MAGAs are coming for your government-run, entitlement program. It's all on the table.

[g5000]

SassyIrishLass

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants​

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• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.

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In many respects, undocumented immigrants face a harsher tax code than legal residents. They often pay taxes that are dedicated to funding programs from which they are barred from participating because of their immigration status.

 

[g5000]

SassyIrishLass

Pay for personal services performed​

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Illegal aliens (undocumented aliens)​

Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens. Illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) who are nonresident aliens and who receive income from performing independent personal services are subject to 30 percent withholding unless exempt under some provision of law or a tax treaty. Illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) who are resident aliens and who receive income from performing dependent personal services are subject to the same reporting and withholding obligations which apply to U.S. citizens who receive the same kind of income.

 

[g5000]

SassyIrishLass

Do immigrants pay taxes?

Contrary to common assumptions, undocumented immigrants, or those without a valid and unexpired visa or other form of legal status, also pay federal, state, and local taxes

 

[g5000]

We shall now observe SassyIrishLass double down on her ignorance.

 

[Concerned American]

What makes you think that you as an older man, should receive mercy, and compassion from your community, and those who are younger than you who need help, shouldn't get any assistance or social services (no mercy or compassion)? Our government can serve you, as an older man, and also others, who are facing different challenges and circumstances.

Try again junior. Clean your stomach window and read your posts. The only attacks on this thread have been the uneducated, profane rantings of a racist bigot that feels the world owes him a life. Slither off under the rock you came from, rookie. We've seen your kind before.

 

[Concerned American]

that our government can provide them with.

Show me where in the constitution that it says the gov't will provide you with anything.

 

[Oddball]

Elon Musk issues major Social Security warning

The tech magnate said some $1 billion is lost every week due to fraud.

www.newsweek.com

Elon Musk's access to Treasury's payment system is raising alarms. Here's what to know.

Elon Musk's control of a federal payment system is raising concerns about funding for programs like Social Security and the safety of personal data.

www.cbsnews.com

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-security-beneficiaries-every-reason-141525807.html

Elon Musk’s recent comments about “widespread fraud” in federal entitlements have sparked intense debate, particularly after Congressman Riley Moore’s remarks about cutting what he called “mandatory spendings”, programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Republicans have already put forth budget resolutions calling for billions of dollars in cuts to Medicaid and food assistance programs, effectively targeting society’s most vulnerable. Musk recently commented alleging billions of dollars in fraudulent Social Security payments, a claim made without evidence and contrary to the Social Security Administration’s protocols requiring valid identification for benefits. Musk’s statements are an effort to sow doubt about the legitimacy of these programs, laying the groundwork for potentially drastic reductions in Social Security under the guise of “efficiency” or “fraud prevention.”

Wringing out the fraud isn't ending the program, dope.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Elon Musk issues major Social Security warning

The tech magnate said some $1 billion is lost every week due to fraud.

www.newsweek.com

Elon Musk's access to Treasury's payment system is raising alarms. Here's what to know.

Elon Musk's control of a federal payment system is raising concerns about funding for programs like Social Security and the safety of personal data.

www.cbsnews.com

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-security-beneficiaries-every-reason-141525807.html

Elon Musk’s recent comments about “widespread fraud” in federal entitlements have sparked intense debate, particularly after Congressman Riley Moore’s remarks about cutting what he called “mandatory spendings”, programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Republicans have already put forth budget resolutions calling for billions of dollars in cuts to Medicaid and food assistance programs, effectively targeting society’s most vulnerable. Musk recently commented alleging billions of dollars in fraudulent Social Security payments, a claim made without evidence and contrary to the Social Security Administration’s protocols requiring valid identification for benefits. Musk’s statements are an effort to sow doubt about the legitimacy of these programs, laying the groundwork for potentially drastic reductions in Social Security under the guise of “efficiency” or “fraud prevention.”

You must be a net recipient of government handouts instead of contributing to society, yourself.


