Mark Kelly to face military tribunal. Nuremberg 2.0 is beginning.

[Zincwarrior]

When was martial law declared?

I am figuring January in a test state. Then it will expand.That way Trump can have ICE and the military "supervise" the midterms in Dem states. Its standard banana republic behavior.

 

[Delldude]

I am figuring January in a test state. Then it will expand.That way Trump can have ICE and the military "supervise" the midterms in Dem states. Its standard banana republic behavior.

Roll another one.

 

[rightwinger]

Kelly is laughing at you

So will any military tribunal

 

[Zincwarrior]

Roll another one.

 

[Delldude]

The Mueller investigation proved conclusively that the Russians provided material aid and support for Trump’s Presidential campaign, documented the way Trump used cut outs to avoid being directly linked to the legal definition of collusion, and listed in significant detail, the obstruction of Justice campaign the regime put on to escape accountability.

Total lies Timmy.

First, our investigation found that the Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.

(Notice no mention of Trump, Timmy?)

Second, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities.


We did not address collusion, which is not a legal term; rather we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy, and there was not.

This, Russian “collusion” is an established fact, and is the go to reference for people looking into how the Trump campaign embraced the aid and support of the intelligence agencies of a foreign country.

We did not address collusion, which is not a legal term; rather we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy, and there was not.

Robert Mueller's testimony before Congress: Full transcript

Read the testimony of former special counsel Robert Mueller after questioning by lawmakers about possible obstruction of justice by Trump and the 2016 Russia Investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

Like the Mueller Report, the Jan 6th report is a definitive record, not challenged, refuted or discredited.

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., announced Wednesday the creation of a new select subcommittee to investigate events before and after Jan. 6, 2021.

“House Republicans are proud of our work so far in exposing the false narratives peddled by the politically motivated January 6 Select Committee during the 117th Congress, but there is still more work to be done,” Johnson said in a statement.

House Republicans announce new subcommittee to investigate Jan. 6

Congress previously investigated Jan. 6 and the efforts by Trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 election when Democrats controlled the House.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[WEATHER53]

Reported

Aren’t you the delicate little thing running around playing mommy on posts not directed to you
Try being an alpha for a day

 

[WEATHER53]

Kelly said unlawful commands should not be obeyed. Apparently you regard all Chump's commands as unlawful.

Unlawful is established fact and not wishful feeling

 

[j-mac]

I am not wrong. He could be charged under a corresponding military regulation, in a military Courts Martial, if there is one, but it would be under military rules, in a military trial, not a Federal Jury trial.

Well, that’s what I’m saying, is that there are two systems that are possible to bring charges. Being a former officer, and now Senator, you’d think he’d be smarter than to be involved in a stunt as stupid as that.

If you want a Federal jury trial, you will simply have to demand he be charged in Federal Court. You will simply have to choose. You cannot have it both ways.

I never said I wanted both to charge him. And it’s not up to me personally.

Problem is, if you go the military route, you are automatically screwed, as those sitting in judgement are sworn to support the Constitution and military law, where a civilian jury is not, and every single Officer in judgement will already know the military regulations, so you're truly fkd, not only losing big in public, but paying him an extra $10,000 plus a month, while he double dips.

So, you don’t think there’s a case there, but I find it a little disappointing that you think that prosecuting would be “un constitutional “…

Do what you like, just don't expect much.
My Grandaughter goes into the Marines in February. I will admit right here, I and her aunt, the Colonel told her the same thing, in feel free to have me recalled, also, and will be glad to spend the bucks, even if it does effect Social Security. Besides, I always like free travel, and it would be interesting duty, knowing the outcome.

That’s different. You’re not in a position to speak as anything more than a grandfather, and the Colonel has voiced his opinion to one upcoming recruit, others along her chain will have a different opinion in training. I’m sure she’s a bright young lady, and hopefully doesn’t get herself into a situation..

 

[Marener]

So, you don’t think there’s a case there, but I find it a little disappointing that you think that prosecuting would be “un constitutional “…

I believe it’s a violation of our rights to be prosecuted when there’s obviously no case just because the president doesn’t like you.

I hope we can agree on that.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Aren’t you the delicate little thing running around playing mommy on posts not directed to you
Try being an alpha for a day

i reported you to your boss, Putin. And yes I am a fragile flower!

 

[j-mac]

By saying don't break the law? You are insane.

They do this there is no turning back.

Scary.

 

[j-mac]

I believe it’s a violation of our rights to be prosecuted when there’s obviously no case just because the president doesn’t like you.

I hope we can agree on that.

If that's what it was...This is now in the legal sphere...The time for gaslighting about it are over.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Scary.

Indeed it is.

 

[Concerned American]

Without mass arrest of traitors and public trials for them, explaining what they have done to America. America is finished.

