Little Sympathy for California Fire Victims

[EvilCat Breath]

All homes built in California have sprinkler systems. In this kind of fire they are useless.

I am not talking about an interior sprinkler system. I am talking about a pump that sucks the water out of the pool at 1500 gallons per minute, DRENCHES the home's exterior, and returns the water to the pool via a channel system for reapplication.

To make the home even MORE fire resistant, a home could have a large tank (or two, or three) of liquid CO2 and a pipe system that runs through the home. When the fire reaches the actual home, a valve can be opened to INFLATE the home with CO2, thereby displacing oxygen. The home will not burn is there is no oxygen to feed the fire. The fire will burn past the home and leave it relatively unscathed.

In this kind of fire there is no run off back to the pool if anything there would be steam. An inflatable home might work.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

All homes built in California have sprinkler systems. In this kind of fire they are useless.

No, they do not automatically have sprinkler systems installed. That is an option, and it is not selected for "all homes" built in California

That has not been true since 2011.
Fire sprinkler systems mandatory for new home construction in California | first tuesday Journal

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

The value is in the land. Postcard views everywhere. The polar opposite of Kensucky

Kentucky is actually a beautiful state, a tremendous place.

I'd rather be in the Blue Grass state with guys like Colonel Sanders than in California, no doubt about it.

u and few others

I grew up in Southern California and you can count me as one who would much rather reside in the Bluegrass State.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

No...because I have fire insurance...if those assholes were all smart...they would too.

AND they would have taken precautions to minimize the fire risk.

Paint the home with fireproof paint, for example.

Use artificial facia instead of wood around the roof, or wrap the facia in steel, mobile home style.

Use something other than VINYL windows where extreme heat will melt them out of a window frame in an instant.

Set up actual sprayers (not "sprinklers") around the home's exterior and across the roof, and plumb them to the pool water with a reliable gas operated pump. In fact, TWO pumps working together in case one of them fails. Water that falls to the ground would be channeled back to the pool.

Cut back the flora and fauna away from the home's exterior walls.

Get into the HABIT of placing empty totes near valuables that are easily removed for quick egress in a fire. Put packing foam or ??? into the totes for breakables.

Don't sit at home watching the fire on CNN ten miles away and stroll out to flip the burgers on the grill. Get your ass moving and prepare for evacuation. Fast moving brush fires are NOT "Breaking News!" in southern CommieFornia.

HAVE A PLAN to move your RV, boat, extra car(s) motorcycles, desert toys, etc. ahead of the fire, and have a place to put them, arranged in advance. Get distant neighbors with tow hitches on cars to get involved.

These homes MAY still burn, but I damn sure know that much of the destruction and dollar loss is the result of liberal-think "It's not my job ... it is someone else's responsibility ..."

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

No...because I have fire insurance...if those assholes were all smart...they would too.

AND they would have taken precautions to minimize the fire risk.

Paint the home with fireproof paint, for example.

Use artificial facia instead of wood around the roof, or wrap the facia in steel, mobile home style.

Use something other than VINYL windows where extreme heat will melt them out of a window frame in an instant.

Set up actual sprayers (not "sprinklers") around the home's exterior and across the roof, and plumb them to the pool water with a reliable gas operated pump. In fact, TWO pumps working together in case one of them fails. Water that falls to the ground would be channeled back to the pool.

Cut back the flora and fauna away from the home's exterior walls.

Get into the HABIT of placing empty totes near valuables that are easily removed for quick egress in a fire. Put packing foam or ??? into the totes for breakables.

Don't sit at home watching the fire on CNN ten miles away and stroll out to flip the burgers on the grill. Get your ass moving and prepare for evacuation. Fast moving brush fires are NOT "Breaking News!" in southern CommieFornia.

HAVE A PLAN to move your RV, boat, extra car(s) motorcycles, desert toys, etc. ahead of the fire, and have a place to put them, arranged in advance. Get distant neighbors with tow hitches on cars to get involved.

These homes MAY still burn, but I damn sure know that much of the destruction and dollar loss is the result of liberal-think "It's not my job ... it is someone else's responsibility ..."

No No No! Logic and responsibility do not apply. WE must adopt a more Socialist mindset where we ALL accept responsibility for everyone else's actions. This is the new America. As our country is populated by more and more low trust cultures this is how it has to be.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

That has not been true since 2011.
Fire sprinkler systems mandatory for new home construction in California | first tuesday Journal

Wow! Okay, I concede. I moved out of CommieFornia in 2011.

 

[Crepitus]

I'm sorry, but if I was ever going to build a ($x??) million dollar home in the hills of California, I THINK I would spend another ten or twenty thousand or so on preventative measures against brush fires.

