Libertarian Principals

[Oddball]

Truth sometimes you make good posts then you make crazy posts like this to undo all the good ones.

You need to educate yourself on what a libertarian is and what the philosophy is.

Dude...The crazy ones outweigh those of any notable substance by at least 10:1.

Ironically the more radical you get with Libertarians the more open minded and rational they become, many have become left wing crazies like Chomsky, or isolationists like Ron Paul though.

Chomsky is no libertarian and "isolationist" is a progressive and neocon epithet, used against people who simply don't want the American military used as the world's nanny.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Dude...The crazy ones outweigh those of any notable substance by at least 10:1.

Ironically the more radical you get with Libertarians the more open minded and rational they become, many have become left wing crazies like Chomsky, or isolationists like Ron Paul though.

Chomsky is no libertarian and "isolationist" is a progressive and neocon epithet, used against people who simply don't want the American military used as the world's nanny.

Well said, Ron Paul (who I attach to the libertarian philosophy) is far less of an isolationist than the current and recent administrations who put shackles on free market capitalism by telling them who companies can trade with and sell to and how much of a fine will have to be paid in order to deal with certain countries.

 

[Truthmatters]

I know what they want and it is fantasy

That could be true, the big government+big taxing ideals of the republican and democratic parties will likely never be undone in this country.

What the libertarians want is the country in control of the corprations.

Their ideas of a "magic market" have been devastated by hisotry it self.


The ideas will NOT create what the libertarians claim it will.

 

[editec]

WE all START OUT as libertarians.

Infants are the ultimate libertarians.

But with years of socializing most of us grow up and realize that we are members of a community and owe some due to the well being of that community that spawned us, raised us and gave us our every opportunity.

Of course most radical libertarians will tell you they are SELF MADE MEN.

Such delusionalists as those aren't worth debating.

 

[hipeter924]

Dude...The crazy ones outweigh those of any notable substance by at least 10:1.

Ironically the more radical you get with Libertarians the more open minded and rational they become, many have become left wing crazies like Chomsky, or isolationists like Ron Paul though.

Chomsky is no libertarian and "isolationist" is a progressive and neocon epithet, used against people who simply don't want the American military used as the world's nanny.

Military Isolationist, not economic isolationist was what I meant, by his own admission he doesn't want the US military involved anywhere (If you are thinking post ww1 isolationism then the US was never economic isolationist):

No constitutional or moral authority for US action in Darfur

Q: Does the US have a role to play in ending the genocide in Darfur? PAUL: The US government has no authority. There’s no constitutional authority. There’s no moral authority. There’s plenty of moral authority and responsibility for individuals to participate. But every time we get involved, no matter where, for good intentions, believe me, we’re getting involved in a civil war. Even when you send food, it ends up in the hands of the military and they use it as weapons. So it’s not well-intended. We should direct our attention only to national security and not get involved for these feel-good reasons. And this is the main reason why I think we ought to just come home from every place in the world and bring our troops home from Iraq.
BROWNBACK: I couldn’t disagree more with that last answer. We are the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, and we are ones that can stand up. We had declared years ago in Rwanda: Never again. And what is happening? It is happening again.

Ron Paul on Foreign Policy

 

[Oddball]

WE all START OUT as libertarians.

Infants are the ultimate libertarians.

But with years of socializing most of us grow up and realize that we are members of a community and owe some due to the well being of that community that spawned us, raised us and gave us our every opportunity.

Nonsense...My parents spawned and raised me.

Of course most radical libertarians will tell you they are SELF MADE MEN.

It's only the successful ones who will admit it.

 

[Truthmatters]

There ideas are proven failures.

That is all you need to know about them

 

[hipeter924]

WE all START OUT as libertarians.

Infants are the ultimate libertarians.

But with years of socializing most of us grow up and realize that we are members of a community and owe some due to the well being of that community that spawned us, raised us and gave us our every opportunity.

Of course most radical libertarians will tell you they are SELF MADE MEN.

Such delusionalists as those aren't worth debating.

As far as I am concerned you either believe people have to be controlled (democratic socialism/communism) or you believe that people should be totally free to do what they want with little or no limits to that freedom (variations of anarchy), any system in between is a half measure (which can never offer the full benefits of a truly individualist or collectivist society).

 

[Dr.Drock]

WE all START OUT as libertarians.

Infants are the ultimate libertarians.

But with years of socializing most of us grow up and realize that we are members of a community and owe some due to the well being of that community that spawned us, raised us and gave us our every opportunity.