Otherwise, you would worry about where all your hard-earned money is going.

 

[jknowgood]

You stupid ignorant retard, don't you realize that the US Federal Government will never go insolvent? Our federal government is the EXCLUSIVE ISSUER OF THE USD:

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The GOP retard, Paul Ryan, pretending that Social Security has a solvency problem. There's no solvency issue with Social Security or Medicare, or any of the major social programs, YOU IGNORANT IDIOT. The issue is production. Does our country have enough goods and services to offer the recipients of Social Security. That's why you had to pay into the system, when you were working. When you and I are in the workforce, we pay "our dues" to the system, telling it:

"YES I HAVE A JOB, I AM BEING PRODUCTIVE, BY PRODUCING AND DELIVERING GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE MARKETPLACE, I AM CLOCKING IN AT LEAST FIVE DAYS WEEKLY WITH MY EMPLOYER/EXPLOITER, I'M ALSO A PAYING CONSUMER".....

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YOU DIDN'T PAY INTO THE SYSTEM, BECAUSE THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS YOUR MONEY IN ORDER TO PAY YOU BACK WHEN YOU REACH RETIREMENT AGE. That's not how the system works. You pay into the system in order to "clock in", signaling Uncle Sam (letting him know), that you are being productive. You're contributing to the GDP.

If we keep spending money the way there are now. We will be bankrupt, dumbass.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Show me where in the constitution that it says the gov't will provide you with anything.

The US Constitution doesn't say anything about our government providing courts of law, law enforcement, a military, and the ability to provide a social safety net to the working class. Where in the US Constitution does it say that our elderly, can't receive a Social Security pension or Medicare? Where does it say that the poor or even all Americans can't receive, Medicaid or Medicare? Why does Medicare only have to be for elderly folks? Why not for the younger generation that is now in the workforce? Where is it written in stone, or in the heavens, that the US Constitution can't be amended or that it's the Word Of God and hence can't be changed?

As a member of the human race, and also as a person who is part of a society, a citizen of a country, I have certain obligations towards you. I may not like you for political reasons, because of your ignorant stupidity, but you're still a human being and an American. There's something called a "social contract". If I see you drowning in the pool or in a lake, and I can help you and I decide not to, I'm liable. I can go to prison, if I just walk away and don't at the very least make an effort to get some help. I need to call 911 and tell them someone is drowning in the pool, and even though I can't swim, I'm trying to help. I owe you that. I don't like you, but you're still a human being, with certain rights that I must recognize.

When we neglect the poor and pretend that we don't owe anything to anyone ("Am I my brother's keeper" asked Cain after murdering his brother Abel - God said "YES YOU ARE YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER..."), we create the conditions that sabotage our lives. We're like leaves in a tree, and if that tree becomes diseased, we all suffer. We're like individual cells, comprising part of an organism, a biological body, and when one cell is diseased, that "pathology" can spread, throughout the body, until the organism dies. An organism or biological body, is like a community, a country, and when one part of it suffers, the whole body is distressed and suffers. I am my brother's keeper, I am, to a certain extent, responsible for the "welfare", the wellbeing, health, safety, and security, of my neighbor.

Your cold, cynical, misanthropic, indifference towards your fellow human beings hurts you and everybody else. You're hurting yourself and others when you adopt this worldview, where supposedly no one owes you anything and you don't owe anyone. No sir, the world does owe you something and you owe the world. We are all INTERDEPENDENT. There's no one who is independent, but GOD ALMIGHTY. That's about it. GOD is INDEPENDENT. Non-contingent. Everybody else is a contingent reality, depending upon others, in one way or another. We are all dependent upon each other. Wake up old man, because at your age, you should already know this. A 52 year old "boy" (as you call me), shouldn't have to teach you this.

 

[Oddball]

When we neglect the poor and pretend that we don't owe anything to anyone ("Am I my brother's keeper" asked Cain after murdering his brother Abel - God said "YES YOU ARE YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER..."),

Total misreading of the context of the quote and the Biblical story.

