Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[kaz]

Yes, comrade, because all money is the people's money. If government does not take money, that's the same as giving money.

BTW, in your Marxist system, the little girl doesn't get most of the money, rich liberal lawyers riding in limousines do, she just gets whatever scraps make it through to her. Your picture didn't capture that part of the story...

 

[sealybobo]

Libertarians want government limited to those functions which only government can do. .

Libertarians will get a little attention in 2016 when we find out they get about 1% of the GOP vote and the GOP will appease the lunatics enough that they'll show up and vote for the "lesser of two evils". That's what Ron Paul does. He rallies the base. The Libertarian party is the evil yet retarded step brother of the republicans.

I personally don't find that you're not smart enough to grasp free markets, man enough to support yourself or generous enough to give your own money to charity persuasive in any way that I need to dumb down my views and join the ignorant masses that are so manipulated by liberal lawyers.

No I get free markets. You don't understand that there is no such thing as a free market. Read this then we'll talk.

Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class

I think we have established that Libertarians aren't the true moderates. They are extremists and anarchists. The middle class and poor ones mean well because it sounds good on paper but there is no truly free market. Government makes the rules. Without rules/referees what kind of game would it be between the rich and the poor/middle class? The middle class will be GONE my brother. Even if I was rich enough to benefit from Libertarian ways I wouldn't want society to work that way. You libertarians while you mean well are also very ignorant about the value of government until you need it. I can't tell you how many people I knew who were Republicans when Clinton was in office and when Bush sent all the jobs overseas, not only did they file for unemployment, they filed for extensions when they found that no it's not that easy to find a job in a wrecked economy. And guess what? None of them was willing to flip burgers. That wouldn't even make their car payments, the arrogant bastards. One of them went to another state and still couldn't find a job and had to come crawling back to work at his daddy's company. What a hypocrite and loser he is, just like the rest of you. You would vote for a Libertarian and then when you are broke and old you wouldn't have social security. You think your lousy 401K is going to be there? Your healthcare costs would eat all that up.

YOU don't understand reality. Don't tell me I don't understand free markets you brainwashed little shit. Think you would benefit from winner take all survival of the fittest every man for himself society? Go move on an island or to a red state at least. Separate but equal. You in Kenhicky and me in Michigan. Only thing is we got to get this Snyder bum out of office first. Michigan although it votes every 4 years for Democrats the stupid masses don't show up to midterms.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes, comrade, because all money is the people's money. If government does not take money, that's the same as giving money.

BTW, in your Marxist system, the little girl doesn't get most of the money, rich liberal lawyers riding in limousines do, she just gets whatever scraps make it through to her. Your picture didn't capture that part of the story...

Really? Because before the GOP broke the American economy the Big Three hired hundreds of thousands of employees and paid them all well because they were unionized. Tier 1 2 3 & 4 suppliers of the big 3 had to pay a fair wage in fear of their employees unionizing. White collar took their clients out to lots of dinners at Bennagens and Olive Garden. People bought homes, cars, boats, toys, paid taxes. The economy was good because the poor and middle class were getting their fair share of the economic pie.

In our world the poor get 20, the middle class get 40 and the rich get 40%.

n your world the poor get 10% there is no middle class and the rich get 90%. Oh, and by the way, you won't be rich in this world fool.

Who says? Our government. They should be Of By and For We the People, not the rich.

But unfortunately we need to wake up the poor and middle class voters who've been brainwashed to think the government is the problem. It is not.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class

 

[kaz]

we have established that Libertarians aren't the true moderates. They are extremists and anarchists.

You haven't established anything except that you're a Marxist who thinks that Marxism is moderate if fifty percent plus one voter votes for it and the rest of us are crushed.

You've also established that you're a liar who says that government is dominated by the rich, and you want more of it. You're a liar, you don't believe that because that would mean you want the rich to add more power.

You've also established you're a moron who can't read or process as the OP said this thread is about small government libertarianism and specifically not about anarchism.