If the traitors return to power, America will be fundamentally transformed into a dystopian hell.

Gotta disagree. Kelly and the rest of the seditious six were unAmerican, unethical and politically underhanded, but they didn't break any laws. Banish them from public life. Fine. But lawfare is no bueno, regardless of which party does it.

 

[j-mac]

Indeed it is.

That was sarcastic btw...

 

[j-mac]

Gotta disagree. Kelly and the rest of the seditious six were unAmerican, unethical and politically underhanded, but they didn't break any laws. Banish them from public life. Fine. But lawfare is no bueno, regardless of which party does it.

If they broke the law, then there are consequences.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That was sarcastic btw...

Good for you. I wasn't.

 

[White 6]

Well, that’s what I’m saying, is that there are two systems that are possible to bring charges. Being a former officer, and now Senator, you’d think he’d be smarter than to be involved in a stunt as stupid as that.

I never said I wanted both to charge him. And it’s not up to me personally.

So, you don’t think there’s a case there, but I find it a little disappointing that you think that prosecuting would be “un constitutional “…

That’s different. You’re not in a position to speak as anything more than a grandfather, and the Colonel has voiced his opinion to one upcoming recruit, others along her chain will have a different opinion in training. I’m sure she’s a bright young lady, and hopefully doesn’t get herself into a situation..

Either place, the trial itself would be constitutional, but, the outcome in a military Courst Martial, would be pretty much assured as acquittal. Like I said, a courts martial trial for this would have between 8 and 12 members, but unlike the civilian courts, all 12 are sworn to uphold the constitution, plus, all would be Naval Officicers O-6 (Kelly's pay grade or above. All would at least have Bachelor Degree of higher education, but most likely Master's or above, and every single one of them would have personal knowledge, by the regulation and training manuals, and required instruction that nothing was said by Kelly, that is not direct quote from the regulations and required training. Pretty hard to convict of a crime, for saying what is required training in every command in the Navy, and all members would have had extensive command time.

If you are really pissed, your best hope for a vedict you might like, is a civilian court, with jury supposedly random selected of peers in the area where the trial is held. It would on average have education level high school through some college, maybe a professional or two. It would be unlikely they would come in the door knowing the reg by heart, and certainly not having sworn an oath to protecting the Constitution. A good Federal prosecutor (not that Trump Administration has had or at least used any), lately, might have a better chance swaying random civilians, like yourself, even after sitting through the testimony on the regulation itself and required training. Where all military officer's have had some level of training in resisting propaganda, so lawyer tricks of persuasion, simply do not fly as well.

 

[j-mac]

Either place, the trial itself would be constitutional, but, the outcome in a military Courst Martial, would be pretty much assured as acquittal. Like I said, a courts martial trial for this would have between 8 and 12 members, but unlike the civilian courts, all 12 are sworn to uphold the constitution, plus, all would be Naval Officicers O-6 (Kelly's pay grade or above. All would at least have Bachelor Degree of higher education, but most likely Master's or above, and every single one of them would have personal knowledge, by the regulation and training manuals, and required instruction that nothing was said by Kelly, that is not direct quote from the regulations and required training. Pretty hard to convict of a crime, for saying what is required training in every command in the Navy, and all members would have had extensive command time.

If you are really pissed, your best hope for a vedict you might like, is a civilian court, with jury supposedly random selected of peers in the area where the trial is held. It would on average have education level high school through some college, maybe a professional or two. It would be unlikely they would come in the door knowing the reg by heart, and certainly not having sworn an oath to protecting the Constitution. A good Federal prosecutor (not that Trump Administration has had or at least used any), lately, might have a better chance swaying random civilians, like yourself, even after sitting through the testimony on the regulation itself and required training. Where all military officer's have had some level of training in resisting propaganda, so lawyer tricks of persuasion, simply do not fly as well.

I guess we'll see where this goes....You're entitled to your opinion, I think it's rather delusional, but neither of us has a say.

 

[Zincwarrior]

ither place, the trial itself would be constitutional, but, the outcome in a military Courst Martial, would be pretty much assured as acquittal. Like I said, a courts martial trial for this would have between 8 and 12 members, but unlike the civilian courts, all 12 are sworn to uphold the constitution, plus, all would be Naval Officicers O-6 (Kelly's pay grade or above. All would at least have Bachelor Degree of higher education, but most likely Master's or above, and every single one of them would have personal knowledge, by the regulation and training manuals, and required instruction that nothing was said by Kelly, that is not direct quote from the regulations and required training. Pretty hard to convict of a crime, for saying what is required training in every command in the Navy, and all members would have had extensive command time.

Question not a criticism. As the pressure is coming from the military's upper management and the military controls their retirements, how would undue pressure on the Jury and court officers be avoided?