Zone1 Mary

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Mark 16:15, "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." What does that have to do with John 10:34?
John 10:33, "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a MAN, makest thyself God." The Jewish rabbis said that mankind cannot be God or a God. But, Jesus answered them saying:
John 10:34, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" Hmmm...He was referring to Psalms 82:6 that He, Jesus, said (meaning Jesus is Jehovah) mankind can be gods. The rest of the verses prove this point.
When you go to Psalms 82:6, after Jesus (Jehovah) said "Ye are gods," He then said, "but children of the most High God." Meaning that we will always be children to Father in Heaven as Jesus (Jehovah) will always be the Son of the Father God. This is pointed out back in Mark chapter 16, but in verse19, "So then after the Lord (Jesus/Jehovah) had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God (The Father). Thus, the God Father could not be Jesus/Jehovah unless He sat beside himself.
Put all this together had it makes perfect sense that we human beings, like Jesus, can become gods and also sit at the right hand of the Father. To argue against this is the same as rejecting the scriptures themselves.

You and every other living thing in the universe is a creature.

Mark 16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature.
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

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Yes I did and I reject what he said because it's not doctrinal. Not in the scriptures. And, not brought forth by a Prophet of God.

It's what he said that matters.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.

Nothing existed before that. That's what that says.

 

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Can't read and make your own understandings? LOL! And, you are trying to make me believe Google as the evidence of your opinions on God? LOL! I actually have a testimony of what I teach from the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I think I'm doing pretty well. You are the one who seems upset.

 

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I have refuted your Google references. They are not fact.

I'm sure you think you have.

 

[Cougarbear]

That's exactly what I would expect a polytheist to say. Especially one who thinks it's possible for him to become God.

That's not me saying it. It's the Bible that you claim to follow, but does not. Why? Why do you deny the Bible and Jesus says? He said I'm a god and you too, not me.

 

[Cougarbear]

They came from no where. They did not exist before popping into existence. God willed existence into being.

Nonsense. You can't use science and then unuse it when it is convenient. That's what you are doing.

 

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That's not me saying it. It's the Bible that you claim to follow, but does not. Why? Why do you deny the Bible and Jesus says? He said I'm a god and you too, not me.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.

Mark 16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature.
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

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Nonsense. You can't use science and then unuse it when it is convenient. That's what you are doing.

That is science.

The Early Universe

pages.uoregon.edu

 

[Cougarbear]

You and every other living thing in the universe is a creature.

Mark 16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature.
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

So funny how you ignore the real question here. Jesus told the rabbis that He told them as Jehovah they are gods. And, you ignore what is convenient and teach the doctrines and commandments of men. Shame on you. Doing exactly what Isaiah wrote against.
So, do you believe we should be teaching to dogs, cats, spiders, fish, apes and all creatures great and small? Is that what you do with your time? "Creature" in this context, is all mankind, no matter their lineage, color of their skin, religion or sex...

 

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So funny how you ignore the real question here. Jesus told the rabbis that He told them as Jehovah they are gods. And, you ignore what is convenient and teach the doctrines and commandments of men. Shame on you. Doing exactly what Isaiah wrote against.
So, do you believe we should be teaching to dogs, cats, spiders, fish, apes and all creatures great and small? Is that what you do with your time? "Creature" in this context, is all mankind, no matter their lineage, color of their skin, religion or sex...

That's an incorrect interpretation. I already addressed that in post #327.

In John 10:34 Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6 and was not talking about humans. Instead, he was using the metaphor of “gods” to refer to angelic beings, who are sometimes called “gods” in the Old Testament. Jesus was using this text to deflect an accusation of blasphemy from religious leaders who had accused him of calling himself the Son of God.

Jesus was not applying the statement “you are gods” to all humanity or to all believers. He was using the metaphor to expose the ignorance and inconsistency of his accusers.

In fact in Mark 16:15, Jesus said YOU ARE A CREATURE. Just like everyone else.

 

[Cougarbear]

That's an incorrect interpretation. I already addressed that in post #327.

In John 10:34 Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6 and was not talking about humans. Instead, he was using the metaphor of “gods” to refer to angelic beings, who are sometimes called “gods” in the Old Testament. Jesus was using this text to deflect an accusation of blasphemy from religious leaders who had accused him of calling himself the Son of God.

Jesus was not applying the statement “you are gods” to all humanity or to all believers. He was using the metaphor to expose the ignorance and inconsistency of his accusers.

In fact in Mark 16:15, Jesus said YOU ARE A CREATURE. Just like everyone else.

You contradict yourself. Jesus in John 10:34 said straight up that he was referring to the Jews and the Rabbis when they asked him how could he, a man, be a god. Why do you not see this? That makes your interpretation of Psalms 82:6 completely false about talking about angels. And, tell me Einstein, how can angels be gods if you claim there is only one God? So, your logic falls completely on its face.
And, Mark 16:15 has nothing to do with being a god. Nothing!

 

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Maybe try asking google.

You contradict yourself. Jesus in John 10:34 said straight up that he was referring to the Jews and the Rabbis when they asked him how could he, a man, be a god. Why do you not see this? That makes your interpretation of Psalms 82:6 completely false about talking about angels. And, tell me Einstein, how can angels be gods if you claim there is only one God? So, your logic falls completely on its face.
And, Mark 16:15 has nothing to do with being a god. Nothing!

No contradiction at all. Let's ask google.

Looks like google agrees with me.

 

[BreezeWood]

That's exactly what I would expect a polytheist to say. Especially one who thinks it's possible for him to become God.

that's the great advantage and why polytheism is how the universe and everything in it has evolved -

diversity of creators and each with the same abilities makes for the boiling pot of innovation and removes the threat of what just one being might orchestrate to the disadvantage to others or by being responsible for everything the universe could become inert by the happenstance of a single entity.

as taught by jesus - all are equal each with their own ability to make a difference - not servitude and denial of the false desert religions.

