Lockdowns Did Not Work

[Ame®icano]

So why are the healthy people being ordered to stay at home?

1. You don't know whether you are healthy or not since we have no widespread testing 2. If you have it but are asymptomatic, you can spread to others or even kill grandma 3. Nobody is "ordering" you to stay at home - You can go for a drive, go grocery shopping .. even to the hardware store and 4. Have you injected your daily disinfectant yet?

Have you pre-selected your fraction of a second of a Trump statement today?
Do you realize that the dumber you Libs sound the more people will vote for Trump?

Wow. Dig Bubble Logic

Unlike you, at least he's not celebrating record infections and dead Americans.

 

[colfax_m]

If so, than why doctors are wearing masks?

Because they could be asymptomatic carriers.

If they're carriers they shouldn't be with patients, moron. The wear it to protect themselves.

Because it wouldn’t be possible to determine who is a carrier at all times.

Really?

Than, why they were wearing masks and gloves before corona virus ever started?

At all times? Nonsense.

 

[Ame®icano]

Look at this bozzo, signing in with different accounts just to give thumbs down.

 

[playtime]

So why are the healthy people being ordered to stay at home?

1. You don't know whether you are healthy or not since we have no widespread testing 2. If you have it but are asymptomatic, you can spread to others or even kill grandma 3. Nobody is "ordering" you to stay at home - You can go for a drive, go grocery shopping .. even to the hardware store and 4. Have you injected your daily disinfectant yet?

Have you pre-selected your fraction of a second of a Trump statement today?
Do you realize that the dumber you Libs sound the more people will vote for Trump?

Wow. Dig Bubble Logic

Unlike you, at least he's not celebrating record infections and dead Americans.

now - he's been flat out lying about the totals & trying to suppress the real numbers evr since he said he didn't want fellow americans to come off that floating petri dish. why? why you ask?

he 'liked the numbers [of confirmed cases}where they were.'

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

First, we need to stop listening to the amateurs at wall street journal, politico, etc. We don't have the data yet to determine the effectiveness of the lockdowns.

Know that, per the experts, there will certainly be a positive effect of the lockdown. The ultimate question will be : was it worth it? Not: did the lockdowns have any effect? Because yes, the lockdowns reduce the number of cases. And the more virulent the virus, the less the effect of reducing cases.

 

[Dr Grump]

So why are the healthy people being ordered to stay at home?

1. You don't know whether you are healthy or not since we have no widespread testing 2. If you have it but are asymptomatic, you can spread to others or even kill grandma 3. Nobody is "ordering" you to stay at home - You can go for a drive, go grocery shopping .. even to the hardware store and 4. Have you injected your daily disinfectant yet?

Have you pre-selected your fraction of a second of a Trump statement today?
Do you realize that the dumber you Libs sound the more people will vote for Trump?

have you done your daily sucking of Trump's balls yet? Y'know, if the Orange Buffoon actually thought before he spoke, or even better didn't open up his fat trap and spew shit about things he knows nothing about, there wouldn't be so much ammo for his enemies. I thought you neocon, whackadoodle, Deplorable nimrods were all about personal responsibility. It's nobody's fault but the Piece of Scum in the WH's that he is being ridiculed over what he is saying. Instead of being totally embarrassed by his words, you embrace them and blame others. Why do people think the likes of you are dumb as a post? Hhmmm...

 

[Ame®icano]

So why are the healthy people being ordered to stay at home?

1. You don't know whether you are healthy or not since we have no widespread testing 2. If you have it but are asymptomatic, you can spread to others or even kill grandma 3. Nobody is "ordering" you to stay at home - You can go for a drive, go grocery shopping .. even to the hardware store and 4. Have you injected your daily disinfectant yet?

Have you pre-selected your fraction of a second of a Trump statement today?
Do you realize that the dumber you Libs sound the more people will vote for Trump?

have you done your daily sucking of Trump's balls yet? Y'know, if the Orange Buffoon actually thought before he spoke, or even better didn't open up his fat trap and spew shit about things he knows nothing about, there wouldn't be so much ammo for his enemies. I thought you neocon, whackadoodle, Deplorable nimrods were all about personal responsibility. It's nobody's fault but the Piece of Scum in the WH's that he is being ridiculed over what he is saying. Instead of being totally embarrassed by his words, you embrace them and blame others. Why do people think the likes of you are dumb as a post? Hhmmm...

