Liberalism: Making the French Revolution Its Own.

[PoliticalChic]

Find any facts that I've posted, in any form, that aren't true.


Waiting.

Well, if you insist...

Those who advanced the French Revolution were savages, and the result was savagery.

And the same is true of the copies established by the Bolsheviks, Nazis, fascists...and, in their version, the Progressives.

"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses........​

People die in revolutions, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the revolutionaries were savages.

King Louis and his aristocratic buddies killed a lot of people too, does that mean they're savages too?

You (Ann) simply can't seperate fact from opinion

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

Well then, is the point in your thread title?

Liberals making the French Revolution their own...?

Not true. Nonsensical.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

Every totalitarian political iteration evolved from the message of the French Revolution....
Communism, Nazism, fascism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism....

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’
Goldberg


All six of the above fit that description: "...the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Find any facts that I've posted, in any form, that aren't true.


Waiting.

Well, if you insist...

Those who advanced the French Revolution were savages, and the result was savagery.

And the same is true of the copies established by the Bolsheviks, Nazis, fascists...and, in their version, the Progressives.

"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses........​

People die in revolutions, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the revolutionaries were savages.

King Louis and his aristocratic buddies killed a lot of people too, does that mean they're savages too?

You (Ann) simply can't seperate fact from opinion

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

The Catholic Church in France was viewed as the primary source of oppression in France. America had no such comparable view.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, if you insist...

Those who advanced the French Revolution were savages, and the result was savagery.

And the same is true of the copies established by the Bolsheviks, Nazis, fascists...and, in their version, the Progressives.

"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses........​

People die in revolutions, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the revolutionaries were savages.

King Louis and his aristocratic buddies killed a lot of people too, does that mean they're savages too?

You (Ann) simply can't seperate fact from opinion

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

Well then, is the point in your thread title?

Liberals making the French Revolution their own...?

Not true. Nonsensical.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

Every totalitarian political iteration evolved from the message of the French Revolution....
Communism, Nazism, fascism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism....

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’


All six of the above fit that description: "...the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life."

American Liberalism is not totalitarian. There is no meaningful movement in the US that falls appropriately under the titles of being both 'Liberal' and 'Totaliatarian'.

You are simply concocting preposterous lies.

 

[francoHFW]

As usual, the RW is FOS. The mutilations, rapes, and head soccer games are RW bs- ditto 600k killed by the revolution. Vive la France! lol
Wiki:
The assault on the Palace begun at eight o'clock in the morning. As per the King's orders, the Swiss troops had retired into the interior of the building, and the defense of the courtyard had been left entirely to the National Guard. The Marseillais rushed in, fraternized with the gunners of the National Guard, reached the vestibule, ascended the grand staircase and called on the Swiss Guard to surrender. "Surrender to the Nation!", shouted Westermann in German. "We should think ourselves dishonored!" was the reply.[20] "We are Swiss, the Swiss do not part with their arms but with their lives. We think that we do not merit such an insult. If the regiment is no longer wanted, let it be legally discharged. But we will not leave our post, nor will we let our arms be taken from us."[19]
The Swiss filled the windows of the château, and stood motionless. The two bodies confronted each other for some time, without either of them making a definitive move. A few of the assailants advanced amicably, and the Swiss threw some cartridges from the windows as a token of peace. The insurgents penetrated as far as the vestibule, where they were met by other defenders of the château. The two bodies of troops remained facing each other on the staircase for three-quarters of an hour. A barrier separated them, and there the combat began, although it is unknown which side took the initiative. [21] The Swiss, firing from above, cleaned out the vestibule and the courts, rushed down into the square and seized the cannon; the insurgents scattered out of range. The bravest, nevertheless, rallied behind the entrances of the houses on the Carrousel, threw cartridges into the courts of the small buildings and set them on fire. Then the Swiss attacked, stepped over the corpses, seized the cannon, recovered possession of the royal entrance, crossed the Place du Carrousel, and even carried off the guns drawn up there.[20] As at the Bastille, the cry of treachery went up and the attackers assumed to have been ambushed and henceforth the Swiss were the subject of violent hatred on the part of sans-culottes.[22][23]

Louis XVI order to surrender
At that moment the battalions of the Faubourg Saint-Antoine arrived, and the reinforced insurgents pushed the Swiss back into the palace. Louis, hearing from the manége the sound of firing, wrote on a scrap of paper: "The king orders the Swiss to lay down their arms at once, and to retire to their barracks." To obey this order at such a moment meant almost certain death and Swiss officers in command realized the futility of it in the midst of heavy fighting and did not immediately act upon it. However, the position of the Swiss Guard soon became untenable as their ammunition ran low and casualties mounted. The King's note was then produced and the defenders were ordered to disengage. The main body of Swiss Guards fell back through the palace and retreated through the gardens at the rear of the building, some sought sanctuary in the Parliament House: some were surrounded, carried off to the Town Hall, and put to death beneath the statue of Louis XIV. Out of the nine hundred only three hundred survived.[24]
The massacre also included the male courtiers and members of the palace staff. However, no female members of the court seem to have been killed during the massacre. According to Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Campan, the ladies-in-waiting were gathered in a room in the queen's apartment, and when they were spotted, a man prevented an attack upon them by exclaiming, in the name of Petion: "Spare the women! Don't disgrace the nation!"[25] As the queen's entire household was gathered in her apartment, this may also have included female servants. Campan also mentioned two maids outside of this room, neither of whom was killed despite a male member of the staff being murdered beside them, again prevented by the cry: "We don't kill women."[26] The ladies-in-waiting were according to Campan escorted to prison.[27]
The total losses on the king's side were perhaps eight hundred. On the side of the insurgents three hundred and seventy-six were either killed or wounded. Eighty-three of these were fédérés, and two hundred and eighty-five members of the National Guard — common citizens from every branch of the trading and working classes of Paris, whom a day's adventure had turned into heroes. Hair-dressers and harness-makers, carpenters, joiners, and house-painters, tailors, hatters, and boot-makers, locksmiths, laundry-men, and domestic servants — over sixty callings were represented. Two women combatants were among the wounded, and passive citizens, who had been thought too insignificant to have a vote, lay dead upon the ground they had won for the republic, still clasping their clumsy pikes. For this was a people's victory.[24]
Aftermath[edit]

