of matter and energy literally creates space and time. So, no. The universe was not created from existing matter or energy. You have been duped.

There are no limits. I have said there is no smallest limit like a number or time. Here's one basic proof.
Proof:

1. Assume a smallest number exists: Let "x" be the smallest possible number.
2. Construct a smaller number: Consider the number "x - 1" (x minus 1).
3. Contradiction: Since "x" is assumed to be the smallest number, "x - 1" must be smaller than "x".
4. Therefore, no smallest number exists: Because we can always find a smaller number ("x - 1") than any proposed smallest number "x", our initial assumption that a smallest number exists must be false.

There has always been time. There is no beginning and no end either. Y could be the last of everything. But, Y + 1 would contradict the fact Y is the last of everything. Therefore, no last of everything exists. There is no larges number as there is no end of time either.

 

[ding]

No you haven't and I have proved you haven't. You claim to be a believer in Christ yet you deny God's ability to organize, create how, when and why he does it. You follow scientists as if their "theories" have been proved. They haven't been. Science isn't ever settled. I follow true prophets of God and calling them names doesn't prove a thing. It only shows your ignorance and bigotry.

Until you can tell me what produced the massive amount of radiation we so fondly call the CMB, I think I'll stick with the mainstream science of the big bang which is that the universe popped into existence not being created from existing matter or energy because that's what the evidence proves.

Your prophet was a charlatan. That's not name calling. That's a fact.

 

[ding]

There are no limits. I have said there is no smallest limit like a number or time. Here's one basic proof.
Proof:

1. Assume a smallest number exists: Let "x" be the smallest possible number.
2. Construct a smaller number: Consider the number "x - 1" (x minus 1).
3. Contradiction: Since "x" is assumed to be the smallest number, "x - 1" must be smaller than "x".
4. Therefore, no smallest number exists: Because we can always find a smaller number ("x - 1") than any proposed smallest number "x", our initial assumption that a smallest number exists must be false.

There has always been time. There is no beginning and no end either. Y could be the last of everything. But, Y + 1 would contradict the fact Y is the last of everything. Therefore, no last of everything exists. There is no larges number as there is no end of time either.

The singularity you keep incorrectly using is literally the mathematical limit of the solutions to Einstein's field equations. It seems you have gone off on another tangent so you can avoid facing the truth that the universe was not created from existing matter or energy and that your prophet was wrong about that.

 

[Cougarbear]

Until you can tell me what produced the massive amount of radiation we so fondly call the CMB, I think I'll stick with the mainstream science of the big bang which is that the universe popped into existence not being created from existing matter or energy because that's what the evidence proves.

Your prophet was a charlatan. That's not name calling. That's a fact.

It always existed. I would say that what we have in our universe is almost an infinitely small amount of radiation. Massive in our universe but not outside the universe where God is from. Saying someone is a charlatan with no proof is name calling and make you a very small person.

 

[Cougarbear]

The singularity you keep incorrectly using is literally the mathematical limit of the solutions to Einstein's field equations. It seems you have gone off on another tangent so you can avoid facing the truth that the universe was not created from existing matter or energy and that your prophet was wrong about that.

But it was. It wasn't created at all. That's your belief but not reality. We have always existed in one form or another. First as intelligences (energy), then as spirit children, then as humans who descended from heaven to receive a physical body in the physical universe.

 

[ding]

It always existed. I would say that what we have in our universe is almost an infinitely small amount of radiation. Massive in our universe but not outside the universe where God is from. Saying someone is a charlatan with no proof is name calling and make you a very small person.

The amount of energy which created the cosmic background radiation (CMB) is equal to 2 billion times the matter/energy of the universe. So, no... not an almost infinitely small amount of radiation. To argue anything outside of our space and time is the realm of philosophy and conjecture. It's not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

There's plenty of evidence Joseph Smith was a charlatan. We are discussing two of the reasons now. 1). The universe wasn't created from existing matter and 2). you aren't going to become a god as Joe promised.

 

[ding]

But it was. It wasn't created at all. That's your belief but not reality. We have always existed in one form or another. First as intelligences (energy), then as spirit children, then as humans who descended from heaven to receive a physical body in the physical universe.

Incorrect. The matter and radiation in this universe were created ~14 billion years ago.

"Did you know that the matter in your body is billions of years old?​

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According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago..."​

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

annex.exploratorium.edu

 

[Cougarbear]

There is no proof the Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet. There is an enormous amount of proof he was a prophet that opened up this last dispensation of the fullness of time.
You spend enormous amount of energy trying to prove God existed by himself and then willed the universe into existence and then say God is just a philosophical discussion and doesn’t exist. This is what happens with so-called Christians. Their creeds don’t hold up under their own logic and reasoning.

 

[Cougarbear]

Incorrect. The matter and radiation in this universe were created ~14 billion years ago.

"Did you know that the matter in your body is billions of years old?​

​

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago..."​

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

annex.exploratorium.edu

Yes, it was exploded and formed. But God existed before the Big Bang. Where did God come from and was he all alone before his particle explosion? We were there with God as energy (intelligence) energy cannot be created not destroyed. Just changed. So, what was God doing?

 

[BreezeWood]

Christian Bible was not written in the 4th century. It was put together using the writings of the apostles 4 centuries earlier.

did they archive a single document you claim they used during the 100 year period, the 4th century to write their 10000 pg christian bible.

those events are spoken history passed down through the centuries the source of its longevity - not the raw corruption of christianity that in reality is seldom brought to lite and generally disdained when done so.

jesus was murdered partially to prevent them from writing their memoir that enables the crucifiers to use their name for their own nefarious purposes no less their motive in committing their crime.

 

[ding]

Yes, it was exploded and formed. But God existed before the Big Bang. Where did God come from and was he all alone before his particle explosion? We were there with God as energy (intelligence) energy cannot be created not destroyed. Just changed. So, what was God doing?

There's only one God and that God is eternal. That's the Christian belief anyway. And no, the universe did not explode and form. That is an inaccurate description. A very lazy way of saying it. It's how you might describe it to a dummy.

Maybe try asking it this way.

Or this way.

 

[BreezeWood]

And no, the universe did not explode and form.

not the universe - the creator is the first ignition that set in motion all that is.

 

[ding]

not the universe - the creator is the first ignition that set in motion all that is.

That would seem to contradict your cyclical belief of a boomeranging universe.

 

[ding]

There is no proof the Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet. There is an enormous amount of proof he was a prophet that opened up this last dispensation of the fullness of time.
You spend enormous amount of energy trying to prove God existed by himself and then willed the universe into existence and then say God is just a philosophical discussion and doesn’t exist. This is what happens with so-called Christians. Their creeds don’t hold up under their own logic and reasoning.

I disagree.

 

[Cougarbear]

did they archive a single document you claim they used during the 100 year period, the 4th century to write their 10000 pg christian bible.

those events are spoken history passed down through the centuries the source of its longevity - not the raw corruption of christianity that in reality is seldom brought to lite and generally disdained when done so.

jesus was murdered partially to prevent them from writing their memoir that enables the crucifiers to use their name for their own nefarious purposes no less their motive in committing their crime.

Such unproven and unreliable guesswork. That’s your crime. I suppose you are a gnostic believer in real trash written well after the compilation of the true gospel of Jesus Christ.