Typical leftist, accusing others of what he does himself.

 

[Pogo]

So why are the healthy people being ordered to stay at home?

1. You don't know whether you are healthy or not since we have no widespread testing 2. If you have it but are asymptomatic, you can spread to others or even kill grandma 3. Nobody is "ordering" you to stay at home - You can go for a drive, go grocery shopping .. even to the hardware store and 4. Have you injected your daily disinfectant yet?

Have you pre-selected your fraction of a second of a Trump statement today?
Do you realize that the dumber you Libs sound the more people will vote for Trump?

Wow. Dig Bubble Logic

Unlike you, at least he's not celebrating record infections and dead Americans.

Get a brain scan. Seriously. They need to find out what's in there in its place.

 

[The Original Tree]

Well, you may be good at counting your merino sheep, or herding kangaroos, keep doing it, it keeps your mind away from complex issues.

...and from conspiracy theorist whackadoodles it seems...

Riiiight... when you don't like what you hear, it's CONNNSPIIIIRASYYYY!

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Deep State is pushing this Scamdemic, and more scams are to come. Resist the Police State.

 

[Ame®icano]

First, we need to stop listening to the amateurs at wall street journal, politico, etc. We don't have the data yet to determine the effectiveness of the lockdowns.

Know that, per the experts, there will certainly be a positive effect of the lockdown. The ultimate question will be : was it worth it? Not: did the lockdowns have any effect? Because yes, the lockdowns reduce the number of cases. And the more virulent the virus, the less the effect of reducing cases.

Damn, I actually agree with you on this.

If all those experts that media is relying on are that good, wouldn't they be working in their private practices, or being employed somewhere where their expertise could actually help? In most cases, they're paid mouthpieces that will say anything to keep them on payroll, nothing else.

 

[Ame®icano]

If so, than why doctors are wearing masks?

Because they could be asymptomatic carriers.

If they're carriers they shouldn't be with patients, moron. The wear it to protect themselves.

Because it wouldn’t be possible to determine who is a carrier at all times.

Really?

Than, why they were wearing masks and gloves before corona virus ever started?

At all times? Nonsense.

With infectious diseases, all the time. Also surgeries, all the time.

 

[Dr Grump]

If they're carriers they shouldn't be with patients, moron. The wear it to protect themselves.

If they're asymptomatic they don't know they're carriers, Moron. No, it has been said over and over again that wearing a mask does nothing to stop you getting the disease. You do realise that most people are getting the disease because they touch their mouth or eyes with their hands after having touched a surface that has the virus on it. How many masks cover your eyes, Moron? The only good thing about wearing a mask is if you knowingly or unknowingly have he disease it stops YOU spreading it. God, no wonder the US is swimming in cases and death. Too many idiots like you think you are informed. You're not.

 

[Ame®icano]

So why are the healthy people being ordered to stay at home?

1. You don't know whether you are healthy or not since we have no widespread testing 2. If you have it but are asymptomatic, you can spread to others or even kill grandma 3. Nobody is "ordering" you to stay at home - You can go for a drive, go grocery shopping .. even to the hardware store and 4. Have you injected your daily disinfectant yet?

Have you pre-selected your fraction of a second of a Trump statement today?
Do you realize that the dumber you Libs sound the more people will vote for Trump?

Wow. Dig Bubble Logic

Unlike you, at least he's not celebrating record infections and dead Americans.

Get a brain scan. Seriously. They need to find out what's in there in its place.

Not everyone has shit for brains like you, pal.

 

[Ame®icano]

If they're carriers they shouldn't be with patients, moron. The wear it to protect themselves.