Plaque commemorating the 10 August 1792 assault on the Tuileries, in the Catacombs of Paris where many of those killed have been buried.
The crisis of the summer of 1792 was a major turning-point of the Revolution. By overthrowing the monarchy, the popular movement had effectively issued the ultimate challenge to the whole of Europe; internally, the declaration of war and overthrow of the monarchy radicalized the Revolution. The political exclusion of "passive" citizens now called to defend the Republic was untenable. If the Revolution was to survive it would have to call on all the nation’s reserves.[28]
A second revolution had, indeed, occurred, ushering in universal suffrage and, in effect, a republic. But it did not have the warm and virtually unanimous support that the nation had offered the first. Events since 1789 had brought difference and divisions: many had followed the refractory priests; of those who remained loyal to the Revolution some criticized 10 August, while others stood by, fearing the day’s aftermath. Those who had actually participated in the insurrection or who unhesitatingly approved it were few in number, a minority resolved to crush counter-revolution by any means.[29]
10 August (French Revolution) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You could say all this was caused by other Monarchies now being IN France after several disastrous battles for the French. That, and the duplicity of the royals, brought on this new, violent, and radical phase.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Find any facts that I've posted, in any form, that aren't true.


Waiting.

Well, if you insist...

Those who advanced the French Revolution were savages, and the result was savagery.

And the same is true of the copies established by the Bolsheviks, Nazis, fascists...and, in their version, the Progressives.

"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses........​

People die in revolutions, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the revolutionaries were savages.

King Louis and his aristocratic buddies killed a lot of people too, does that mean they're savages too?

You (Ann) simply can't seperate fact from opinion

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

The Catholic Church in France was viewed as the primary source of oppression in France. America had no such comparable view.

Are you trying to prove the title of my thread?

I've done just fine, thanks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, if you insist...

Those who advanced the French Revolution were savages, and the result was savagery.

And the same is true of the copies established by the Bolsheviks, Nazis, fascists...and, in their version, the Progressives.

"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses........​

People die in revolutions, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the revolutionaries were savages.

King Louis and his aristocratic buddies killed a lot of people too, does that mean they're savages too?

You (Ann) simply can't seperate fact from opinion

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

The Catholic Church in France was viewed as the primary source of oppression in France. America had no such comparable view.

Are you trying to prove the title of my thread?

I've done just fine, thanks.

What does it prove? In your words, briefly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

a. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country. Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.
.

Coincidentally, about 600,000 died in the American Civil War.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, if you insist...

Those who advanced the French Revolution were savages, and the result was savagery.

And the same is true of the copies established by the Bolsheviks, Nazis, fascists...and, in their version, the Progressives.

"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses........​

People die in revolutions, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the revolutionaries were savages.

King Louis and his aristocratic buddies killed a lot of people too, does that mean they're savages too?

You (Ann) simply can't seperate fact from opinion

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

The Catholic Church in France was viewed as the primary source of oppression in France. America had no such comparable view.

Are you trying to prove the title of my thread?

I've done just fine, thanks.

The French people were right. The Catholic Church WAS the primary source of that oppression.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As usual, the RW is FOS. The mutilations, rapes, and head soccer games are RW bs- ditto 600k killed by the revolution. Vive la France! lol
Wiki:
The assault on the Palace begun at eight o'clock in the morning. As per the King's orders, the Swiss troops had retired into the interior of the building, and the defense of the courtyard had been left entirely to the National Guard. The Marseillais rushed in, fraternized with the gunners of the National Guard, reached the vestibule, ascended the grand staircase and called on the Swiss Guard to surrender. "Surrender to the Nation!", shouted Westermann in German. "We should think ourselves dishonored!" was the reply.[20] "We are Swiss, the Swiss do not part with their arms but with their lives. We think that we do not merit such an insult. If the regiment is no longer wanted, let it be legally discharged. But we will not leave our post, nor will we let our arms be taken from us."[19]
The Swiss filled the windows of the château, and stood motionless. The two bodies confronted each other for some time, without either of them making a definitive move. A few of the assailants advanced amicably, and the Swiss threw some cartridges from the windows as a token of peace. The insurgents penetrated as far as the vestibule, where they were met by other defenders of the château. The two bodies of troops remained facing each other on the staircase for three-quarters of an hour. A barrier separated them, and there the combat began, although it is unknown which side took the initiative. [21] The Swiss, firing from above, cleaned out the vestibule and the courts, rushed down into the square and seized the cannon; the insurgents scattered out of range. The bravest, nevertheless, rallied behind the entrances of the houses on the Carrousel, threw cartridges into the courts of the small buildings and set them on fire. Then the Swiss attacked, stepped over the corpses, seized the cannon, recovered possession of the royal entrance, crossed the Place du Carrousel, and even carried off the guns drawn up there.[20] As at the Bastille, the cry of treachery went up and the attackers assumed to have been ambushed and henceforth the Swiss were the subject of violent hatred on the part of sans-culottes.[22][23]

Louis XVI order to surrender
At that moment the battalions of the Faubourg Saint-Antoine arrived, and the reinforced insurgents pushed the Swiss back into the palace. Louis, hearing from the manége the sound of firing, wrote on a scrap of paper: "The king orders the Swiss to lay down their arms at once, and to retire to their barracks." To obey this order at such a moment meant almost certain death and Swiss officers in command realized the futility of it in the midst of heavy fighting and did not immediately act upon it. However, the position of the Swiss Guard soon became untenable as their ammunition ran low and casualties mounted. The King's note was then produced and the defenders were ordered to disengage. The main body of Swiss Guards fell back through the palace and retreated through the gardens at the rear of the building, some sought sanctuary in the Parliament House: some were surrounded, carried off to the Town Hall, and put to death beneath the statue of Louis XIV. Out of the nine hundred only three hundred survived.[24]
The massacre also included the male courtiers and members of the palace staff. However, no female members of the court seem to have been killed during the massacre. According to Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Campan, the ladies-in-waiting were gathered in a room in the queen's apartment, and when they were spotted, a man prevented an attack upon them by exclaiming, in the name of Petion: "Spare the women! Don't disgrace the nation!"[25] As the queen's entire household was gathered in her apartment, this may also have included female servants. Campan also mentioned two maids outside of this room, neither of whom was killed despite a male member of the staff being murdered beside them, again prevented by the cry: "We don't kill women."[26] The ladies-in-waiting were according to Campan escorted to prison.[27]
The total losses on the king's side were perhaps eight hundred. On the side of the insurgents three hundred and seventy-six were either killed or wounded. Eighty-three of these were fédérés, and two hundred and eighty-five members of the National Guard — common citizens from every branch of the trading and working classes of Paris, whom a day's adventure had turned into heroes. Hair-dressers and harness-makers, carpenters, joiners, and house-painters, tailors, hatters, and boot-makers, locksmiths, laundry-men, and domestic servants — over sixty callings were represented. Two women combatants were among the wounded, and passive citizens, who had been thought too insignificant to have a vote, lay dead upon the ground they had won for the republic, still clasping their clumsy pikes. For this was a people's victory.[24]
Aftermath[edit]