These fires are an annual event, and not at all surprising. What IS surprising, is how little the homeowners have done to prevent their homes from burning to the ground.

I see these lots along the sculpted streets of SoCal, and all of the homes are burned to the ground. In the back yards of these homes are reflection pools, HUGE swimming pools full of water, that reain after the fires burn out. They build the expensive homes, and the beautiful reflection pools, but they NEVER think ahead, to plumb in a sprinkler system that can DRENCH the home with pool water at the moment the fire wall approaches and burns past the house.

It boggles my mind, to think that any architect would design a home with a 50,000 gallon pool in the yard, and NOT have some way to use that water to fight a fire. We are only talking about a $500.00 Honda gas powered water pump and some steel piping, after all.

Does this make ANY sense?

That's actually a pretty good idea, I wonder why no one has done it?

 

[2aguy]

I'm sorry, but if I was ever going to build a ($x??) million dollar home in the hills of California, I THINK I would spend another ten or twenty thousand or so on preventative measures against brush fires.

These fires are an annual event, and not at all surprising. What IS surprising, is how little the homeowners have done to prevent their homes from burning to the ground.

I see these lots along the sculpted streets of SoCal, and all of the homes are burned to the ground. In the back yards of these homes are reflection pools, HUGE swimming pools full of water, that reain after the fires burn out. They build the expensive homes, and the beautiful reflection pools, but they NEVER think ahead, to plumb in a sprinkler system that can DRENCH the home with pool water at the moment the fire wall approaches and burns past the house.

It boggles my mind, to think that any architect would design a home with a 50,000 gallon pool in the yard, and NOT have some way to use that water to fight a fire. We are only talking about a $500.00 Honda gas powered water pump and some steel piping, after all.

Does this make ANY sense?

They also likely voted for the democrat party, the party that won't allow clearing the dead wood and brush that caused the fire.......the democrat party is the wrong party if you love your home....

 

[eagle1462010]

All homes built in California have sprinkler systems. In this kind of fire they are useless.

I am not talking about an interior sprinkler system. I am talking about a pump that sucks the water out of the pool at 1500 gallons per minute, DRENCHES the home's exterior, and returns the water to the pool via a channel system for reapplication.

To make the home even MORE fire resistant, a home could have a large tank (or two, or three) of liquid CO2 and a pipe system that runs through the home. When the fire reaches the actual home, a valve can be opened to INFLATE the home with CO2, thereby displacing oxygen. The home will not burn is there is no oxygen to feed the fire. The fire will burn past the home and leave it relatively unscathed.

Enjoy your barbaqued ass...........Mr. Dumbass........

Where did you come up with the BS..........movies..............You haven't ever faced the beast........

Good Luck and make sure your life insurance premiums are up to date.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Why couldn't we design CO2 BOMBS that will set off clouds of CO2 in the event of a fire, which would of course displace oxygen, which would make the fire more difficult to develop?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is how it's done
Man's Concrete Home Survives Raging Wildfire

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Where did you come up with the BS..........movies..............You haven't ever faced the beast........

Good Luck and make sure your life insurance premiums are up to date.

BS? So ... a home filled with CO2 will still burn even though there is no oxygen to fuel the fire?

Oh, and I have "faced the beast" in the San Diego fire of 2004 ??? 286,000 acres, and I was smack in the middle of it in Valley Center. Don't make silly assumptions about the life experiences of others.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

This is how it's done
Man's Concrete Home Survives Raging Wildfire

Link does not work.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Where did you come up with the BS..........movies..............You haven't ever faced the beast........

Good Luck and make sure your life insurance premiums are up to date.

CO2 displaces oxygen. It is a heavier gas. What do you think CO2 fire extinguishers do? They blast a cloud of CO2 at a fire to displace the oxygen, so the fire suffocates.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It is clear that the OP has no idea about fire fighting. We all took fire training in the Navy.......and that Macho man I'd have used a 200 buck pump to stop it is laughable.

With Tropical Force Winds driving an inferno............you'd be burned alive in seconds with that stupid 200 buck pump.

The policies of California over the decades have contributed greatly to this problem. As have the Federal Policies of the Roadless Acts passed by the Greens in Congress. The thinning of forests are now a higher priority in California as they are finally realizing that forest thinning, controlled burns, and building fire breaks are essential to minimizing fires.

In regards to PG & E............the requirements for right of way are ONLY 4 FOOT in California.......In 60 to 70 mph winds this is USELESS.............They are now proposing a 30 foot Right of Way to clear trees and limbs from hitting the lines in Santa Anna Winds. But low and behold they are being fought in court over it yet again. As an electrician..............NO GRID can NOT BE DAMAGED with limbs hitting it constantly in high winds.

