Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

dog40.jpg


OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
GasVolume(A)
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
 
Obviously, this is the result of human activity here on Earth, if you want to believe the delusions and distortions of the goof-ball ignorant idiots whom support false hypothesis of ACC/AGW;
....

The Universe Just Keeps Getting Hotter. That Shouldn't Be Happening.​

And it probably doesn’t bode well for Earth.
...
Is it just us, or is it getting hot out there? Research shows our rapidly growing universe keeps heating up.

Nearly a century ago, scientists worked out that our universe is expanding. More recently, researchers discovered this rate of expansion is increasing as time ticks by. As our universe expands, the galaxies, stars, planets, and all they contain move farther and farther apart. This means our universe should be getting colder as it expands.

But that may not be the case after all. A team of international scientists compared the temperature of cosmic gas farther away from Earth (and, therefore, farther back in time) to younger gases nearer to our planet and to the present day.

According to their calculations, in the past 10 billion years, the mean temperature of these gases has increased by more than 10 times, Universe Today reports. Their analysis revealed the cosmic gas spread across our universe can reach temperatures of roughly 4 million degrees Fahrenheit. The scientists published their findings in October 2020 in the Astrophysical Journal.

What's the deal here? ...
.........

 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

dog40.jpg


OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
GasVolume(A)
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

dog40.jpg


OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
GasVolume(A)
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

dog40.jpg


OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
GasVolume(A)
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
Not if, as you do, you don't accept what they say.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
So you don't agree with NASA... Sure, why not. Seems kind of weird, though.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

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OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
GasVolume(A)
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
Not if, as you do, you don't accept what they say.




I am not a religious nut job bowing down to high priests spewing scripture.

Correct. I'm a SCIENTIST! I require evidence before I consider a theory valid.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
So you don't agree with NASA... Sure, why not. Seems kind of weird, though.



Point to a NASA produced scientific paper that doesn't rely on computer modeling.

Just one will do.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

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OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
GasVolume(A)
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
Not if, as you do, you don't accept what they say.




I am not a religious nut job bowing down to high priests spewing scripture.

Correct. I'm a SCIENTIST! I require evidence before I consider a theory valid.
Do you believe that NASA has recently sent rovers to Mars? But they can't measure earth's atmospheric gases? Bizarre.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
So you don't agree with NASA... Sure, why not. Seems kind of weird, though.



Point to a NASA produced scientific paper that doesn't rely on computer modeling.

Just one will do.
Is that some kind of random yardstick or what?
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

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OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
GasVolume(A)
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
Not if, as you do, you don't accept what they say.




I am not a religious nut job bowing down to high priests spewing scripture.

Correct. I'm a SCIENTIST! I require evidence before I consider a theory valid.
Do you believe that NASA has recently sent rovers to Mars? But they can't measure earth's atmospheric gases? Bizarre.



Show a lab experiment that shows a infinitesimal amount of CO2 leads to warming.

The only evidence we have shows CO2 follows temp increases.

Which proves your claim to be false.

That's called science.

Not the anti science religious dogma you spew.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
So you don't agree with NASA... Sure, why not. Seems kind of weird, though.



Point to a NASA produced scientific paper that doesn't rely on computer modeling.

Just one will do.
Is that some kind of random yardstick or what?



No, it's called the scientific method. You should learn about it.

It's what makes science secular, and not religious.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

dog40.jpg


OR ...

on-the-internet.jpg

My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
GasVolume(A)
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
Not if, as you do, you don't accept what they say.




I am not a religious nut job bowing down to high priests spewing scripture.

Correct. I'm a SCIENTIST! I require evidence before I consider a theory valid.
Do you believe that NASA has recently sent rovers to Mars? But they can't measure earth's atmospheric gases? Bizarre.



Show a lab experiment that shows a infinitesimal amount of CO2 leads to warming.

The only evidence we have shows CO2 follows temp increases.

Which proves your claim to be false.

That's called science.

Not the anti science religious dogma you spew.
Is it cool if I just take your word for that?
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
So you don't agree with NASA... Sure, why not. Seems kind of weird, though.



Point to a NASA produced scientific paper that doesn't rely on computer modeling.

Just one will do.
Is that some kind of random yardstick or what?



No, it's called the scientific method. You should learn about it.

It's what makes science secular, and not religious.
So my link to NASA isn't scientific? Not sure that I understand.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

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OR ...

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My profile info? That's what you're upset about? :lol:
Profile details and extent tend to be minumumal among trolls and other dis-informationist. Hence one of the first signs one is dealing with a dis-informationist, troll, propagandist.

If you haven't balls and guts to be honest on whom and what you are, likely you are not honest on what you present. QED!

Your "Profile" is secondary validation that you are a troll and phony!
Actually, I didn't realize that, I'm new here, lol. So everyone here is 100% truthful about their profile?
Of course not dummy.
If your reading and comprehension skills were up to par, you'd see that I pointed out that you say nothing about whom you are or your credentials, and such is one of other indicators regards quality, integrity, and value of your posts.

Speaking of which, it's clear you aren't up to speed on any of the science or math regards this topic, rather you are just another sheep of the herd waiting to be told what to do.
I forgot, what's your degree in again?
Same one the Wright brothers had when they proved science wrong on the powered heavier than air flight issue.