Plaque commemorating the 10 August 1792 assault on the Tuileries, in the Catacombs of Paris where many of those killed have been buried.
The crisis of the summer of 1792 was a major turning-point of the Revolution. By overthrowing the monarchy, the popular movement had effectively issued the ultimate challenge to the whole of Europe; internally, the declaration of war and overthrow of the monarchy radicalized the Revolution. The political exclusion of "passive" citizens now called to defend the Republic was untenable. If the Revolution was to survive it would have to call on all the nation’s reserves.[28]
A second revolution had, indeed, occurred, ushering in universal suffrage and, in effect, a republic. But it did not have the warm and virtually unanimous support that the nation had offered the first. Events since 1789 had brought difference and divisions: many had followed the refractory priests; of those who remained loyal to the Revolution some criticized 10 August, while others stood by, fearing the day’s aftermath. Those who had actually participated in the insurrection or who unhesitatingly approved it were few in number, a minority resolved to crush counter-revolution by any means.[29]

You could say all this was caused by other Monarchies now being IN France after several disastrous battles for the French. That, and the duplicity of the royals, brought on this new, violent, and radical phase.

Of course, the first lesson that you should learn from me is the factual nature of my thesis.

But the second is style.....use of a bullet-point presentation is not only easier to read, but demands the reader's attention to each and every point.

But....having seen your resistance to education, you probably won't be able to incorporate same....


Also...watch your language....it reveals you irritation at losing the argument.


Again...?

"900 Swiss guards were brutally killed, many tortured, some roasted, mutilated, decapitated, with their limbs distrubuted through out Paris. Children played ball in the streets with heads of the brave Swiss and the steps of the Tuilleries ran with blood, like some gruesome alter of human sacrifice.

People dipped bread into the blood of the victims. The massacre was only the beginning of the mass murder which already characterized the French Revolution, in September 1792, 2000 more people would be horribly killed, including Priests, religious, small children and the Queen's friend Princess De Lambella. The statue of the Lion Lucerne commemorates the fallen."
Swiss.The Massacre of the Swiss Guards - Monarchy Forum


And you said "thank you" for this?????


Pretty stupid, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

Well then, is the point in your thread title?

Liberals making the French Revolution their own...?

Not true. Nonsensical.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

Every totalitarian political iteration evolved from the message of the French Revolution....
Communism, Nazism, fascism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism....

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’


All six of the above fit that description: "...the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life."

American Liberalism is not totalitarian. There is no meaningful movement in the US that falls appropriately under the titles of being both 'Liberal' and 'Totaliatarian'.

You are simply concocting preposterous lies.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’
Goldberg



Modern Liberalism: "the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life."

 

[PoliticalChic]

So, no only are you a Liberal Plagiarist, and a windbag....critiquing Coulter but never having read any of her scholarly and well researched tomes...

...but you have gone on to show that you don't understand the words "fact" or "savagery."

Savagery:
"Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses.
“Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads."


I do sooooo enjoy revealing the depth of ignornance in our Liberal colleagues.

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

The Catholic Church in France was viewed as the primary source of oppression in France. America had no such comparable view.

Are you trying to prove the title of my thread?

I've done just fine, thanks.

The French people were right. The Catholic Church WAS the primary source of that oppression.

"The French people were right."

" Bolsheviks claimed descent: “Historians of the French Revolution, which the Russians saw as a model for their own…” Bolshevik Festivals, 1917–1920


So......the Bolsheviks were 'right,' too?


There is no slaughter, genocide, or governmental oppression to which you Liberals will not agree.

 

[NYcarbineer]

As usual, the RW is FOS. The mutilations, rapes, and head soccer games are RW bs- ditto 600k killed by the revolution. Vive la France! lol
Wiki:
The assault on the Palace begun at eight o'clock in the morning. As per the King's orders, the Swiss troops had retired into the interior of the building, and the defense of the courtyard had been left entirely to the National Guard. The Marseillais rushed in, fraternized with the gunners of the National Guard, reached the vestibule, ascended the grand staircase and called on the Swiss Guard to surrender. "Surrender to the Nation!", shouted Westermann in German. "We should think ourselves dishonored!" was the reply.[20] "We are Swiss, the Swiss do not part with their arms but with their lives. We think that we do not merit such an insult. If the regiment is no longer wanted, let it be legally discharged. But we will not leave our post, nor will we let our arms be taken from us."[19]
The Swiss filled the windows of the château, and stood motionless. The two bodies confronted each other for some time, without either of them making a definitive move. A few of the assailants advanced amicably, and the Swiss threw some cartridges from the windows as a token of peace. The insurgents penetrated as far as the vestibule, where they were met by other defenders of the château. The two bodies of troops remained facing each other on the staircase for three-quarters of an hour. A barrier separated them, and there the combat began, although it is unknown which side took the initiative. [21] The Swiss, firing from above, cleaned out the vestibule and the courts, rushed down into the square and seized the cannon; the insurgents scattered out of range. The bravest, nevertheless, rallied behind the entrances of the houses on the Carrousel, threw cartridges into the courts of the small buildings and set them on fire. Then the Swiss attacked, stepped over the corpses, seized the cannon, recovered possession of the royal entrance, crossed the Place du Carrousel, and even carried off the guns drawn up there.[20] As at the Bastille, the cry of treachery went up and the attackers assumed to have been ambushed and henceforth the Swiss were the subject of violent hatred on the part of sans-culottes.[22][23]