If they're asymptomatic they don't know they're carriers, Moron. No, it has been said over and over again that wearing a mask does nothing to stop you getting the disease. You do realise that most people are getting the disease because they touch their mouth or eyes with their hands after having touched a surface that has the virus on it. How many masks cover your eyes, Moron? The only good thing about wearing a mask is if you knowingly or unknowingly have he disease it stops YOU spreading it. God, no wonder the US is swimming in cases and death. Too many idiots like you think you are informed. You're not.

Let me put it this way, thong.

If I can still get the virus from you while wearing the mask, then how will my mask save you from me?

 

[cnm]

If I can still get the virus from you while wearing the mask, then how will my mask save you from me?

It will reduce the virus you release to atmosphere.

 

[Dr Grump]

Let me put it this way, thong.

If I can still get the virus from you while wearing the mask, then how will my mask save you from me?

Umm, they're saying if I have the disease and am wearing a mask, the chances of me passing it on to you are greatly reduced due to said mask being worn. Got it?

 

[U2Edge]

Trump will be defeated in November and the Democrats will keep the House and take back the Senate. Then finally the U.S. government and U.S. policy can get back on a sound footing where SCIENCE and the SCIENCE of dealing with pandemics is how we decide what to do, rather than foolish and unsubstantiated ideas about the cost of keeping non-essential business closed down.

1) there is no way that Trump loses this November. You are dreaming if you think he is.

2) Science has never driven any of the left's wished for policies or policies enacted by Cuomo (forcing nursing homes to take in COVID19 patients) or Gretchen the Witch of Michigan (close churches, open pot shops). There is no scientific data showing that the lockdowns work for preventing the disease from spreading as it is far more contagious than we once believed.

3) Economic depression kill people too, dude. For every 1% increase in the Unemployment rate, about 1500 people die across America. We are facing a choice of having higher risk of transmitting COVID19 vrs more suicides from a psychologically depressed labor force.

1.) More likely, there is no way Trump wins in November. FIRST, his victory in 2016 was about as WEAK as a victory can be. Trump failed to win the popular vote, lost it by 2 percentage points and nearly 3 million votes. SECOND, Trump had tiny victories in the 3 states that allowed him to pull out a and electoral college victory. His victory is based on by the skin of your teeth victories in 3 BLUE states, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania and Michigan will overwhelmingly vote for BIDEN this November. Wisconsin is the only state Trump still has any shot in, and its a long shot at this point. Biden almost has it wrapped in the polling in Wisconsin, and then the Democrats are holding their convention in the state. THIRD, Trump's average approval in the GALLUP poll based on all the polls taken over the past three years since he became President remains stuck at 40%. GALLUP has done Presidential approval polling since the 1930s, and Trump's average of 40% is the lowest of any President in history. The next lowest average, Truman at 45%, did not run for re-election in 1952 after winning in 1948 because of his low approval numbers. FOURTH, The United States is entering the worst recession, possibly depression since the 1930s. The economy was Trump's only strength and now that is gone. FIFTH, Blame for this disaster and tragedy of the pandemic in the United States can be laid at Trump's feet. His failure to block and restrict ALL travel from outside the country in January and to ramp up production of tests, masks and other necessities for fighting the pandemic are the reason that the United States is the 12th worst infected country in the world on a per capita basis and has the 12 highest number of deaths in the world on a per capita basis. TAIWAN, the gold standard in this crises, banned and restricted all travel into Taiwan starting January 20, before they had even one confirmed case. TODAY, TAIWAN has only had 429 infections and 6 deaths despite being the most exposed country to China. TAIWAN has a population of 24 million people and is very densely populated. Their population is also older on average than the United States. Yet, the United States has 1.1 million infections and 64,000 deaths and rising each day. You can see the scale of Trump's failure when you compare the infection and deaths in the United States to those in TAIWAN. The American people will blame Trump for this disaster.

2.) SCIENCE has shown travel bans, restrictions and lockdowns are very effective when implemented EARLY and maintained effectively. TAIWAN, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and several other countries have proven this. Isolation PREVENTS the spread of the virus. The Virus is like a fire and needs oxygen to survive. The oxygen in this case is human hosts. When humans are isolated from each other, the virus can't spread and dies. TAIWAN only has 429 infections, and 6 deaths. They currently have only 99 active cases. By the end of the month, the virus will not exist ANYWHERE in TAIWAN.

