Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

[Bleipriester]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

The only way to have an effective Euro defense force is rearming Germany, especially without the UK.

Germany cannot provide enough soldiers. Unless you create 100 Christopher Street Divisions, the arms would be pretty lonely.

 

[Meathead]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

The only way to have an effective Euro defense force is rearming Germany, especially without the UK.

Germany cannot provide enough soldiers. Unless you create 100 Christopher Street Divisions, the arms would be pretty lonely.

What? Germany is a country of 90 million and the financial ability to fully militarize. Without Germany, France and Greece can probably take on Turkey but no other potential threat.

 

[Bleipriester]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

The only way to have an effective Euro defense force is rearming Germany, especially without the UK.

Germany cannot provide enough soldiers. Unless you create 100 Christopher Street Divisions, the arms would be pretty lonely.

What? Germany is a country of 90 million and the financial ability to fully militarize. Without Germany, France and Greece can probably take on Turkey but no other potential threat.

They have educated their youth to be softies and fairies, not soldiers. Arm them and send them to the front lines, they will be useless.

 

[Meathead]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

The only way to have an effective Euro defense force is rearming Germany, especially without the UK.

Germany cannot provide enough soldiers. Unless you create 100 Christopher Street Divisions, the arms would be pretty lonely.

What? Germany is a country of 90 million and the financial ability to fully militarize. Without Germany, France and Greece can probably take on Turkey but no other potential threat.

They have educated their youth to be softies and fairies, not soldiers. Arm them and send them to the front lines, they will be useless.

You're fighting the world wars of the last century.

 

[Bleipriester]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

The only way to have an effective Euro defense force is rearming Germany, especially without the UK.

Germany cannot provide enough soldiers. Unless you create 100 Christopher Street Divisions, the arms would be pretty lonely.

What? Germany is a country of 90 million and the financial ability to fully militarize. Without Germany, France and Greece can probably take on Turkey but no other potential threat.

They have educated their youth to be softies and fairies, not soldiers. Arm them and send them to the front lines, they will be useless.

You're fighting the world wars of the last century.

And?

 

[zaangalewa]

All Germans love Red Indians - and many other cultures. And all Germans love also the cultures of the past. That's the way it was and that's the way it is. You are just simple not a German, anti-German, otherwise you would know such simple things.

Making up shit here is not a good point. And you are very likely romanticizing the rough and hard life of the Indians and other native tribes.

Everyone knows that a rhetorical question is no question - what let me ask again: "Are you with anything right what you ever said - or is everything always only wrong, what you try to tell others and yourselve?"

Again, this is a stupid question. I am neither always right nor always wrong. The question demonstrates your black and white thinking, though.

You was always only wrong with everything what you said and what I read. But perhaps some of your lies could be true. But would you be able to know this?

Your bs is not believed.

This strange being of which and to which you speak here is somehow really fascinating. What is this? But I don't have to know everything. Even my curiosity ends sometimes.

Facts are simply stronger than your bs.

Sure you are a fact. But whether you are stronger or weaker than me is totally unimportant for me. I don't live in your world. And I am convinced - and you convince me again and again and again and ... : Who believes you or in you is lost! Even in case it seems not to be wrong, what you say sometimes. Leave your wrong way - that's your only chance. And don't ask me what's the right way for you. I don't know.



Im Woid is so staad
Alle Weg san verwaht
|:Alle Weg san verschniebn
Is koa Steigerl net bliebn:|

Hörst D'as z'weitdest im Woid
Wann da Schnee oba foit
|:Wann se 's Asterl o'biagt
Wann a Vogerl auffliagt:|

Aber heit kunnts scho sei
Es waar no moi so fei
|:Es waar no moi so staad
Dass se gar nix riahrn daat:|

Kimmt de Heilige Nacht
Und da Woid is aufgwacht
|:Schaun de Hosn und Reh
Schaun de Hirsch iban Schnee:|

Ham se neamad ned g'fragt
Hot's ean' nemad ned g'sagt
und se kennan's doch woi'
D'Muatta Gottes im Woid.

You are a funny monkey.

Sure, racist, atheistic one.

Maybe you get a job in a zoo.

Zoo? ... Hmm ... Who knows. I never was sure when Noah made/makes/will make his ark.

 

[zaangalewa]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

The only way to have an effective Euro defense force is rearming Germany, especially without the UK.

Germany cannot provide enough soldiers. Unless you create 100 Christopher Street Divisions, the arms would be pretty lonely.

What? Germany is a country of 90 million and the financial ability to fully militarize. Without Germany, France and Greece can probably take on Turkey but no other potential threat.

They have educated their youth to be softies and fairies, not soldiers. Arm them and send them to the front lines, they will be useless.

And what is the difference to world war 1+2? All German soldiers in both wars were not only useless - they had been even counterproductive.

 

[Silver Cat]

Did you, Krauts, read the answer of the German "Government" on the request of your Parliament?

https://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/244/1924493.pdf

Do you still believe, that those clowns can make a new "Aktion Konserve" even for their own unassuming audience?

 

[ESay]

That's a laugh, they don't even want to pay their NATO dues. ...