YOU don't understand reality. Don't tell me I don't understand free markets you brainwashed little shit. Think you would benefit from winner take all survival of the fittest every man for himself society? Go move on an island or to a red state at least. Separate but equal. You in Kenhicky and me in Michigan. Only thing is we got to get this Snyder bum out of office first. Michigan although it votes every 4 years for Democrats the stupid masses don't show up to midterms.

So I'm 1% of the country and no one listens to me, but I'm the one who's "brainwashed." On the other hand, you agree with every position and every talking point of the Democratic party and the Communist manifesto. But I'm the brainwashed one. LOL.

Do you even read your own crap before you hit "submit?"

 

[sealybobo]

Libertarians want government limited to those functions which only government can do. .

Libertarians will get a little attention in 2016 when we find out they get about 1% of the GOP vote and the GOP will appease the lunatics enough that they'll show up and vote for the "lesser of two evils". That's what Ron Paul does. He rallies the base. The Libertarian party is the evil yet retarded step brother of the republicans.

I personally don't find that you're not smart enough

I'm pretty much think this is piss poor sentence structure. It has been a long time since I've taken an english class but I'm pretty sure you don't start off a sentence with

"I don't find that you're not"

Did I get you riled up or something?

And hey, I don't know what the right formula is. I don't know it should be the rich get 40% or should they get 50% but should they have 80% of the economic pie? Because that's where it's headed. So forget "what's fair". What works? What is right? That's what the founding fathers worked out. What worked and what was fair, at the time. When times are good, the rich pay less taxes but when times are bad they have to chip in more not less. The libertarian way will be the end of the middle class.

Anyway You Slice It Corporate Profits Bigger Share of Economic Pie | The Economic Populist

Corporate profits after tax just hit a record high as a percentage of GDP, while wages are at their lows as a percentage of nominal gross domestic product. Workers are clearly getting less and less of the American economic pie, while corporate profits continue to soar.

 

[kaz]

Really? Because before the GOP broke the American economy

LOL, you and the Republicans have the same economic policies. You are hand in hand responsible with them for what's happening to our economy. I always love this lie how when you and they do the same thing, they destroy us while you're saving us. By doing the same thing as they do. Maybe that's why Obama can't get the economy going again. He keeps trying to fix it with the policies that destroyed it. Ya think? Just kidding man, I know you don't...

 

[sealybobo]

we have established that Libertarians aren't the true moderates. They are extremists and anarchists.

You haven't established anything except that you're a Marxist who thinks that Marxism is moderate if fifty percent plus one voter votes for it and the rest of us are crushed.

You've also established that you're a liar who says that government is dominated by the rich, and you want more of it. You're a liar, you don't believe that because that would mean you want the rich to add more power.

You've also established you're a moron who can't read or process as the OP said this thread is about small government libertarianism and specifically not about anarchism.

YOU don't understand reality. Don't tell me I don't understand free markets you brainwashed little shit. Think you would benefit from winner take all survival of the fittest every man for himself society? Go move on an island or to a red state at least. Separate but equal. You in Kenhicky and me in Michigan. Only thing is we got to get this Snyder bum out of office first. Michigan although it votes every 4 years for Democrats the stupid masses don't show up to midterms.

So I'm 1% of the country and no one listens to me, but I'm the one who's "brainwashed." On the other hand, you agree with every position and every talking point of the Democratic party and the Communist manifesto. But I'm the brainwashed one. LOL.

Do you even read your own crap before you hit "submit?"

You're bar for Marxism is anyone who believes in the US mail or public schools.

P.S. Save the Marxist lies for the end because I stopped reading as soon as I read that. Remember the thread title fool. You're suppose to be pretending to be moderate. You are blowing it for them. Same as Ron Paul does in the debates. Sure he does good when it's the GOP primaries but Obama would make him look like a cartoon character. Oh please nominate Paul Ryan or one of those more modern loons that could just as easily be tea baggers if not libertards.

 

[kaz]

Libertarians will get a little attention in 2016 when we find out they get about 1% of the GOP vote and the GOP will appease the lunatics enough that they'll show up and vote for the "lesser of two evils". That's what Ron Paul does. He rallies the base. The Libertarian party is the evil yet retarded step brother of the republicans.