If you deranged moonbats couldn't lie -and particularly about scripture- you'd have nothing at all to say.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Because Trump and his minions really give a shit about the courts, right? You also assume that Medicaid, SNAP and other social programs of that type, aren't needed or are a waste of resources. Without mitigating the negative effects of capitalism, with a robust social safety net for the working class and all people in general, capitalism doesn't work.

Trickle-down economics, Milton Friedman, neo-liberal "free-market" capitalism leads to gross inequality and social unrest. What works best when there's a marketplace, is a mixed economy. Some capitalism, with markets, AND a bit of socialism. Actually, quite a bit of socialism. That's what is functional, and proven, to work in modern, industrialized economies. Neoliberal Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged" economics is a crock of shit. The "Austrian School of Economics" = BULLSHIT. It's worth less than toilet paper. There are no invisible hands of a self-regulating market. That's a fantasy, unicorn idea, that doesn't function in the real world.

So you're an American citizen living in the U.S. who is an anti-capitalist. How quaint.

 

[Oddball]

So you're an American citizen living in the U.S. who is an anti-capitalist. How quaint.

Such a great country that even the people who hate it refuse to leave.

 

[g5000]

Show me where in the constitution that it says the gov't will provide you with anything.

You mean like the $2.8 billion in tax subsidies and grants Musk has received from the government?

You mean like farm subsidies?

You mean like tax abatements for selected businesses? Picking the winners and losers? Like that?

You mean subsidies for tobacco, steel, alcohol, weapons, and textiles?

Why isn't DOGE boi going after those?

"Do what I say, not what I do."

 

[toobfreak]

Republicans have already put forth budget resolutions calling for billions of dollars in cuts to Medicaid and food assistance programs, effectively targeting society’s most vulnerable. ​

Your grandmother wears army boots. They are cutting nothing from legitimate recipients, only cutting out the fraud to liars, cheats, and buttholes like you stealing from the system. Better start looking for a job.

 

[Godboy]

The cool thing about the GOP being in total control is that they no longer have valid excuses for not being able to do something as elementary as prosecuting those who commit crimes.

Well, other than the democrat party finding lefty judges who are willing to throw out their integrity by challenging every move we make, which takes a shitload of time for us to resolve in courts. YOU guys are doing every fucking thing you can stop stop us from doing the above ^. Its hard to find criminals when you block our investigation.

 

[Hollie]

You stupid motherfucker, if production continues to provide goods and services, that won't happen DURRRRRR. Now with advanced automation and AI, production is going to become 100x more efficient, you dumbass. All the US government has to do is tax the billionaires for every fucking robot they exploit in their companies, that replaces a human worker. You tax them, and that's exactly what they don't want hence they're fucking you right now, eliminating social services out of fear of being taxed in the future. They're going to tell your parents that they don't need Medicare anymore because they're now getting a UBI.

The dollar can continue being our currency, and medium of exchange in the marketplace. Don't you want a marketplace? I'm being generous Todd, because as a socialist, especially in the modern age, I can effectively discard markets. BUT, why cause such turmoil, abruptly throwing away markets, when we can do it gradually, in a couple of centuries. We can keep the marketplace, if we tax billionaires and require people to work, something you apparently don't like. Work and taxing billionaire parasites. You're a dumbass Todd.

Typical leftist idiocy. “Tax the billionaires” and all problems are solved.

“Tax the billionaires” won’t solve the problem of leftist greed, fraud and corruption as we see with USAID being little more than a leftist slush fund.

 

[Concerned American]

The US Constitution doesn't say anything about our government providing courts of law, law enforcement, a military, and the ability to provide a social safety net to the working class.

Your ignorance is without bounds. Courts, law enforcement and military are all addressed in the constitution. Nothing about social safety nets though. If you find one, link it.

Where in the US Constitution does it say that our elderly, can't receive a Social Security pension or Medicare?