Forest Management ...............and thinning is necessary...........the neglect of this for decades is exactly why we are having infernos today. Learn or burn California. And vote out the Greens who are fighting the fire prevention measures to protect the State.

Thinning these forests would take a lot of manpower. Who has money to employ a hundred thousand brush thinners at the very least? Ridiculous.

only around the cities and towns out there.....it was purposed in the mid 80's but was stopped by you know who.......

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

I imagine a bubble generator. It would be located in the garage, or the attic, or some area of the basement or wherever. When a fire comes, you fire up the bubble generator!

A source of soft water is mixed with a biodegradable soapy solution like Mr. Bubble to a ratio that creates the maximum amount of bubbles. A large tank of CO2 is blown through small jets submerged in the soapy solution, and a thick foam of CO2 filled bubbles erupts through outlets at the top of the home, and basically BURIES the home in a thick layer of soapy bubbles, making the home look like a big white dome of foam. Hot embers would not have a chance! Flames could not touch the home!

The bubble machine could continue to generate the thick foamy bubbles and repeatedly coat the house for an hour or longer, if necessary. As the bubbles pop, CO2 is released, thus aiding in smothering the fire.

When the fire has burned past the home, the bubble machine is turned off, and clean up is easily done later on with an ordinary garden hose and an anti-bubble solution that breaks down the Mr. Bubble into an inert biodegradable solution, in the way fabric softener breaks down soap bubbles in your laundry.

I'll bet all of the liberals are going to flock here to tell me what a STUPID idea that is, while offering NOTHING of substance as an alternative.

"KC! You are so STUPID! You can't make enough bubbles to cover an entire house!"

Otay, Buckwheat.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but is this the way that we should feel for those who live in the tornado filled areas?

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

The fires are preventable, or at least manageable, and the exposure of one's home to fire DAMAGE is certainly controllable. People have no control over tornadoes.

 

[Moonglow]

The value is in the land. Postcard views everywhere. The polar opposite of Kensucky

Ever been to Kentucky? Every state has a postcard view. And most don't have shit in their streets.

Our streets gets shit on all the time by deer, squirrels, rabbits, dogs, coyotes, armadillos, snakes, birds, opossums and anyone else that feels like taking a dump....

 

[Dick Foster]

I'm sorry, but if I was ever going to build a ($x??) million dollar home in the hills of California, I THINK I would spend another ten or twenty thousand or so on preventative measures against brush fires.

These fires are an annual event, and not at all surprising. What IS surprising, is how little the homeowners have done to prevent their homes from burning to the ground.

I see these lots along the sculpted streets of SoCal, and all of the homes are burned to the ground. In the back yards of these homes are reflection pools, HUGE swimming pools full of water, that reain after the fires burn out. They build the expensive homes, and the beautiful reflection pools, but they NEVER think ahead, to plumb in a sprinkler system that can DRENCH the home with pool water at the moment the fire wall approaches and burns past the house.

It boggles my mind, to think that any architect would design a home with a 50,000 gallon pool in the yard, and NOT have some way to use that water to fight a fire. We are only talking about a $500.00 Honda gas powered water pump and some steel piping, after all.

Does this make ANY sense?

When I moved in the very first thing I did was get my property cleared and cleaned up of undergrowth and it wasn't cheap, about 10 grand to remove some trees close to the house, masticate the under grouth, thin out and limp up what was left on all five acres. The next year I put in 5000 gallons of water storage because you can't fight a fire with a well, about 8 grand, the following year the deck out front was replaced with a non flammable concrete patio that ran about 20 grand with the landscaping and one maple removed, last year I replaced the rear deck with a steel and concrete deck for 50-60 grand, this year two large oaks close to the house were removed and more landscaping and concrete work for another 6 grand.
However I'm now looking to move the hell out of here because they can't keep the frigging power on in this shithole of a state and it's getting far to friggin expensive to live here and put up with all the crap too.

 

[candycorn]

The value is in the land. Postcard views everywhere. The polar opposite of Kensucky

Ever been to Kentucky? Every state has a postcard view. And most don't have shit in their streets.

Our streets gets shit on all the time by deer, squirrels, rabbits, dogs, coyotes, armadillos, snakes, birds, opossums and anyone else that feels like taking a dump....

Kentucky

I remember back when I lived in Cincinnati. One of the radio stations was having a contest.

First prize was a weekend in Kensucky.

Second prize was a whole week.