I personally don't find that you're not smart enough

I'm pretty much think this is piss poor sentence structure. It has been a long time since I've taken an english class but I'm pretty sure you don't start off a sentence with

"I don't find that you're not"

Did you ever take an English class? You can't cut away most of the sentence then say it doesn't make sense. It says I don't find your mental shortcomings persuasive. I do wish you well though on your quest to grammar check the Internet, it's a big job. And from what I'm seeing, you haven't made much progress.

Did I get you riled up or something?

No, but now that I know you want to have girl conversations and cry and hold hands and talk about our feelings, you'll be the first to know if I decide I want to do that. I wouldn't hold your breath. In the mean time, man up and focus on the discussion instead of how you feel about it.

And hey, I don't know what the right formula is. I don't know it should be the rich get 40% or should they get 50% but should they have 80% of the economic pie? Because that's where it's headed. So forget "what's fair". What works? What is right?

What is right is that government doesn't get to decide that. Following the Constitution would accomplish that.

 

[kaz]

You're bar for Marxism is anyone who believes in the US mail or public schools.

Mail has nothing to do with Marxism, public schools are one plank of the Communist manifesto, and rightly so. Government indoctrinating future generations as our government schools do is clearly in the interest of the State. But it's one plank, it's not sufficient in itself.

And, LOL, right after you go after one of my sentences that was grammatically correct, you write this one that isn't. That's just hilarious!

P.S. Save the Marxist lies for the end because I stopped reading as soon as I read that. Remember the thread title fool. You're suppose to be pretending to be moderate

Maybe if you don't want people to think you're a Marxist, you could stop repeating the positions and the rhetoric of the Communist manifesto? Just a thought?

I'm not sure what you thinking that Marxism is moderate and my thinking it's not has to do with whether I'm a moderate or not, but whatever.

 

[sealybobo]

Really? Because before the GOP broke the American economy

LOL, you and the Republicans have the same economic policies. You are hand in hand responsible with them for what's happening to our economy. I always love this lie how when you and they do the same thing, they destroy us while you're saving us. By doing the same thing as they do. Maybe that's why Obama can't get the economy going again. He keeps trying to fix it with the policies that destroyed it. Ya think? Just kidding man, I know you don't...

Do you think I like it that the entire system sucks? But the Democrats are the only hope for labor/middle class/the poor. Libertarians are backed completely by the rich same as the Koch brothers fund the tea baggers.

What we need is instead of you guys tea bagging or libertarding within the gop, come tea bag the Democrats. Run moderate libertarians who lean left.

You can't ask poor people, middle class people to vote against their own financial interests. Blacks, gays, muslims, atheists, pro choice people. But if you came to the Democratic party, you could help us take back the Democratic party so at least one party works for We the People. Good luck doing that in the GOP. They serve or they ARE the corporations/rich.

Stop voting because you are a racist or because of god gays or guns. Start voting for the middle class. Your class.

 

[sealybobo]

You're bar for Marxism is anyone who believes in the US mail or public schools.

Mail has nothing to do with Marxism, public schools are one plank of the Communist manifesto, and rightly so. Government indoctrinating future generations as our government schools do is clearly in the interest of the State. But it's one plank, it's not sufficient in itself.

And, LOL, right after you go after one of my sentences that was grammatically correct, you write this one that isn't. That's just hilarious!

P.S. Save the Marxist lies for the end because I stopped reading as soon as I read that. Remember the thread title fool. You're suppose to be pretending to be moderate

Maybe if you don't want people to think you're a Marxist, you could stop repeating the positions and the rhetoric of the Communist manifesto? Just a thought?

I'm not sure what you thinking that Marxism is moderate and my thinking it's not has to do with whether I'm a moderate or not, but whatever.

You said this" Government indoctrinating future generations as our government schools do is clearly in the interest of the State."

What do you mean by this? Do you mean educating them with science and math and sex ed? If you don't like it there are private schools and homeschooling but we as a society like public education. At least we did until 2000 when the GOP defunded it and are showing/proving to us that not only don't public schools work but neither does government.

