Liberal Values vs Conservative Values: A Comparison

[kaz]

Yes, this is true. Well, except whites, whites are racists, all of them. And men, they are sexist. Oh, and racists too. And Christians suck, a bunch of racists if you ask me. Remember Christians defended slavery. Oh, don't forget the rich. Racist bastards. And capitalists, that's just racism. And Republicans, they are so bigoted, they think everyone is the same. They are all like that. And wow, they are racists.

Liberal values are that there are two types of people, those to be exploited, and those to blame their problems on.

Does it make you feel good when you project your beliefs about others on others? Just curious.
And what a fucked up set of beliefs you got there. Seek help.

What part of my posts confused you, tyke?

 

[kaz]

Liberal values are that there are two types of people, those to be exploited, and those to blame their problems on.

There are two types of people: the oppressor and the oppressed.

So tell us who is oppressing you? Which "man" is keeping you down?

He wants more money and government isn't giving him enough.

 

[TSJohnson]

The only government money I take is unemployment and grants for school. At least when I graduate I'll have a well paying job and can give back more than I was given. The right wing rednecks of Hicksville, Nowheresotta can't say that.

 

[dblack]

The only government money I take is unemployment and grants for school. At least when I graduate I'll have a well paying job and can give back more than I was given. The right wing rednecks of Hicksville, Nowheresotta can't say that.

Fuck that. If we're going to pay the "rob Peter to pay Paul" game, make sure you're Paul. I never look down on welfare recipients, or anyone who comes out ahead in the wealth redistribution "hunger games". It's the bastards making up the rules who are to blame, not those simply playing to win.

 

[The Rabbi]

The only government money I take is unemployment and grants for school. At least when I graduate I'll have a well paying job and can give back more than I was given. The right wing rednecks of Hicksville, Nowheresotta can't say that.

If you're in school you're not unemployed.
Now we get it: another self-entitled shithead whining that government doesnt give him even more.
Go fuck yourself.

 

[chikenwing]

Liberal values include things like:
Belief in the equality of all humans regardless of things like social class, race, skin color, sex, gender, orientation, religion, and family.
Ensuring that everyone has equal access to a publicly funded, high quality standard education regardless of any of the above factors.
Feminism and the belief that women are people and of equal value and intelligence to men.
Feeding the hungry.
Housing the homeless.
Ensuring universal healthcare coverage.
Paying attention to sex-based healthcare needs like female reproductive health.
Reproductive freedom being inherent and everyone having the inalienable right to choose for themselves if and when to have children.
Ensuring the welfare of the poor by means of basic universal and supplemental income.
Approaching other nations in a spirit of friendly cooperation and mutual tolerance with a diplomacy based foreign policy.

The conservative values they're often contrasted with include things like:
Belief in and support for a social hierarchy based on social class, race, skin color, sex, gender, orientation, religion, and family.
Ensuring rich kids get the best quality private education possible and lower class white kids get the scraps.
Patriarchy and the belief that women are a special class of child that you can legally have sex with.
A strong "don't feed the poor because they'll breed" mentality.
Telling the homeless to stop being irresponsible and just go buy a home already.
Reserving healthcare for rich white people, especially men.
A "one size fits all applicable" approach to that healthcare.
Male ownership of the female reproductive abilities and the banning of things like contraception and abortion services which give women choice.
Telling the poor to stop whining and get a job at McDonald's or something.
Approaching other nations and telling them to give us their shit or die.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried,is that what happened?

 

[Anathema]

While I could contest some of the points in the OP, they would be mostly on matters of semantics, and therefore unworthy of the time which I would spend on them. For the most part the OP is correct.

My question for the founder of this thread is this....... Are there any sizeable, long-term, successful societies over the last 4-5 millenia which have been based on the Liberal Values model as compared to the Conservative Values model (at least in your mind)? By which I mean, Matriarchal or Shared-Pwer societies based on egalitarian values, peace/pacifism, and a "socialist" cultureal model.

 

[JFK_USA]

Unless you need them to pay for your birth control, then it's okay to let them through the door, right? That is the very embodiment of what I said earlier, " In my observation the values of conservatives and liberals are easily offset by their hypocrisies."

Nobody wants them to pay for birth control. We just want them to stop trying to tell us we can't use it.

Horseshit. Sandra Fluke was lobbying Congress to get coverage for birth control included in Obamacare.

How dare health insurance cover products for women's health? The nerve!

 

[Listening]

Where are the Conservatives to refute the OP with reason and sound argument?

They will fly the 'troll' flag and dismiss the message out of hand.

But if it's wrong, why is it wrong?

Where is the argument to begin with ?

You fuckers always ignore the fact that it has been shown that conservatives tend to be more generous than liberals.

So was the OP a study or just some trumped up bullshit ?

 

[Listening]

The only government money I take is unemployment and grants for school. At least when I graduate I'll have a well paying job and can give back more than I was given. The right wing rednecks of Hicksville, Nowheresotta can't say that.

Fuck that. If we're going to pay the "rob Peter to pay Paul" game, make sure you're Paul. I never look down on welfare recipients, or anyone who comes out ahead in the wealth redistribution "hunger games". It's the bastards making up the rules who are to blame, not those simply playing to win.

It is just another false economy and they can't see it.

Somehow this is how it is supposed to work. And as long as they eat without working...they are O.K. with it.

 

[OKTexas]

Where are the Conservatives to refute the OP with reason and sound argument?

They will fly the 'troll' flag and dismiss the message out of hand.

But if it's wrong, why is it wrong?