Louis XVI order to surrender
At that moment the battalions of the Faubourg Saint-Antoine arrived, and the reinforced insurgents pushed the Swiss back into the palace. Louis, hearing from the manége the sound of firing, wrote on a scrap of paper: "The king orders the Swiss to lay down their arms at once, and to retire to their barracks." To obey this order at such a moment meant almost certain death and Swiss officers in command realized the futility of it in the midst of heavy fighting and did not immediately act upon it. However, the position of the Swiss Guard soon became untenable as their ammunition ran low and casualties mounted. The King's note was then produced and the defenders were ordered to disengage. The main body of Swiss Guards fell back through the palace and retreated through the gardens at the rear of the building, some sought sanctuary in the Parliament House: some were surrounded, carried off to the Town Hall, and put to death beneath the statue of Louis XIV. Out of the nine hundred only three hundred survived.[24]
The massacre also included the male courtiers and members of the palace staff. However, no female members of the court seem to have been killed during the massacre. According to Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Campan, the ladies-in-waiting were gathered in a room in the queen's apartment, and when they were spotted, a man prevented an attack upon them by exclaiming, in the name of Petion: "Spare the women! Don't disgrace the nation!"[25] As the queen's entire household was gathered in her apartment, this may also have included female servants. Campan also mentioned two maids outside of this room, neither of whom was killed despite a male member of the staff being murdered beside them, again prevented by the cry: "We don't kill women."[26] The ladies-in-waiting were according to Campan escorted to prison.[27]
The total losses on the king's side were perhaps eight hundred. On the side of the insurgents three hundred and seventy-six were either killed or wounded. Eighty-three of these were fédérés, and two hundred and eighty-five members of the National Guard — common citizens from every branch of the trading and working classes of Paris, whom a day's adventure had turned into heroes. Hair-dressers and harness-makers, carpenters, joiners, and house-painters, tailors, hatters, and boot-makers, locksmiths, laundry-men, and domestic servants — over sixty callings were represented. Two women combatants were among the wounded, and passive citizens, who had been thought too insignificant to have a vote, lay dead upon the ground they had won for the republic, still clasping their clumsy pikes. For this was a people's victory.[24]
Aftermath[edit]

Plaque commemorating the 10 August 1792 assault on the Tuileries, in the Catacombs of Paris where many of those killed have been buried.
The crisis of the summer of 1792 was a major turning-point of the Revolution. By overthrowing the monarchy, the popular movement had effectively issued the ultimate challenge to the whole of Europe; internally, the declaration of war and overthrow of the monarchy radicalized the Revolution. The political exclusion of "passive" citizens now called to defend the Republic was untenable. If the Revolution was to survive it would have to call on all the nation’s reserves.[28]
A second revolution had, indeed, occurred, ushering in universal suffrage and, in effect, a republic. But it did not have the warm and virtually unanimous support that the nation had offered the first. Events since 1789 had brought difference and divisions: many had followed the refractory priests; of those who remained loyal to the Revolution some criticized 10 August, while others stood by, fearing the day’s aftermath. Those who had actually participated in the insurrection or who unhesitatingly approved it were few in number, a minority resolved to crush counter-revolution by any means.[29]

You could say all this was caused by other Monarchies now being IN France after several disastrous battles for the French. That, and the duplicity of the royals, brought on this new, violent, and radical phase.

Of course, the first lesson that you should learn from me is the factual nature of my thesis.

But the second is style.....use of a bullet-point presentation is not only easier to read, but demands the reader's attention to each and every point.

But....having seen your resistance to education, you probably won't be able to incorporate same....


Also...watch your language....it reveals you irritation at losing the argument.


Again...?

"900 Swiss guards were brutally killed, many tortured, some roasted, mutilated, decapitated, with their limbs distrubuted through out Paris. Children played ball in the streets with heads of the brave Swiss and the steps of the Tuilleries ran with blood, like some gruesome alter of human sacrifice.

People dipped bread into the blood of the victims. The massacre was only the beginning of the mass murder which already characterized the French Revolution, in September 1792, 2000 more people would be horribly killed, including Priests, religious, small children and the Queen's friend Princess De Lambella. The statue of the Lion Lucerne commemorates the fallen."
Swiss.The Massacre of the Swiss Guards - Monarchy Forum


And you said "thank you" for this?????


Pretty stupid, huh?

And the Catholics in France massacred up to 30,000 Huguenots in August of 1572.

Shall we trade massacre posts and see how many profoundly stupid conclusions we can draw from them?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What is your point? That American milennials want to mutilate the Swiss?

lol, jesus

I love when you pretend (lie?) not to understand the point of a thread with which you vehemently disagree....
...it gives me another chance to drive home the point.


Like this:

"The French Revolution was viewed as anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular. Joseph de Maistre, resident in Lausanne, declared in 1797, "There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or are likely to see in the future." "A Laboratory of Liberty: The Transformation of Political Culture in Republican Switzerland, 1750-1848 (Studies in Central European Histories)" By Marc Lerner, p. 83-84
From " Joseph de Maistre: Considerations on France (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)"
byJoseph de Maistre and Richard A. Lebrun

Well then, is the point in your thread title?

Liberals making the French Revolution their own...?

Not true. Nonsensical.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

Every totalitarian political iteration evolved from the message of the French Revolution....
Communism, Nazism, fascism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism....

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’


All six of the above fit that description: "...the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life."

American Liberalism is not totalitarian. There is no meaningful movement in the US that falls appropriately under the titles of being both 'Liberal' and 'Totaliatarian'.

You are simply concocting preposterous lies.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’
Goldberg



Modern Liberalism: "the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life."

There is no liberal movement of any consequence in America that wants to control every aspect of your life.

The closest thing to a real life anecdotal example of totalitarian thinking was the recent Huckabee claim that every individual in America should be able to use 'Christian beliefs' to effectively exercise a totaliarian veto on any US law they don't care for.

 

[francoHFW]

As usual, the RW is FOS. The mutilations, rapes, and head soccer games are RW bs- ditto 600k killed by the revolution. Vive la France! lol
Wiki:
The assault on the Palace begun at eight o'clock in the morning. As per the King's orders, the Swiss troops had retired into the interior of the building, and the defense of the courtyard had been left entirely to the National Guard. The Marseillais rushed in, fraternized with the gunners of the National Guard, reached the vestibule, ascended the grand staircase and called on the Swiss Guard to surrender. "Surrender to the Nation!", shouted Westermann in German. "We should think ourselves dishonored!" was the reply.[20] "We are Swiss, the Swiss do not part with their arms but with their lives. We think that we do not merit such an insult. If the regiment is no longer wanted, let it be legally discharged. But we will not leave our post, nor will we let our arms be taken from us."[19]
The Swiss filled the windows of the château, and stood motionless. The two bodies confronted each other for some time, without either of them making a definitive move. A few of the assailants advanced amicably, and the Swiss threw some cartridges from the windows as a token of peace. The insurgents penetrated as far as the vestibule, where they were met by other defenders of the château. The two bodies of troops remained facing each other on the staircase for three-quarters of an hour. A barrier separated them, and there the combat began, although it is unknown which side took the initiative. [21] The Swiss, firing from above, cleaned out the vestibule and the courts, rushed down into the square and seized the cannon; the insurgents scattered out of range. The bravest, nevertheless, rallied behind the entrances of the houses on the Carrousel, threw cartridges into the courts of the small buildings and set them on fire. Then the Swiss attacked, stepped over the corpses, seized the cannon, recovered possession of the royal entrance, crossed the Place du Carrousel, and even carried off the guns drawn up there.[20] As at the Bastille, the cry of treachery went up and the attackers assumed to have been ambushed and henceforth the Swiss were the subject of violent hatred on the part of sans-culottes.[22][23]