You are correct. There is nothing in the constitution that addresses that either. It is a democrat tax that was enacted by FDR. Next.

Where does it say that the poor or even all Americans can't receive, Medicaid or Medicare?

Where does it say the government will provide it? You're not too good at this.

Where is it written in stone, or in the heavens, that the US Constitution can't be amended

It has been amended 27 times moron. Go for it.

There's something called a "social contract".

LOL, Please present that contract in a court of law. The gov't owes you NOTHING.

When we neglect the poor and pretend that we don't owe anything to anyone ("Am I my brother's keeper" asked Cain after murdering his brother Abel - God said "YES YOU ARE YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER..."),

Don't quote from ideologies that by your own posts, you clearly don't patronize, hypocrite. Now run along junior. You are responsible for YOURSELF. I have no responsibility to support you. I didn't create you and I damn sure have no obligation to support you, comrade.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Exactly you stupid motherfucker, and you know absolutely nothing about me. You're just too dumb to figure out how ironic your line of argumentation is. You resort to personal attacks, disparaging my character, asserting that I'm a lazy bum, when you know nothing about me, you dumb ass. You're a bum, how about that punk? You're going to lose, the Millenials and Zoomers, the new generation, our future as a nation, are going to beat you White racist, lazy scumbags. Go get a job scumbag, and stop living off of the government.

Just because you're a geriatric case, doesn't justify you living off of the government. Why should the government provide you with a Social Security pension and Medicare? That's socialism. Are you a socialist, you lazy geezer? What makes you think that society should care about you and not a single mother in her late teens or 20s, that needs a bit of help, to get her on her feet? What makes you think that you as an older man, should receive mercy, and compassion from your community, and those who are younger than you who need help, shouldn't get any assistance or social services (no mercy or compassion)? Our government can serve you, as an older man, and also others, who are facing different challenges and circumstances.

The gull of right-wing scumbags like you, collecting Social Security and Medicare, while fighting politically, to stop younger people who are in the workforce, and laboring, from also receiving medical coverage, and other benefits, that our government can provide them with. These people are working, HARD, to make sure that old geezers like you receiving Social Security and Medicare have goods and services to purchase with their monthly incomes. They deserve to earn a living wage, live in a nation where the cost of living is reasonable, where people don't have to spend more than 1/3rd of their income in rent or a mortgage.

You right-wing conservative assholes are going to make life so horrible and insecure, unsafe for the working class, that you're going to inspire what is happening now. Bernie Sanders and AOC are organizing a mass, grassroots, working-class movement that is going to completely defeat you, without firing a bullet. We're going to kick your self-righteous, right-wing conservative asses. Politically you're going to be up the creek without a paddle in 2028, and you're going to be dealing with one lawsuit after another until the next presidential election. The Judiciary is going to kick your butts.

"You resort to personal attacks, disparaging my character"

Then turns around and says......................................

"Exactly you stupid motherfucker"
"You're just too dumb"
"you know nothing about me, you dumb ass. You're a bum, how about that punk?"
"White racist, lazy scumbags. Go get a job scumbag, and stop living off of the government."
Etc, etc, and more etc...................

Lol!!! Pot, meet kettle!

 

[g5000]

Elon Musk’s growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies​

Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times. The figure underscores a common theme running through his emerging empire: a public-private financing model underpinning long-shot start-ups.

“He definitely goes where there is government money,” said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. “That’s a great strategy, but the government will cut you off one day.”

The figure compiled by The Times comprises a variety of government incentives, including grants, tax breaks, factory construction, discounted loans and environmental credits that Tesla can sell. It also includes tax credits and rebates to buyers of solar panels and electric cars.



Here is a breakdown of the government subsidies Musk has received:

Subsidy Tracker

Subsidy Tracker, produced by the Corporate Research Project of Good Jobs First, is a wide-ranging database on misconduct by large and small corporations throughout the United States.

subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org

Why don't we claw that shit back first, Elon, you fucking hypocrite?


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