What's your degree in?
I'm agreeing with scientists, so I don't need a degree.
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

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Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
Which specific humans?
What specific "noxious gases"?

What Ding is talking about is directly relevant since it relates to temperatures and climatic conditions.
You on the other hand display lack of knowledge or grasp of the subject. Just another troll getting off on seeing his/her/its words on the screen.
He's talking about the overall temp, among other things. That's irrelevant to what humans are doing to the atmosphere.
The foundation for the hypothesis of Anthropogenic (human caused) Climate Change (ACC) often defined also as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is that the whole atmosphere is warming due to a slight increase of CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) content(percentage) and it's temporary heat(IR) retention.

At @400 ppm(dry) (ppm=Part Per Million)('dry' = not accounting for water vapor content) for CO2, that expresses as 400/1,000,000; which reduces down to 1/2,500. The nonsense/non-science of ACC~AGW is that the one part (CO2) transfers its heat to the other 2,499 parts (Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, etc.), raising their collective temperature as well.

Most middle school students whom have passed their basic math and general science classes should see the fallacy of this concept.
Did you make that up yourself? Because i see no link.
Are you really as dumb as a bag of rocks ???!!!

A basic web-search produces;

Atmosphere of Earth​

...
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.[8] Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere. Air composition, temperature, and atmospheric pressure vary with altitude, and air suitable for use in photosynthesis by terrestrial plants and breathing of terrestrial animals is found only in Earth's troposphere and in artificial atmospheres.
...
Major constituents of dry air, by volume[8]
GasVolume(A)
NameFormulain ppmv(B)in %
Not included in above dry atmosphere:
notes:
(A) volume fraction is equal to mole fraction for ideal gas only,
also see volume (thermodynamics)
(B) ppmv: parts per million by volume
(C) The concentration of CO
2 has been increasing in recent decades
(D) Water vapor is about 0.25% by mass over full atmosphere
(E) Water vapor varies significantly locally[11]
N2780,84078.084
O2209,46020.946
Ar9,3400.9340
Carbon dioxide
(December, 2020)(C)[13]
CO
2
415.000.041500
Neon
Ne18.180.001818
He5.240.000524
CH41.870.000187
Kr1.140.000114
H2O0–30,000(D)0–3%(E)

800px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, thanks for validating you don't know squat about what you are saying; don't know basic math or basic general science. You prove what is wrong in letting the ignorant have a vote.
All this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is man's effect on the climate. Now bugger off, you fucking twat.





And not one of your heroes has ever presented empirical (that means real, you ignorant toad) evidence to support the claim.

Not one.
Not if, as you do, you don't accept what they say.




I am not a religious nut job bowing down to high priests spewing scripture.

Correct. I'm a SCIENTIST! I require evidence before I consider a theory valid.
Do you believe that NASA has recently sent rovers to Mars? But they can't measure earth's atmospheric gases? Bizarre.



Show a lab experiment that shows a infinitesimal amount of CO2 leads to warming.

The only evidence we have shows CO2 follows temp increases.

Which proves your claim to be false.

That's called science.

Not the anti science religious dogma you spew.
Is it cool if I just take your word for that?




Of course not. Do some real research and find it out for yourself. I am a firm supporter of the Socratic Method.
 
Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't. ;)
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.
What's your degree in?
Engineering. What's yours in?
So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?
I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?
I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.
I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.
I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.
You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.
Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?
SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?
I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA. :lol:
I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.
I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around. :lmao:
You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?
Says Mr Perfect. :lol:
The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.
So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.
Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.
Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?
I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.
So why doesn't NASA/scientists in the field agree with you?




The field/working scientists do.

It's the political hacks at the top who spew your crap.
Prove it or stfu.
Typical Leftist~Socialist~communist agenda, "If you don't agree with me you have no right to speak"

Thank you Goebbels.
He can't prove what he claims. I win.
The oxygen isotope curves that you admitted you didn't know what they were is your proof, dummy.
I must have stumbled into the Mensa thread. How many Nobels do you have? I bet more than 1.
One does not need to belong to Mensa to know the reasons why the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that our present temperature is still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. It's been well documented. No one disputes it. The question is why you don't know it.

One does not need to belong to Mensa to know that if our present temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles then we are still within the normal temperature range of interglacial cycles. It's called using logic. No one can dispute it. The question is why you don't know it.
That's not even the point. It's about how humans are adding noxious gases to the atmosphere, at what rate, and what's that's doing to the planet. What you're talking about is irrelevant.
That is the point. No one can say it is because we are still in the normal range for an interglacial cycle. And CO2 is not a noxious gas. CO2 is a vital component of the carbon cycle that life on this planet depends upon.
It has nothing to do with normal range, it's the extra amount that humans are adding that's the point. Temps are heading up faster because of humans, sure, we're still within some kind of range, but that's irrelevant, it's how much faster we're making it change. We're just not one the same page, I guess.




There is ZERO evidence for your claim.
So you don't agree with NASA... Sure, why not. Seems kind of weird, though.



Point to a NASA produced scientific paper that doesn't rely on computer modeling.

Just one will do.
Is that some kind of random yardstick or what?



No, it's called the scientific method. You should learn about it.

It's what makes science secular, and not religious.
So my link to NASA isn't scientific? Not sure that I understand.




No, your link to NASA is an opinion piece. Do you understand the difference between opinion, and evidence?
 

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