Louis XVI order to surrender
At that moment the battalions of the Faubourg Saint-Antoine arrived, and the reinforced insurgents pushed the Swiss back into the palace. Louis, hearing from the manége the sound of firing, wrote on a scrap of paper: "The king orders the Swiss to lay down their arms at once, and to retire to their barracks." To obey this order at such a moment meant almost certain death and Swiss officers in command realized the futility of it in the midst of heavy fighting and did not immediately act upon it. However, the position of the Swiss Guard soon became untenable as their ammunition ran low and casualties mounted. The King's note was then produced and the defenders were ordered to disengage. The main body of Swiss Guards fell back through the palace and retreated through the gardens at the rear of the building, some sought sanctuary in the Parliament House: some were surrounded, carried off to the Town Hall, and put to death beneath the statue of Louis XIV. Out of the nine hundred only three hundred survived.[24]
The massacre also included the male courtiers and members of the palace staff. However, no female members of the court seem to have been killed during the massacre. According to Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Campan, the ladies-in-waiting were gathered in a room in the queen's apartment, and when they were spotted, a man prevented an attack upon them by exclaiming, in the name of Petion: "Spare the women! Don't disgrace the nation!"[25] As the queen's entire household was gathered in her apartment, this may also have included female servants. Campan also mentioned two maids outside of this room, neither of whom was killed despite a male member of the staff being murdered beside them, again prevented by the cry: "We don't kill women."[26] The ladies-in-waiting were according to Campan escorted to prison.[27]
The total losses on the king's side were perhaps eight hundred. On the side of the insurgents three hundred and seventy-six were either killed or wounded. Eighty-three of these were fédérés, and two hundred and eighty-five members of the National Guard — common citizens from every branch of the trading and working classes of Paris, whom a day's adventure had turned into heroes. Hair-dressers and harness-makers, carpenters, joiners, and house-painters, tailors, hatters, and boot-makers, locksmiths, laundry-men, and domestic servants — over sixty callings were represented. Two women combatants were among the wounded, and passive citizens, who had been thought too insignificant to have a vote, lay dead upon the ground they had won for the republic, still clasping their clumsy pikes. For this was a people's victory.[24]
Aftermath[edit]

Plaque commemorating the 10 August 1792 assault on the Tuileries, in the Catacombs of Paris where many of those killed have been buried.
The crisis of the summer of 1792 was a major turning-point of the Revolution. By overthrowing the monarchy, the popular movement had effectively issued the ultimate challenge to the whole of Europe; internally, the declaration of war and overthrow of the monarchy radicalized the Revolution. The political exclusion of "passive" citizens now called to defend the Republic was untenable. If the Revolution was to survive it would have to call on all the nation’s reserves.[28]
A second revolution had, indeed, occurred, ushering in universal suffrage and, in effect, a republic. But it did not have the warm and virtually unanimous support that the nation had offered the first. Events since 1789 had brought difference and divisions: many had followed the refractory priests; of those who remained loyal to the Revolution some criticized 10 August, while others stood by, fearing the day’s aftermath. Those who had actually participated in the insurrection or who unhesitatingly approved it were few in number, a minority resolved to crush counter-revolution by any means.[29]

You could say all this was caused by other Monarchies now being IN France after several disastrous battles for the French. That, and the duplicity of the royals, brought on this new, violent, and radical phase.

Of course, the first lesson that you should learn from me is the factual nature of my thesis.

But the second is style.....use of a bullet-point presentation is not only easier to read, but demands the reader's attention to each and every point.

But....having seen your resistance to education, you probably won't be able to incorporate same....


Also...watch your language....it reveals you irritation at losing the argument.


Again...?

"900 Swiss guards were brutally killed, many tortured, some roasted, mutilated, decapitated, with their limbs distrubuted through out Paris. Children played ball in the streets with heads of the brave Swiss and the steps of the Tuilleries ran with blood, like some gruesome alter of human sacrifice.

People dipped bread into the blood of the victims. The massacre was only the beginning of the mass murder which already characterized the French Revolution, in September 1792, 2000 more people would be horribly killed, including Priests, religious, small children and the Queen's friend Princess De Lambella. The statue of the Lion Lucerne commemorates the fallen."
Swiss.The Massacre of the Swiss Guards - Monarchy Forum


And you said "thank you" for this?????


Pretty stupid, huh?

Worst kind of simpleton RW propaganda, dupe. The Monarchist Forum? LOL The original French Revolution was wonderful. Your argument is based on the counter-revolution brought on by the duplicity of the King and other royals, and the invasion of France by all the other monarchies. And in the case of 10 August, the attack by the Swiss Guard.

