Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included

[Harry Dresden]

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you aint no liberal....liberals dont call for handicapped kids to be put down like your fucking dog...you are more like those assholes in the Middle East throwing gays off building tops...you are American in name only.."AINO"....

Liberals then, liberals now, same people, same philosophy. And only liberals can be actual Americans. It's a liberal nation.

so what are you doing here?....

 

[Coyote]

Let's get back on topic kids...

 

[David_42]

The courts don't think so, and I think it's fucking hysterical how self proclaimed pro lifers want to deport children and there families to areas with horrible poverty and conditions for babies/kids. Oh well, guess the fetus is all that matters.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let the Republicans pass a law revoking birthright citizenship and then let it be challenged and go to the Court.

 

[Contumacious]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Bullshit.

The treaties between the US and The Great Sioux Nation were ignored . Eventually whites took over their land because they could. No piece of paper was going to act as a deterrent. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.


Mexicans and other South Americans come here to work.

They are not responsible for the adoption of laws granting welfare type benefits.

You are using the "anchor babies" argument as a subterfuge for discrimination and ethnic cleansing.

Not gonna work. The 12 million are here to stay.


.

 

[Rozman]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

So It's interesting when the Libs scream that the second ammendment was never intended to allow modern day Americans to own guns but the Supremes say otherwise.

After it's all said and done it's all about the interpretation

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

So It's interesting when the Libs scream that the second ammendment was never intended to allow modern day Americans to own guns but the Supremes say otherwise.

After it's all said and done it's all about the interpretation

Yep, but what they say is constitutional, is, and what they say isn't, isn't...

 

[Care4all]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

NOPE....not a hurdle that i made up....this is something that our nation worked with....diplomats and ambassadors that had diplomatic immunity in the foreign nation they visited, where if here for diplomatic purposes, we had no jurisdiction over them.... we WANTED it this way, so that our diplomats and ambassadors for foreign Nations could not have a foreign nation hold our diplomats captive in their countries if our diplomats somehow broke their laws.....ONLY THOSE FOREIGNERS, the Ambassadors and Diplomats visiting the USA, are NOT under the jurisdiction of USA Laws....NO ONE ELSE.

Howard was SPECIFICALLY speaking about foreigner/alien diplomats/ambassadors to the US, that we had NO JURISDICTION over, we could not hold them to USA laws, we have to ship them back home to their foreign country....

Howard had NO REASON to write this the way he did, if it were ALL FOREIGNERS....he simply had to state all foreigners/alien children are not citizens if born here.

it was specifically directed towards the foreign/alien ambassador children that are born here...........drum roll.....because they are the ones that have diplomatic immunity and are NOT under the jurisdiction of the USA....

He specifically stated the children of foreign/alien ambassadors.....are not citizens if born here...

He DID NOT SIMPLY SAY Ambassadors, he was specific to say foreign/alien ambassadors so that he was not including our own USA Ambassadors, (that we send to their countries).

I don't know how Howard could be any more CLEAR, than what he was....?

And as others have mentioned, ALL foreigners visiting or living here, are under the rule of law, of the USA unless Ambassadors/diplomats from a foreign Nation who have diplomatic immunity....the illegal Mexicans would NOT be illegal if we had no jurisdiction of law on our own land...an illegal alien murderer could not even be held, if we had no jurisdiction of law over them....

Um..I'm not arguing that ambassador's children are citizens, that's not a point in contention. I'm saying it's ridiculous to think the Constitution was written to grant citizenship rights to criminals. You are subject to the laws of the United States when you are in the United States, but if you leave you are not subject to them if you are not. It has been for example illegal to buy Cuban cigars for US citizens even when we are in Europe, we are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States as a citizen. When a Mexican is in the US illegally, then leave, they can legally buy all the Cuban cigars they want. They as people are not subject to the laws of the United States, they are just in the United States

actually, Howard was CLEAR,

ALL CHILDREN BORN ON OUR SOIL ARE CITIZENS.

with the exception of the children of foreign/alien Ambassadors, who have diplomatic immunity and are not under USA jurisdiction, under any condition.

IF what you have twisted this to mean, then he simply would have written:

ALL CHILDREN BORN HERE WITH FOREIGN parents are NOT citizens....

his notes on the 14th that were brought up, DID NOT, in any way, say, or imply this....

it's plain as day....