What's a bullshit. Everyone pays the own army - and Germany pays the same money to the institution NATO as the USA is doing, I heard. Best is meanwhile really to do what Trump said in this context - but on totally other reasons: You are not able to defend what you hate. And the USA hates as well Germany as it hates Europe. So take your soldiers - all of them. Leave Germany. Bye bye. I don't like to have here in Germany an army full of idiots, who hate everyone, who is not an US-American.

You fucking monkey. Welcomes every fucking monkey that hates us, our culture, religion, everything.

Good grief. And this says the extremist Nazi idiot, who once tried to convince everyone that he is a German.

Why couldn't he (or she given the avatar??) be some AfD type guy?

Do-gooders do not distinguish between right-wingers and nazis in Germany. Everyone right to themselves is a nazi. But I am neither. AfD is too "market-liberal" in my opinion.

Wouldn't that make you more national socialist then? Actually, I don't think you're a Nazi, but you are pro-Russia.

Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
And I am pro-Russia, if you like to call it like that. I am not against Russia, they are our big neighbor, sanity demands a good relationship. I strongly oppose any attempt to create an iron curtain. It is as costly for us as it is for them. Those who force us to decide between Russia and the USA, and it is not the Russians, should have no say in my country. We can all come together and improve our lives, reduce tensions and leave that medieval shit behind.

zaangalewa is just a moron, he denies his own people the right to an own country but demands an own country for Indians. That might be the core of his insane America-hatred.

so you want to be friends with russia

a country that attacks us in various ways
a bully to its neighbors
a country that regularly tries to instigate trouble with our military
a country that, every day, mocks and ridicules us in their media
a country that assassinates people

but you do not to be friends with liberal americans because we accept gay rights, want pot legalized and do not want the bible used as law of the land....

you make me sick

They are Europeans. They don't want freedom, because freedom means responsibility. They really need jackboots smashing their faces - does not matter whose - Stalin's, Hitler's, Napoleon's, Putin's or even Macron's.

Your freedom starts at 4:30:

It seems they tried to block the road.

It doesn´t matter. It is just the same, Russia, Belarus, Germany, USA.

It is just ridiculous to compare these countries basing on demonstrations. They are too different in cultural background, mentality, political establishment etc.

 

[zaangalewa]

Did you, Krauts,

Do you know that always when an US-American is using this expression, then this is only showing the very deep problems of the mentality of the US-people?

read the answer of the German "Government" on the request of your Parliament?

https://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/244/1924493.pdf

Do you still believe, that those clowns can make a new "Aktion Konserve" even for their own unassuming audience?

Whatever someone from the AfD - a political pseudo-party full of Nazis and useful idiots of Nazis - "asks" the German government is totally unimportant for me.

 

[bendog]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

As your link discussed, they have a multiplicity of weapons that makes supply impossible. It would be a long-term project. And while I don't see it in the link, the EU would still lack much of a nuclear deterrent, which would leave them open not just to black mail, but some tactical disadvantage.

But having a smaller US conventional force in Europe would be to everyone's advantage probably … except maybe the Baltics. Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares me.

 

[Invisibleflash]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

Go ahead. America can't foot the bill for the world. And with China Joe and Comi Kamila who knows what China will demand.

 

[ESay]

Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares m

The Poles? Why on them?

 

[HenryBHough]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

Velcome to der Fourth Reich!

 

[Silver Cat]

Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares m

The Poles? Why on them?

Because the Poles are the best of the worst.
You know:

 

[ESay]

Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares m

The Poles? Why on them?

Because the Poles are the best of the worst.
You know:

If that is about Eastern Europe, then may be. But we are talking about all-European army.

 

[Silver Cat]

Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares m

The Poles? Why on them?

Because the Poles are the best of the worst.
You know:

If that is about Eastern Europe, then may be. But we are talking about all-European army.

Poles are best, even if we are talking about the whole Europe. The Froggies and the Krauts don't want to fight.

 

[zaangalewa]

What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

As your link discussed, they have a multiplicity of weapons that makes supply impossible. It would be a long-term project. And while I don't see it in the link, the EU would still lack much of a nuclear deterrent, which would leave them open not just to black mail, but some tactical disadvantage.

But having a smaller US conventional force in Europe would be to everyone's advantage probably … except maybe the Baltics. Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares me.

We scare you? Germany never had done anything bad to the USA - Never in history! You had totally destroyed Germany in two world wars without any reason to have to do so - together with the Czar and the Soviets. You sold a big part of Europe to the Soviets after World War 2 and you made Germany to a little unimportant national state with an outdying population. Perhaps you are scared about yourselve.

 

[zaangalewa]

Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares m

The Poles? Why on them?

Because the Poles are the best of the worst.
You know:

If that is about Eastern Europe, then may be. But we are talking about all-European army.

Poles are best, even if we are talking about the whole Europe. The Froggies and the Krauts don't want to fight.

The Poles are together with the Hungarians and Slowenia on the tyrannic way into the next dictatorship.

 

[ESay]

Although any European force will have to heavily rely upon the Poles. I'm old enough that Germany still scares m

The Poles? Why on them?

Because the Poles are the best of the worst.
You know:

If that is about Eastern Europe, then may be. But we are talking about all-European army.

Poles are best, even if we are talking about the whole Europe. The Froggies and the Krauts don't want to fight.

Let the Poles begin support themselves without the Krauts and Froggies' money at first. And after that we'll see.