 

[francoHFW]

And has nothing to do with Nazis or other RW fascists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As usual, the RW is FOS. The mutilations, rapes, and head soccer games are RW bs- ditto 600k killed by the revolution. Vive la France! lol
Wiki:
The assault on the Palace begun at eight o'clock in the morning. As per the King's orders, the Swiss troops had retired into the interior of the building, and the defense of the courtyard had been left entirely to the National Guard. The Marseillais rushed in, fraternized with the gunners of the National Guard, reached the vestibule, ascended the grand staircase and called on the Swiss Guard to surrender. "Surrender to the Nation!", shouted Westermann in German. "We should think ourselves dishonored!" was the reply.[20] "We are Swiss, the Swiss do not part with their arms but with their lives. We think that we do not merit such an insult. If the regiment is no longer wanted, let it be legally discharged. But we will not leave our post, nor will we let our arms be taken from us."[19]
The Swiss filled the windows of the château, and stood motionless. The two bodies confronted each other for some time, without either of them making a definitive move. A few of the assailants advanced amicably, and the Swiss threw some cartridges from the windows as a token of peace. The insurgents penetrated as far as the vestibule, where they were met by other defenders of the château. The two bodies of troops remained facing each other on the staircase for three-quarters of an hour. A barrier separated them, and there the combat began, although it is unknown which side took the initiative. [21] The Swiss, firing from above, cleaned out the vestibule and the courts, rushed down into the square and seized the cannon; the insurgents scattered out of range. The bravest, nevertheless, rallied behind the entrances of the houses on the Carrousel, threw cartridges into the courts of the small buildings and set them on fire. Then the Swiss attacked, stepped over the corpses, seized the cannon, recovered possession of the royal entrance, crossed the Place du Carrousel, and even carried off the guns drawn up there.[20] As at the Bastille, the cry of treachery went up and the attackers assumed to have been ambushed and henceforth the Swiss were the subject of violent hatred on the part of sans-culottes.[22][23]

Louis XVI order to surrender
At that moment the battalions of the Faubourg Saint-Antoine arrived, and the reinforced insurgents pushed the Swiss back into the palace. Louis, hearing from the manége the sound of firing, wrote on a scrap of paper: "The king orders the Swiss to lay down their arms at once, and to retire to their barracks." To obey this order at such a moment meant almost certain death and Swiss officers in command realized the futility of it in the midst of heavy fighting and did not immediately act upon it. However, the position of the Swiss Guard soon became untenable as their ammunition ran low and casualties mounted. The King's note was then produced and the defenders were ordered to disengage. The main body of Swiss Guards fell back through the palace and retreated through the gardens at the rear of the building, some sought sanctuary in the Parliament House: some were surrounded, carried off to the Town Hall, and put to death beneath the statue of Louis XIV. Out of the nine hundred only three hundred survived.[24]
The massacre also included the male courtiers and members of the palace staff. However, no female members of the court seem to have been killed during the massacre. According to Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Campan, the ladies-in-waiting were gathered in a room in the queen's apartment, and when they were spotted, a man prevented an attack upon them by exclaiming, in the name of Petion: "Spare the women! Don't disgrace the nation!"[25] As the queen's entire household was gathered in her apartment, this may also have included female servants. Campan also mentioned two maids outside of this room, neither of whom was killed despite a male member of the staff being murdered beside them, again prevented by the cry: "We don't kill women."[26] The ladies-in-waiting were according to Campan escorted to prison.[27]
The total losses on the king's side were perhaps eight hundred. On the side of the insurgents three hundred and seventy-six were either killed or wounded. Eighty-three of these were fédérés, and two hundred and eighty-five members of the National Guard — common citizens from every branch of the trading and working classes of Paris, whom a day's adventure had turned into heroes. Hair-dressers and harness-makers, carpenters, joiners, and house-painters, tailors, hatters, and boot-makers, locksmiths, laundry-men, and domestic servants — over sixty callings were represented. Two women combatants were among the wounded, and passive citizens, who had been thought too insignificant to have a vote, lay dead upon the ground they had won for the republic, still clasping their clumsy pikes. For this was a people's victory.[24]
Aftermath[edit]

Plaque commemorating the 10 August 1792 assault on the Tuileries, in the Catacombs of Paris where many of those killed have been buried.
The crisis of the summer of 1792 was a major turning-point of the Revolution. By overthrowing the monarchy, the popular movement had effectively issued the ultimate challenge to the whole of Europe; internally, the declaration of war and overthrow of the monarchy radicalized the Revolution. The political exclusion of "passive" citizens now called to defend the Republic was untenable. If the Revolution was to survive it would have to call on all the nation’s reserves.[28]
A second revolution had, indeed, occurred, ushering in universal suffrage and, in effect, a republic. But it did not have the warm and virtually unanimous support that the nation had offered the first. Events since 1789 had brought difference and divisions: many had followed the refractory priests; of those who remained loyal to the Revolution some criticized 10 August, while others stood by, fearing the day’s aftermath. Those who had actually participated in the insurrection or who unhesitatingly approved it were few in number, a minority resolved to crush counter-revolution by any means.[29]

You could say all this was caused by other Monarchies now being IN France after several disastrous battles for the French. That, and the duplicity of the royals, brought on this new, violent, and radical phase.

Of course, the first lesson that you should learn from me is the factual nature of my thesis.

But the second is style.....use of a bullet-point presentation is not only easier to read, but demands the reader's attention to each and every point.

But....having seen your resistance to education, you probably won't be able to incorporate same....


Also...watch your language....it reveals you irritation at losing the argument.


Again...?

"900 Swiss guards were brutally killed, many tortured, some roasted, mutilated, decapitated, with their limbs distrubuted through out Paris. Children played ball in the streets with heads of the brave Swiss and the steps of the Tuilleries ran with blood, like some gruesome alter of human sacrifice.

People dipped bread into the blood of the victims. The massacre was only the beginning of the mass murder which already characterized the French Revolution, in September 1792, 2000 more people would be horribly killed, including Priests, religious, small children and the Queen's friend Princess De Lambella. The statue of the Lion Lucerne commemorates the fallen."
Swiss.The Massacre of the Swiss Guards - Monarchy Forum


And you said "thank you" for this?????


Pretty stupid, huh?

Worst kind of simpleton RW propaganda, dupe. The Monarchist Forum? LOL The original French Revolution was wonderful. Your argument is based on the counter-revolution brought on by the duplicity of the King and other royals, and the invasion of France by all the other monarchies. And in the case of 10 August, the attack by the Swiss Guard.

You can run but you can't hide.

You support the worst kind of dictatorships in modern history and call them "wonderful."

What a dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And has nothing to do with Nazis or other RW fascists.

Wrong.

And proven wrong.

 

[francoHFW]

Wiki- French Revolution. To say it was savages, precursors of Nazis, is ignorant RW malarky, "Liberal Fascism" territory, hater dupe.