 

[Cougarbear]

Maybe try asking google.

No contradiction at all. Let's ask google.

Looks like google agrees with me.

You have got to be kidding? LOL! What are you? 10 years old? Do you know what "Normalcy Bias" is? Instead of seeking the truth in the scriptures, you start by finding support for your normalcy bias. The saying, "The truth shall set you free" means free from the false normalcy biases that exist. The doctrines and commandments of men (scholars) mingled with scripture when scripture supports their normalcy. I'm simply asking you to read John 10:34 and recognize who Jesus is talking to. He's not talking to angels. He's talking to human beings known as rabbis of the Jews. And, he's calling them gods. Not only that, he refers to himself as the one who gave David the information in Psalms82:6. Jesus is Jehovah. Do you deny this? Read for yourself...

 

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that's the great advantage and why polytheism is how the universe and everything in it has evolved -

diversity of creators and each with the same abilities makes for the boiling pot of innovation and removes the threat of what just one being might orchestrate to the disadvantage to others or by being responsible for everything the universe could become inert by the happenstance of a single entity.

as taught by jesus - all are equal each with their own ability to make a difference - not servitude and denial of the false desert religions.

Sounds like fake news to me.

 

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You have got to be kidding? LOL! What are you? 10 years old? Do you know what "Normalcy Bias" is? Instead of seeking the truth in the scriptures, you start by finding support for your normalcy bias. The saying, "The truth shall set you free" means free from the false normalcy biases that exist. The doctrines and commandments of men (scholars) mingled with scripture when scripture supports their normalcy. I'm simply asking you to read John 10:34 and recognize who Jesus is talking to. He's not talking to angels. He's talking to human beings known as rabbis of the Jews. And, he's calling them gods. Not only that, he refers to himself as the one who gave David the information in Psalms82:6. Jesus is Jehovah. Do you deny this? Read for yourself...

No. I'm not kidding. Google says you are wrong. That Jesus did not say that humans are gods, but he did quote Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34, which says, "I said, 'You are gods'". See?

And in fact, Jesus called us creatures in Mark 16:15.

 

[Cougarbear]

No. I'm not kidding. Google says you are wrong. That Jesus did not say that humans are gods, but he did quote Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34, which says, "I said, 'You are gods'". See?

And in fact, Jesus called us creatures in Mark 16:15.

Why do you ignore the New Testament words? It's clear that Jesus is talking with the Sadducees of the Jewish people. He's talking with actual people in John chapter 10. Open your mind and actually read the words. He is answering the humans, the people, men and women. He's saying that "Why do you have a problem with be saying I'm the Son of God, and a member of the Godhead as a God, the God Jehovah?" Then, he told the people, the humans that he said in the past, that they are gods too. And, when I was speaking as Jehovah to David, I said that people are gods but children of the Most High. Are you saying the children of the Most High are angels? That the Father has children in heaven? I'd agree with you on that too. Those children came down and took on the bodies of the descendants of Adam and Eve. We, are his children. We are gods in embryo learning to be ready.
In John 10:34, Jesus is speaking directly to the people, human beings. He isn't talking to angels. That should be plain to you. He told the people they are gods, period. Your stupid biased google websites can't read either because of their normalcy bias. Your eyes and minds have been blinded by the craftiness of men. Stop responding if you are only going to respond in ignorance. Read all of John chapter 10 before responding. No need to google anything. Just read and see if your eyes can be opened.

 

[BreezeWood]

Sounds like fake news to me.

as taught by jesus - all are equal each with their own ability to make a difference - not servitude and denial of the false desert religions.

such is the cloud the desert dwellers chose than life being lived as the heavens meant and the rewards possible for those who find their way to the everlasting.

 

[Cougarbear]

That is science.
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The Early Universe

pages.uoregon.edu

Scientists may finally know what existed before the Big Bang

Discover what scientists now think preceded the massive explosion that kickstarted the universe -- an event we call the Big Bang.

studyfinds.org

"Most cosmologists now understand that the universe’s beginning was far more complex than a simple explosive moment. Before the Big Bang, matter and energy were compressed into an incredibly dense state so extreme that physicists struggle to describe it. A fraction of a second of rapid expansion — inflation — preceded the more familiar Big Bang, setting the stage for everything that would follow."
Well, most cosmologists don't agree then with your particle stuff either.

 

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Why do you ignore the New Testament words? It's clear that Jesus is talking with the Sadducees of the Jewish people. He's talking with actual people in John chapter 10. Open your mind and actually read the words. He is answering the humans, the people, men and women. He's saying that "Why do you have a problem with be saying I'm the Son of God, and a member of the Godhead as a God, the God Jehovah?" Then, he told the people, the humans that he said in the past, that they are gods too. And, when I was speaking as Jehovah to David, I said that people are gods but children of the Most High. Are you saying the children of the Most High are angels? That the Father has children in heaven? I'd agree with you on that too. Those children came down and took on the bodies of the descendants of Adam and Eve. We, are his children. We are gods in embryo learning to be ready.
In John 10:34, Jesus is speaking directly to the people, human beings. He isn't talking to angels. That should be plain to you. He told the people they are gods, period. Your stupid biased google websites can't read either because of their normalcy bias. Your eyes and minds have been blinded by the craftiness of men. Stop responding if you are only going to respond in ignorance. Read all of John chapter 10 before responding. No need to google anything. Just read and see if your eyes can be opened.

Why do you?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.

There was nothing before. All things came to be through God. There was nothing before.