Understand what I just said? Republicans don't just say government is bad, they prove it. Reagan brainwashed you guys to think your own government is the problem. It is, now that he implemented his policies, and the policies they got Clinton to go along with like deregulating the media or nafta, and then Bush was the nail in the coffin.

Bring jobs back home. More unions not less. Cap on ceo pay. In the past a ceo made 35 x the lowest paid worker. Today it's 350 times or last I checked.

My brother makes over $500K. I said, before the rich controlled 50% of the wealth, now it's 75%. Would you be comfortable if they had 90% and he said YES! Of course he would. He's one of them. Are you? Then wake up stupid. Your way won't work for you. Sounds good on paper but won't work.

Our way worked from the 50's until Bush pulled the plug. Remember on his way out 700,000 jobs a month were fleeing overseas? And they purposely bankrupted us in Iraq? All while giving tax breaks to the rich? Really? And they didn't see the collapse coming? Over inflated the housing market and wallstreet and no one went to jail?

What would a libertarian say to do? Leave the CEO alone. No jail. If you don't like his tactics or how much he pays his employees, just don't buy his products. Unfortunately the Koch's own everything.

 

[sealybobo]

You're bar for Marxism is anyone who believes in the US mail or public schools.

Mail has nothing to do with Marxism, public schools are one plank of the Communist manifesto, and rightly so. Government indoctrinating future generations as our government schools do is clearly in the interest of the State. But it's one plank, it's not sufficient in itself.

And, LOL, right after you go after one of my sentences that was grammatically correct, you write this one that isn't. That's just hilarious!

P.S. Save the Marxist lies for the end because I stopped reading as soon as I read that. Remember the thread title fool. You're suppose to be pretending to be moderate

Maybe if you don't want people to think you're a Marxist, you could stop repeating the positions and the rhetoric of the Communist manifesto? Just a thought?

I'm not sure what you thinking that Marxism is moderate and my thinking it's not has to do with whether I'm a moderate or not, but whatever.

Fascism more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism.

In liberal democracies the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists

fascism is usually placed on the far right

Just so you know because I hear you guys throw this word around a lot too and you don't know what you are saying.

 

[Dad2three]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Effective at what? What do you think government is for? That's the real question. For what it's worth I agree: government should be big enough to effectively perform its legitimate functions.

I think Gov't is what TJ felt it was for


"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

Conservative/Libertarians, not so much...


Grove Norquist stating "I want to make government so small, I could drown it in a bathtub."

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[rightwinger]

Where in the Constitution does it mention limited government?

 

[Dad2three]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

"Effective Government"is an oxymoron.

There is no such thing.

As long as we put conservatives in Gov't who want to destroy it from within, I agree....

 

[eagle1462010]

Where in the Constitution does it mention limited government?

 

[Dad2three]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

Social security keeps 50% of seniors out of poverty

PROGRESSIVE policies created the worlds largest middle class. Reaganomics/conservative policy is destroying it

 

[Dad2three]

No, you probably are though. I'm assuming you are a broke ass or at best middle class American so one of three things are true.

1. You are rich and so you don't care that your policies would produce a small rich class, a small merchantile class and a huge population of working poor.

2. Maybe you are in the merchant class and don't care about the masses.

3. You are one of us and a fool who doesn't realize you would die broke in this system.

And you know that you are right and the field of economics is wrong exactly? Is it the typical liberal answer that lawyers told you?

What field of economics agrees with you libertard nuts?

No one likes Libertarians nor do we want them running this country.

Let me ask you, how come the tea baggers are able to get elected all across the country but all you guys have is a cult lunatic following that gets Ron Paul less than 1% of the vote?

If you guys are right, start running for local and state government then for national government and start winning over hearts and minds.

Let me tell you something. Thom Hartmann has Libertarians on a lot and they discuss what they agree on and what they disagree on. You guys can call us socialists all you want. No one likes your political philosophy. At least not enough to win you any elections. So go fuck yourselves.

PLUS 10...

 

[Dad2three]

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson



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Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala


In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.


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