 

[Care4all]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

if it meant citizens of another foreign country, he simply had to say:

Children born on USA soil to foreigners who are citizens of a foreign nation are NOT citizens of the USA upon birth.

HE DID NOT say that Kaz....

 

[kaz]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

NOPE....not a hurdle that i made up....this is something that our nation worked with....diplomats and ambassadors that had diplomatic immunity in the foreign nation they visited, where if here for diplomatic purposes, we had no jurisdiction over them.... we WANTED it this way, so that our diplomats and ambassadors for foreign Nations could not have a foreign nation hold our diplomats captive in their countries if our diplomats somehow broke their laws.....ONLY THOSE FOREIGNERS, the Ambassadors and Diplomats visiting the USA, are NOT under the jurisdiction of USA Laws....NO ONE ELSE.

Howard was SPECIFICALLY speaking about foreigner/alien diplomats/ambassadors to the US, that we had NO JURISDICTION over, we could not hold them to USA laws, we have to ship them back home to their foreign country....

Howard had NO REASON to write this the way he did, if it were ALL FOREIGNERS....he simply had to state all foreigners/alien children are not citizens if born here.

it was specifically directed towards the foreign/alien ambassador children that are born here...........drum roll.....because they are the ones that have diplomatic immunity and are NOT under the jurisdiction of the USA....

He specifically stated the children of foreign/alien ambassadors.....are not citizens if born here...

He DID NOT SIMPLY SAY Ambassadors, he was specific to say foreign/alien ambassadors so that he was not including our own USA Ambassadors, (that we send to their countries).

I don't know how Howard could be any more CLEAR, than what he was....?

And as others have mentioned, ALL foreigners visiting or living here, are under the rule of law, of the USA unless Ambassadors/diplomats from a foreign Nation who have diplomatic immunity....the illegal Mexicans would NOT be illegal if we had no jurisdiction of law on our own land...an illegal alien murderer could not even be held, if we had no jurisdiction of law over them....

Um..I'm not arguing that ambassador's children are citizens, that's not a point in contention. I'm saying it's ridiculous to think the Constitution was written to grant citizenship rights to criminals. You are subject to the laws of the United States when you are in the United States, but if you leave you are not subject to them if you are not. It has been for example illegal to buy Cuban cigars for US citizens even when we are in Europe, we are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States as a citizen. When a Mexican is in the US illegally, then leave, they can legally buy all the Cuban cigars they want. They as people are not subject to the laws of the United States, they are just in the United States

actually, Howard was CLEAR,

ALL CHILDREN BORN ON OUR SOIL ARE CITIZENS.

with the exception of the children of foreign/alien Ambassadors, who have diplomatic immunity and are not under USA jurisdiction, under any condition.

IF what you have twisted this to mean, then he simply would have written:

ALL CHILDREN BORN HERE WITH FOREIGN parents are NOT citizens....

his notes on the 14th that were brought up, DID NOT, in any way, say, or imply this....

it's plain as day....

Nowhere does it say the children of illegal aliens are intended to be citizens. Here is your reasoning. A store offers a free clock radio to all customers. You say shoplifters get one because the sale didn't specifically state you had to be a paying customer.

It would never have occurred to them that anyone would be such a brainless political hack that they would apply it to the children of criminals who come here illegally. It was intended to apply to people who were legitimately here and not considered citizens, like slaves. If you can find anywhere they actually meant the children of criminals here illegally let me know

 

[kaz]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

if it meant citizens of another foreign country, he simply had to say:

Children born on USA soil to foreigners who are citizens of a foreign nation are NOT citizens of the USA upon birth.

HE DID NOT say that Kaz....

If they meant the children of illegal aliens, all they had to do was say so. It never occurred to them they had to address that ridiculous point.

This is why our legal system is such a cluster. I had to put in my employee manual a whole list of stupid things like my employees have to act in the company's interest, they can't steal, they can't get paid on the side and a whole bunch of other stuff so I could fire them if they did it. As if seriously I had to stay that.