Of course most radical libertarians will tell you they are SELF MADE MEN.

Such delusionalists as those aren't worth debating.

No one on the planet is self made.

We do owe the rest of the country the chance to earn an income that isn't raped away by government's taxing hand. A poor person should be able hard to get out of the welfare-type squallor they were born in. A rich person should have the chance to trade with any country he wants, the middle class shouldn't be destroyed by a government run by 2 parties that have been doing exactly that to them.

Sadly, people in this country actually believe welfare and social security are good things for poor people.

 

[Truthmatters]

Unfettered markets create nothing but a concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

 

[hipeter924]

Unfettered markets create nothing but a concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

So do fettered markets.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I know what they want and it is fantasy

That could be true, the big government+big taxing ideals of the republican and democratic parties will likely never be undone in this country.

What the libertarians want is the country in control of the corprations.

Their ideas of a "magic market" have been devastated by hisotry it self.


The ideas will NOT create what the libertarians claim it will.

Corporations already run government, at least the richest ones due. Libertarians want to end the connection between government and corporation that's been going on our whole lives and more.

You think all the money they use to buy off your democratic gods goes un-rewarded? Come on Truth, wake up.

 

[hipeter924]

That could be true, the big government+big taxing ideals of the republican and democratic parties will likely never be undone in this country.

What the libertarians want is the country in control of the corprations.

Their ideas of a "magic market" have been devastated by hisotry it self.


The ideas will NOT create what the libertarians claim it will.

Corporations already run government, at least the richest ones due. Libertarians want to end the connection between government and corporation that's been going on our whole lives and more.

You think all the money they use to buy off your democratic gods goes un-rewarded? Come on Truth, wake up.

Corporatism implodes like Socialism, I am prepared to wait.

 

[miller]

That could be true, the big government+big taxing ideals of the republican and democratic parties will likely never be undone in this country.

What the libertarians want is the country in control of the corprations.

Their ideas of a "magic market" have been devastated by hisotry it self.


The ideas will NOT create what the libertarians claim it will.

Corporations already run government, at least the richest ones due. Libertarians want to end the connection between government and corporation that's been going on our whole lives and more.

You think all the money they use to buy off your democratic gods goes un-rewarded? Come on Truth, wake up.

You're going in circles and splitting hairs. The money is for bribes for kickbacks in return. A Libertarian government would enforce the law against bribery.

Libertarianism is simple. Keep it that way. No one in their right mind is against liberty. If Libertarians would quit debating nonsense we would win the next election.

 

[miller]

What the libertarians want is the country in control of the corprations.

Their ideas of a "magic market" have been devastated by hisotry it self.


The ideas will NOT create what the libertarians claim it will.

Corporations already run government, at least the richest ones due. Libertarians want to end the connection between government and corporation that's been going on our whole lives and more.

You think all the money they use to buy off your democratic gods goes un-rewarded? Come on Truth, wake up.

Corporatism implodes like Socialism, I am prepared to wait.

Try reading this: Screwed Again: LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES

 

[Dr.Drock]

What the libertarians want is the country in control of the corprations.

Their ideas of a "magic market" have been devastated by hisotry it self.


The ideas will NOT create what the libertarians claim it will.

Corporations already run government, at least the richest ones due. Libertarians want to end the connection between government and corporation that's been going on our whole lives and more.

You think all the money they use to buy off your democratic gods goes un-rewarded? Come on Truth, wake up.

You're going in circles and splitting hairs. The money is for bribes for kickbacks in return. A Libertarian government would enforce the law against bribery.

Libertarianism is simple. Keep it that way. No one in their right mind is against liberty. If Libertarians would quit debating nonsense we would win the next election.

What did I say that was complex and what am I debating that's "nonsense"?

Btw if Barr is the the candidate in 2012 I won't care if "we" win, if a Ron Paul type (if one exists besides him and his son) won in 2012 I'd take it seriously.

I think i have a better chance at the lottery than having a real fiscal conservative who wants a small government in the oval office.

 

[Truthmatters]

The 20 80 rule proves you wrong

 

[Truthmatters]

This is one you cant lie your way out of

 

[Two Thumbs]

So do libertarian princapals and principles?

I don't knorwmally pock fun at typos and mespillings

but

miller is such a jackass.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The 20 80 rule proves you wrong

What's the 80-20 rule?

let me be specific

what does it mean to you. I actually know what it is, I just want to see if you have an idea