The French Revolution (French: Révolution française [ʁevɔlysjɔ̃ fʁɑ̃sɛːz]) was an influential period of social and political upheaval in France that lasted from 1789 until 1799, and was partially carried forward by Napoleon during the later expansion of the French Empire. The Revolution overthrew the monarchy, established a republic, experienced violent periods of political turmoil, and finally culminated in a dictatorship by Napoleon that rapidly brought many of its principles to Western Europe and beyond. Inspired by liberal and radical ideas, the Revolution profoundly altered the course of modern history, triggering the global decline of absolute monarchies while replacing them with republics. Through the Revolutionary Wars, it unleashed a wave of global conflicts that extended from the Caribbean to the Middle East. Historians widely regard the Revolution as one of the most important events in human history.[1][2][3]
The causes of the French Revolution are complex and are still debated among historians. Following the Seven Years' War and the American Revolutionary War, the French government was deeply in debt and attempted to restore its financial status through unpopular taxation schemes. Years of bad harvests leading up to the Revolution also inflamed popular resentment of the privileges enjoyed by the clergy and the aristocracy. Demands for change were formulated in terms of Enlightenment ideals and contributed to the convocation of the Estates-General in May 1789. The first year of the Revolution saw members of the Third Estate taking control, the assault on the Bastille in July, the passage of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in August, and a women's march on Versailles that forced the royal court back to Paris in October. A central event of the first stage, in August 1789, was the abolition of feudalism and the old rules and privileges left over from the Ancien Régime. The next few years featured political struggles between various liberal assemblies and right-wing supporters of the monarchy intent on thwarting major reforms. The Republic was proclaimed in September 1792 after the French victory at Valmy. In a momentous event that led to international condemnation, Louis XVI was executed in January 1793.
External threats closely shaped the course of the Revolution. The Revolutionary Wars beginning in 1792 ultimately featured French victories that facilitated the conquest of the Italian Peninsula, the Low Countries and most territories west of the Rhine – achievements that had eluded previous French governments for centuries. Internally, popular agitation radicalized the Revolution significantly, culminating in the rise of Maximilien Robespierre and the Jacobins. The dictatorship imposed by the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror, from 1793 until 1794, established price controls on food and other items, abolished slavery in French colonies abroad, dechristianized society through the creation of a new calendar and the expulsion of religious figures, and secured the borders of the new republic from its enemies. Large numbers of civilians were executed by revolutionary tribunals during the Terror, with estimates ranging from 16,000 to 40,000.[4] After the Thermidorian Reaction, an executive council known as the Directory assumed control of the French state in 1795. The rule of the Directory was characterized by suspended elections, debt repudiations, financial instability, persecutions against the Catholic clergy, and significant military conquests abroad.[5] Dogged by charges of corruption, the Directory collapsed in a coup led by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1799. Napoleon, who became the hero of the Revolution through his popular military campaigns, went on to establish the Consulate and later the First Empire, setting the stage for a wider array of global conflicts in the Napoleonic Wars.
The modern era has unfolded in the shadow of the French Revolution. Almost all future revolutionary movements looked back to the Revolution as their predecessor.[6] Its central phrases and cultural symbols, such as La Marseillaise and Liberté, égalité, fraternité, became the clarion call for other major upheavals in modern history, including the Russian Revolution over a century later.[7] The values and institutions of the Revolution dominate French politics to this day. French historian François Aulard comments that:
the Revolution consisted in the suppression of what was called the feudal system, in the emancipation of the individual, in greater division of landed property, the abolition of the privileges of noble birth, the establishment of equality, the simplification of life.... The French Revolution differed from other revolutions in being not merely national, for it aimed at benefiting all humanity."[8]
Globally, the Revolution accelerated the rise of republics and democracies. It became the focal point for the development of all modern political ideologies, leading to the spread of liberalism, radicalism, nationalism, socialism, feminism, and secularism, among many others. The Revolution also witnessed the birth of total war by organizing the resources of France and the lives of its citizens towards the objective of military conquest.[9] Some of its central documents, like the Declaration of the Rights of Man, expanded the arena of human rights to include women and slaves, leading to movements for abolitionism and universal suffrage in the next century.[10]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wiki- French Revolution. To say it was savages, precursors of Nazis, is ignorant RW malarky, "Liberal Fascism" territory, hater dupe.

The French Revolution (French: Révolution française [ʁevɔlysjɔ̃ fʁɑ̃sɛːz]) was an influential period of social and political upheaval in France that lasted from 1789 until 1799, and was partially carried forward by Napoleon during the later expansion of the French Empire. The Revolution overthrew the monarchy, established a republic, experienced violent periods of political turmoil, and finally culminated in a dictatorship by Napoleon that rapidly brought many of its principles to Western Europe and beyond. Inspired by liberal and radical ideas, the Revolution profoundly altered the course of modern history, triggering the global decline of absolute monarchies while replacing them with republics. Through the Revolutionary Wars, it unleashed a wave of global conflicts that extended from the Caribbean to the Middle East. Historians widely regard the Revolution as one of the most important events in human history.[1][2][3]
The causes of the French Revolution are complex and are still debated among historians. Following the Seven Years' War and the American Revolutionary War, the French government was deeply in debt and attempted to restore its financial status through unpopular taxation schemes. Years of bad harvests leading up to the Revolution also inflamed popular resentment of the privileges enjoyed by the clergy and the aristocracy. Demands for change were formulated in terms of Enlightenment ideals and contributed to the convocation of the Estates-General in May 1789. The first year of the Revolution saw members of the Third Estate taking control, the assault on the Bastille in July, the passage of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in August, and a women's march on Versailles that forced the royal court back to Paris in October. A central event of the first stage, in August 1789, was the abolition of feudalism and the old rules and privileges left over from the Ancien Régime. The next few years featured political struggles between various liberal assemblies and right-wing supporters of the monarchy intent on thwarting major reforms. The Republic was proclaimed in September 1792 after the French victory at Valmy. In a momentous event that led to international condemnation, Louis XVI was executed in January 1793.
External threats closely shaped the course of the Revolution. The Revolutionary Wars beginning in 1792 ultimately featured French victories that facilitated the conquest of the Italian Peninsula, the Low Countries and most territories west of the Rhine – achievements that had eluded previous French governments for centuries. Internally, popular agitation radicalized the Revolution significantly, culminating in the rise of Maximilien Robespierre and the Jacobins. The dictatorship imposed by the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror, from 1793 until 1794, established price controls on food and other items, abolished slavery in French colonies abroad, dechristianized society through the creation of a new calendar and the expulsion of religious figures, and secured the borders of the new republic from its enemies. Large numbers of civilians were executed by revolutionary tribunals during the Terror, with estimates ranging from 16,000 to 40,000.[4] After the Thermidorian Reaction, an executive council known as the Directory assumed control of the French state in 1795. The rule of the Directory was characterized by suspended elections, debt repudiations, financial instability, persecutions against the Catholic clergy, and significant military conquests abroad.[5] Dogged by charges of corruption, the Directory collapsed in a coup led by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1799. Napoleon, who became the hero of the Revolution through his popular military campaigns, went on to establish the Consulate and later the First Empire, setting the stage for a wider array of global conflicts in the Napoleonic Wars.
The modern era has unfolded in the shadow of the French Revolution. Almost all future revolutionary movements looked back to the Revolution as their predecessor.[6] Its central phrases and cultural symbols, such as La Marseillaise and Liberté, égalité, fraternité, became the clarion call for other major upheavals in modern history, including the Russian Revolution over a century later.[7] The values and institutions of the Revolution dominate French politics to this day. French historian François Aulard comments that:
the Revolution consisted in the suppression of what was called the feudal system, in the emancipation of the individual, in greater division of landed property, the abolition of the privileges of noble birth, the establishment of equality, the simplification of life.... The French Revolution differed from other revolutions in being not merely national, for it aimed at benefiting all humanity."[8]
Globally, the Revolution accelerated the rise of republics and democracies. It became the focal point for the development of all modern political ideologies, leading to the spread of liberalism, radicalism, nationalism, socialism, feminism, and secularism, among many others. The Revolution also witnessed the birth of total war by organizing the resources of France and the lives of its citizens towards the objective of military conquest.[9] Some of its central documents, like the Declaration of the Rights of Man, expanded the arena of human rights to include women and slaves, leading to movements for abolitionism and universal suffrage in the next century.[10]