3.) Economic depressions do not kill as many people as uncontrolled pandemics involving lethal pathogens. World history has proven that. The deaths you describe from economic depression are also indirect and preventable. You can always rebuild and economy. Even Germany and Japan were able to rebuild their economies after both countries were destroyed in World War II. Japan had ever one of its cities firebombed and had two of their cities NUKED. Yet, they rebuilt it all by 1960, even Hiroshima and Nagasaki which were both NUKED were rebuilt by 1958. Population in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1958 was greater than it had been July 1945 just before each city was NUKED. So the economy can be rebuilt and repaired. What you can't do, is bring someone back to life who has physically died of COVID-19.

 

[U2Edge]

Appears all it did was saddle the taxpayer with a couple of trillion dollars more debt. ...

there’s that. I do believe it helped the medical community out, but that reasoning is fast becoming obsolete with each passing day.

Exactly, and I don't see how locking down States, producing another 10 million or more unemployed, and causing thousands more business to go bankrupt, and States governments themselves going bankrupt, is going to help the nation.

We could probably do almost the same thing in this shelter-in-place lockdown, if we just went out and did our business in public, as long as we observe mitigation practices. Sheltering in-house is nothing but a mitigation practice. It does nothing to cure the virus it does nothing to end virus it does nothing but prolong the effects of the virus

FALSE! lockdowns deprive the virus of its resources or oxygen. The virus is like a fire, it needs oxygen to keep burning. In this case oxygen is people. So when you isolate healthy people from those that have the virus, the virus dies. The virus needs human hosts to survive. Deprive it of human hosts, it dies.

The damage to the economy is minimal given that 37% of the labor force can work from home and another 25% are involved in essential services. The economy will take a hit, but it can be rebuilt. Even Hiroshima that was nuked on August 6, 1945 was fully rebuilt and had a larger population by 1958. If Hiroshima can recover from being nuked, the United States can recover from 30 million people being jobless for a few years.

Tell that to those 30 million people. The last time we had that many out of work was the Great Depression.

They have a new job now. Being paid to stay home by the government. Consider it part of the war effort against coronavirus. This is a pandemic, you can't have normal life during a pandemic. Society switches to survival mode. Once the pandemic is over, you can return to business as usual.

You really don’t understand economics do you? You think just like that, all those people will suddenly go back to work? A lot of those places those people worked shut down permanently.

Let me put it to you bluntly, every city in Japan was firebombed by the United States in World War II, and two cities were NUKED, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But by 1960, Japan had rebuilt all its cities and its economy and even had larger population than it did prior to World War II. Whatever economic devastation the lockdown entails, in pales in comparison to what happened in Japan from World War II. Yet, Japan rebuilt its economy and became even stronger than it has ever been in its history from an economic perspective. The United States economy will be rebuilt when the pathogen is defeated. What can't be done, is bringing back all the people who have physically died of COVID-19.

 

[meaner gene]

3.) Economic depressions do not kill as many people as uncontrolled pandemics involving lethal pathogens. World history has proven that. The deaths you describe from economic depression are also indirect and preventable. You can always rebuild and economy. Even Germany and Japan were able to rebuild their economies after both countries were destroyed in World War II. Japan had ever one of its cities firebombed and had two of their cities NUKED. Yet, they rebuilt it all by 1960, even Hiroshima and Nagasaki which were both NUKED were rebuilt by 1958. Population in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1958 was greater than it had been July 1945 just before each city was NUKED. So the economy can be rebuilt and repaired. What you can't do, is bring someone back to life who has physically died of COVID-19.

People will die from the virus, and people will die from being couped up at home. The difference is that couped up at home, there will be domestic violence and suicides. Taking away the lockdowns before we have testing and isolation in place will lead to pandemic part 2.

 

[meaner gene]

You really don’t understand economics do you? You think just like that, all those people will suddenly go back to work? A lot of those places those people worked shut down permanently.

We're going to spent close to $1 trillion to keep those businesses viable.