You do love that system though

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's enjoy some facts:

"Between 1850 and 1930, about 5 million Germans migrated to the United States with a peak in the years between 1881 and 1885, when a million Germans left Germany and settled mostly in the Midwest. Between 1820 and 1930, 3.5 million British and 4.5 million Irish entered America. Before 1845 most Irish immigrants were Protestants. After 1845, Irish Catholics began arriving in large numbers, largely driven by the Great Famine.[26]"

Now my question is, if the 14th Amendment was meant to deny citizenship to the children of immigrants,

DID IT?

When did the children of the above get their citizenship?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

if it meant citizens of another foreign country, he simply had to say:

Children born on USA soil to foreigners who are citizens of a foreign nation are NOT citizens of the USA upon birth.

HE DID NOT say that Kaz....

If they meant the children of illegal aliens, all they had to do was say so. It never occurred to them they had to address that ridiculous point.

This is why our legal system is such a cluster. I had to put in my employee manual a whole list of stupid things like my employees have to act in the company's interest, they can't steal, they can't get paid on the side and a whole bunch of other stuff so I could fire them if they did it. As if seriously I had to stay that.

You do love that system though

Who were the illegals in 1866?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Let's enjoy some facts:

"Between 1850 and 1930, about 5 million Germans migrated to the United States with a peak in the years between 1881 and 1885, when a million Germans left Germany and settled mostly in the Midwest. Between 1820 and 1930, 3.5 million British and 4.5 million Irish entered America. Before 1845 most Irish immigrants were Protestants. After 1845, Irish Catholics began arriving in large numbers, largely driven by the Great Famine.[26]"

Now my question is, if the 14th Amendment was meant to deny citizenship to the children of immigrants,

DID IT?

When did the children of the above get their citizenship?

1882 immigration laws excluded persons likely to become public charges as well as a tax on each immigrant

among other things

 

[jon_berzerk]

1819

congress enacted federal legislation relating specifically to immigration

1- established the continuing reporting of immigration to the United States

2-set specific sustenance rules for passengers of ships leavingUnited States ports for Europe

 

[ogibillm]

Maybe he should have been clear in writing his amendment

The courts do not think so

what's funny is the quote doesn't say what sassy thinks it does. the only exemption being made is for the family of diplomats.

you know her source is shitty too when the quote was not written but is instead from the congressional records

 

[ogibillm]

Um..I'm not arguing that ambassador's children are citizens, that's not a point in contention. I'm saying it's ridiculous to think the Constitution was written to grant citizenship rights to criminals. You are subject to the laws of the United States when you are in the United States

babies aren't criminals. they've committed no illegal act. dumbass
and you admit that those born here are subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. double dumbass

 

[bodecea]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Too funny. So you want over 100 years of judicial decisions wiped out......why of course you do. Because it's what a stupid person such as yourself would think is going to happen.

 

[Montrovant]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

if it meant citizens of another foreign country, he simply had to say:

Children born on USA soil to foreigners who are citizens of a foreign nation are NOT citizens of the USA upon birth.

HE DID NOT say that Kaz....

If they meant the children of illegal aliens, all they had to do was say so. It never occurred to them they had to address that ridiculous point.

This is why our legal system is such a cluster. I had to put in my employee manual a whole list of stupid things like my employees have to act in the company's interest, they can't steal, they can't get paid on the side and a whole bunch of other stuff so I could fire them if they did it. As if seriously I had to stay that.

You do love that system though

If the amendment writers were alive today, perhaps they would have worded it differently. Then again, that could be said about just about all our constitutional amendments. What the amendment says is that being born here, unless you are the child of a diplomat or other foreign representative not subject to US jurisdiction, makes you a US citizen.

There's no reason a new amendment cannot be made to change that so the children of illegal immigrants do not gain citizenship by being born here.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If the amendment writers were alive today, perhaps they would have worded it differently. Then again, that could be said about just about all our constitutional amendments. What the amendment says is that being born here, unless you are the child of a diplomat or other foreign representative not subject to US jurisdiction, makes you a US citizen.

There's no reason a new amendment cannot be made to change that so the children of illegal immigrants do not gain citizenship by being born here.

And you are free to try and do so. It looks like this:

"In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of
Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has
determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date
of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the
United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent
resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of
which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is
entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country,
shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign
country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the
meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen
of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence
within the United States at the moment of birth.”