Liberals: Be Not Offended!

[PoliticalChic]

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Let me answer in your style.

This is what the government's relationship with corporations was in the days of the Founders:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

"When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making."

*************************
...as you can see, the Founders endorsed a much higher level of government control over corporations.

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Perhaps you missed the question....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Or, perhaps you are simply afraid to answer.

No prob.

The answer is 'Neither'.

Happy now?

Not really.

As the saying goes, "Truth is the way God writes his name."
I was so hoping you'd opt for that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The Founders of this nation, one based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, were Classical Liberals, that which would be called conservatives today.

They were leftists. Have you still not read any history?

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Give me an example of legislation to control thoughts.

Don't you want to thank me for giving you the examples you requested?

 

[NYcarbineer]

They were leftists. Have you still not read any history?

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Give me an example of legislation to control thoughts.

Sure.

1. Check this out:


a. "... Boston Mayor Thomas Menino vowed to block the fast food chain from opening a franchise in his city,... Boston Mayor To Chick-Fil-A President: Anti-Gay Stance Is 'Insult' To City

and

“If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult,” Menino said. " Boston Mayor Blocks Chick-fil-A Franchise from City over Homophobic Attitude | TIME.com


b. " A Chicago alderman wants to kill Chick-fil-A'splansto build a restaurant in his increasingly trendy Northwest Side ward because the fast-food chain's top executive vocally opposes gay marriage.... The alderman has the ideological support of Mayor Rahm Emanuel. "Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values," the mayor said ..." Chicago alderman wants to block Chick-fil-A from opening in his ward


c. "Edwin M. Lee, mayor of the progressive city, tweeted Thursday night: "Very disappointed #ChickFilA doesn't share San Francisco's values & strong commitment to equality for everyone."

He also added a warning to his subsequent tweet: "Closest #ChickFilAto San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer."
San Francisco is the third city to tell Chick-fil-A: Keep out





2. Chick-fil-A has never been accused of discriminating in any way against gay customers, or against any employees.

None.

De rigueur: Liberal thought-police in action!

Chick Fil A is not an example of 'thought'. It is an example of action because it has donated millions to anti-gay rights causes,

money that has as its purpose and function to materially deprive gays of equal rights.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Let me answer in your style.

This is what the government's relationship with corporations was in the days of the Founders:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

"When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making."

*************************
...as you can see, the Founders endorsed a much higher level of government control over corporations.

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Perhaps you missed the question....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Or, perhaps you are simply afraid to answer.

No prob.

The answer is 'Neither'.

Happy now?

BTW.....consider this:

"the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech."

Which of the following stands firmly behind the above description:

Communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, fascism, Progressivism?



C'mon now....a second chance to be honest.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Let me answer in your style.

This is what the government's relationship with corporations was in the days of the Founders:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

"When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making."

*************************
...as you can see, the Founders endorsed a much higher level of government control over corporations.

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Perhaps you missed the question....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Or, perhaps you are simply afraid to answer.

No prob.

The answer is 'Neither'.

Happy now?

Not really.

As the saying goes, "Truth is the way God writes his name."
I was so hoping you'd opt for that.

So you want to argue that when a false choice is offered, the answer 'neither' isn't acceptable? lol, where did you learn logic and reason.

Another point:

No the founders did not support free trade. The very first major act of Congress after the ratification of the Constitution was the Tariff Act of 1789.

Tariffs are anti- 'free trade'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Let me answer in your style.

This is what the government's relationship with corporations was in the days of the Founders:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

"When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making."

*************************
...as you can see, the Founders endorsed a much higher level of government control over corporations.

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Perhaps you missed the question....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Or, perhaps you are simply afraid to answer.

No prob.

The answer is 'Neither'.

Happy now?

BTW.....consider this:

"the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech."

Which of the following stands firmly behind the above description:

Communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, fascism, Progressivism?



C'mon now....a second chance to be honest.

Who doesn't support the regulation of industry?

 

[NYcarbineer]

They were leftists. Have you still not read any history?

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Give me an example of legislation to control thoughts.

Don't you want to thank me for giving you the examples you requested?

I showed you that your examples were not about 'thoughts'. Thoughts accompanied by actions are actions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Give me an example of legislation to control thoughts.

Sure.