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I'm far more educated than you are....and much smarter.

Plus...I'm never wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wiki- French Revolution. To say it was savages, precursors of Nazis, is ignorant RW malarky, "Liberal Fascism" territory, hater dupe.

The French Revolution (French: Révolution française [ʁevɔlysjɔ̃ fʁɑ̃sɛːz]) was an influential period of social and political upheaval in France that lasted from 1789 until 1799, and was partially carried forward by Napoleon during the later expansion of the French Empire. The Revolution overthrew the monarchy, established a republic, experienced violent periods of political turmoil, and finally culminated in a dictatorship by Napoleon that rapidly brought many of its principles to Western Europe and beyond. Inspired by liberal and radical ideas, the Revolution profoundly altered the course of modern history, triggering the global decline of absolute monarchies while replacing them with republics. Through the Revolutionary Wars, it unleashed a wave of global conflicts that extended from the Caribbean to the Middle East. Historians widely regard the Revolution as one of the most important events in human history.[1][2][3]
The causes of the French Revolution are complex and are still debated among historians. Following the Seven Years' War and the American Revolutionary War, the French government was deeply in debt and attempted to restore its financial status through unpopular taxation schemes. Years of bad harvests leading up to the Revolution also inflamed popular resentment of the privileges enjoyed by the clergy and the aristocracy. Demands for change were formulated in terms of Enlightenment ideals and contributed to the convocation of the Estates-General in May 1789. The first year of the Revolution saw members of the Third Estate taking control, the assault on the Bastille in July, the passage of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in August, and a women's march on Versailles that forced the royal court back to Paris in October. A central event of the first stage, in August 1789, was the abolition of feudalism and the old rules and privileges left over from the Ancien Régime. The next few years featured political struggles between various liberal assemblies and right-wing supporters of the monarchy intent on thwarting major reforms. The Republic was proclaimed in September 1792 after the French victory at Valmy. In a momentous event that led to international condemnation, Louis XVI was executed in January 1793.
External threats closely shaped the course of the Revolution. The Revolutionary Wars beginning in 1792 ultimately featured French victories that facilitated the conquest of the Italian Peninsula, the Low Countries and most territories west of the Rhine – achievements that had eluded previous French governments for centuries. Internally, popular agitation radicalized the Revolution significantly, culminating in the rise of Maximilien Robespierre and the Jacobins. The dictatorship imposed by the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror, from 1793 until 1794, established price controls on food and other items, abolished slavery in French colonies abroad, dechristianized society through the creation of a new calendar and the expulsion of religious figures, and secured the borders of the new republic from its enemies. Large numbers of civilians were executed by revolutionary tribunals during the Terror, with estimates ranging from 16,000 to 40,000.[4] After the Thermidorian Reaction, an executive council known as the Directory assumed control of the French state in 1795. The rule of the Directory was characterized by suspended elections, debt repudiations, financial instability, persecutions against the Catholic clergy, and significant military conquests abroad.[5] Dogged by charges of corruption, the Directory collapsed in a coup led by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1799. Napoleon, who became the hero of the Revolution through his popular military campaigns, went on to establish the Consulate and later the First Empire, setting the stage for a wider array of global conflicts in the Napoleonic Wars.
The modern era has unfolded in the shadow of the French Revolution. Almost all future revolutionary movements looked back to the Revolution as their predecessor.[6] Its central phrases and cultural symbols, such as La Marseillaise and Liberté, égalité, fraternité, became the clarion call for other major upheavals in modern history, including the Russian Revolution over a century later.[7] The values and institutions of the Revolution dominate French politics to this day. French historian François Aulard comments that:
the Revolution consisted in the suppression of what was called the feudal system, in the emancipation of the individual, in greater division of landed property, the abolition of the privileges of noble birth, the establishment of equality, the simplification of life.... The French Revolution differed from other revolutions in being not merely national, for it aimed at benefiting all humanity."[8]
Globally, the Revolution accelerated the rise of republics and democracies. It became the focal point for the development of all modern political ideologies, leading to the spread of liberalism, radicalism, nationalism, socialism, feminism, and secularism, among many others. The Revolution also witnessed the birth of total war by organizing the resources of France and the lives of its citizens towards the objective of military conquest.[9] Some of its central documents, like the Declaration of the Rights of Man, expanded the arena of human rights to include women and slaves, leading to movements for abolitionism and universal suffrage in the next century.[10]

"To say it was savages, precursors of Nazis, is ignorant RW malarky, "Liberal Fascism" territory, hater dupe.."

Well, as I have proven....they were savages, behaved exactly so....and gave impetus and gave the template to the Bolsheviks, the Nazis, and the Liberals/Progressives.


Just curious....are you the sort of windbag that has populated the thread, and pops up whenever Coulter's name is mentioned...

....or have you actually read Goldberg's classic best seller, "Liberal Fascism"?


The answer will go far in identifying your background....