1. Check this out:


a. "... Boston Mayor Thomas Menino vowed to block the fast food chain from opening a franchise in his city,... Boston Mayor To Chick-Fil-A President: Anti-Gay Stance Is 'Insult' To City

and

“If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult,” Menino said. " Boston Mayor Blocks Chick-fil-A Franchise from City over Homophobic Attitude | TIME.com


b. " A Chicago alderman wants to kill Chick-fil-A'splansto build a restaurant in his increasingly trendy Northwest Side ward because the fast-food chain's top executive vocally opposes gay marriage.... The alderman has the ideological support of Mayor Rahm Emanuel. "Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values," the mayor said ..." Chicago alderman wants to block Chick-fil-A from opening in his ward


c. "Edwin M. Lee, mayor of the progressive city, tweeted Thursday night: "Very disappointed #ChickFilA doesn't share San Francisco's values & strong commitment to equality for everyone."

He also added a warning to his subsequent tweet: "Closest #ChickFilAto San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer."
San Francisco is the third city to tell Chick-fil-A: Keep out





2. Chick-fil-A has never been accused of discriminating in any way against gay customers, or against any employees.

None.

De rigueur: Liberal thought-police in action!

Chick Fil A is not an example of 'thought'. It is an example of action because it has donated millions to anti-gay rights causes,

money that has as its purpose and function to materially deprive gays of equal rights.

"Chick Fil A is not an example of 'thought'."

I love how I make you post inane and false posts.


The Chick fil A siege is based on their 'thinking,' their 'beliefs,' and 'views.'



"In July 2012, Cathy made headlines when he said "guilty as charged" in response to a question about whether the company was in"support of the traditional family.".... his views on same-sex marriage have not changed."
Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy Speaks Out On Gay Marriage Controversy



Now, wipe that egg off your face.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They were leftists. Have you still not read any history?

So....which 'Leftists' base their beliefs on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


That was sooooo easy.

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Give me an example of legislation to control thoughts.

Don't you want to thank me for giving you the examples you requested?

Chick-fil-A’s Foundations Dramatically Reduce Anti-LGBT Giving (Updated)


Chick-fil-A’s Foundations Dramatically Reduce Anti-LGBT Giving (Updated)

 

[NYcarbineer]

The founders didn't do that. The tried limited government under the Articles of Confederation and found it to be a failure.

They replaced the Articles with the Constitution, whose greatest distinction from the AoC is how much more power is delegated to the federal government.

Can you provide two honest posts in a row?

Let's test you....

Which represents the Founders:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Give me an example of legislation to control thoughts.

Sure.

1. Check this out:


a. "... Boston Mayor Thomas Menino vowed to block the fast food chain from opening a franchise in his city,... Boston Mayor To Chick-Fil-A President: Anti-Gay Stance Is 'Insult' To City

and

“If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult,” Menino said. " Boston Mayor Blocks Chick-fil-A Franchise from City over Homophobic Attitude | TIME.com


b. " A Chicago alderman wants to kill Chick-fil-A'splansto build a restaurant in his increasingly trendy Northwest Side ward because the fast-food chain's top executive vocally opposes gay marriage.... The alderman has the ideological support of Mayor Rahm Emanuel. "Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values," the mayor said ..." Chicago alderman wants to block Chick-fil-A from opening in his ward


c. "Edwin M. Lee, mayor of the progressive city, tweeted Thursday night: "Very disappointed #ChickFilA doesn't share San Francisco's values & strong commitment to equality for everyone."

He also added a warning to his subsequent tweet: "Closest #ChickFilAto San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer."
San Francisco is the third city to tell Chick-fil-A: Keep out





2. Chick-fil-A has never been accused of discriminating in any way against gay customers, or against any employees.

None.

De rigueur: Liberal thought-police in action!

Chick Fil A is not an example of 'thought'. It is an example of action because it has donated millions to anti-gay rights causes,

money that has as its purpose and function to materially deprive gays of equal rights.

"Chick Fil A is not an example of 'thought'."

I love how I make you post inane and false posts.


The Chick fil A siege is based on their 'thinking,' their 'beliefs,' and 'views.'



"In July 2012, Cathy made headlines when he said "guilty as charged" in response to a question about whether the company was in"support of the traditional family.".... his views on same-sex marriage have not changed."
Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy Speaks Out On Gay Marriage Controversy



Now, wipe that egg off your face.

You're denying that they have given material support to anti-gay rights groups?

Let's hear that denial.