Liberals are communist America-hating paedophiles. They want to destroy this nation and every good thing that humanity has ever produced.

There, that is a response of the same quality as the OP.

Tell us what you believe in. Spare us the diatribe of what you want us to believe about you.

We don't believe in keeping people being beat down, abused and down on the government plantation the way you leftist do, And it's all about keeping them in line voting your way. How fucking pathetic are you folks.

 

[Clementine]

I don't think it counts as trolling if you are, in fact, correct. I'm just stating the basic differences between the two dominant worldviews.

You are merely repeating false statements.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The only government money I take is unemployment and grants for school. At least when I graduate I'll have a well paying job and can give back more than I was given. The right wing rednecks of Hicksville, Nowheresotta can't say that.

I never took unemployment money in my life loser, I would take "in between jobs" was a taxi Cab driver for 2 months, worked as a carpenter helper for a lousy $10 an hour you got to keep working it looks good on your resume

 

[bripat9643]

Unless you need them to pay for your birth control, then it's okay to let them through the door, right? That is the very embodiment of what I said earlier, " In my observation the values of conservatives and liberals are easily offset by their hypocrisies."

Nobody wants them to pay for birth control. We just want them to stop trying to tell us we can't use it.

Horseshit. Sandra Fluke was lobbying Congress to get coverage for birth control included in Obamacare.

How dare health insurance cover products for women's health? The nerve!

So you do want Obamacare to cover birth control? Your Komrade just denied that you libturds ever wanted that.

 

[Nosmo King]

Where are the Conservatives to refute the OP with reason and sound argument?

They will fly the 'troll' flag and dismiss the message out of hand.

But if it's wrong, why is it wrong?

Where is the argument to begin with ?

You fuckers always ignore the fact that it has been shown that conservatives tend to be more generous than liberals.

So was the OP a study or just some trumped up bullshit ?

But do Conservatives believer in egalitarianism? Do Conservatives believe that the United States of America is the 'Greatest Nation on Earth' because of the way it treats all its citizens, or merely because the United States has a platinum plated armed services and can influence the rest of the world with its power? Should 'the Greatest Nation' allow its own citizens to live in poverty and privation? Or is it better for those poor, elderly and infirmed to endure poor living conditions and hunger for their own good?

 

[Listening]

Where are the Conservatives to refute the OP with reason and sound argument?

They will fly the 'troll' flag and dismiss the message out of hand.

But if it's wrong, why is it wrong?

Where is the argument to begin with ?

You fuckers always ignore the fact that it has been shown that conservatives tend to be more generous than liberals.

So was the OP a study or just some trumped up bullshit ?

But do Conservatives believer in egalitarianism? Do Conservatives believe that the United States of America is the 'Greatest Nation on Earth' because of the way it treats all its citizens, or merely because the United States has a platinum plated armed services and can influence the rest of the world with its power? Should 'the Greatest Nation' allow its own citizens to live in poverty and privation? Or is it better for those poor, elderly and infirmed to endure poor living conditions and hunger for their own good?

Reply to the first point and I'll answer your questions.

 

[Nosmo King]

Where are the Conservatives to refute the OP with reason and sound argument?

They will fly the 'troll' flag and dismiss the message out of hand.

But if it's wrong, why is it wrong?

Where is the argument to begin with ?

You fuckers always ignore the fact that it has been shown that conservatives tend to be more generous than liberals.

So was the OP a study or just some trumped up bullshit ?

But do Conservatives believer in egalitarianism? Do Conservatives believe that the United States of America is the 'Greatest Nation on Earth' because of the way it treats all its citizens, or merely because the United States has a platinum plated armed services and can influence the rest of the world with its power? Should 'the Greatest Nation' allow its own citizens to live in poverty and privation? Or is it better for those poor, elderly and infirmed to endure poor living conditions and hunger for their own good?

Reply to the first point and I'll answer your questions.

the argument is spelled out in the OP.to wit:

The conservative values they're often contrasted with include things like:
Belief in and support for a social hierarchy based on social class, race, skin color, sex, gender, orientation, religion, and family.
Ensuring rich kids get the best quality private education possible and lower class white kids get the scraps.
Patriarchy and the belief that women are a special class of child that you can legally have sex with.
A strong "don't feed the poor because they'll breed" mentality.
Telling the homeless to stop being irresponsible and just go buy a home already.
Reserving healthcare for rich white people, especially men.
A "one size fits all applicable" approach to that healthcare.
Male ownership of the female reproductive abilities and the banning of things like contraception and abortion services which give women choice.
Telling the poor to stop whining and get a job at McDonald's or something.
Approaching other nations and telling them to give us their shit or die.

 

[Listening]

Where are the Conservatives to refute the OP with reason and sound argument?

They will fly the 'troll' flag and dismiss the message out of hand.

But if it's wrong, why is it wrong?

Where is the argument to begin with ?

You fuckers always ignore the fact that it has been shown that conservatives tend to be more generous than liberals.

So was the OP a study or just some trumped up bullshit ?

But do Conservatives believer in egalitarianism? Do Conservatives believe that the United States of America is the 'Greatest Nation on Earth' because of the way it treats all its citizens, or merely because the United States has a platinum plated armed services and can influence the rest of the world with its power? Should 'the Greatest Nation' allow its own citizens to live in poverty and privation? Or is it better for those poor, elderly and infirmed to endure poor living conditions and hunger for their own good?

Reply to the first point and I'll answer your questions.

the argument is spelled out in the OP.to wit:

The conservative values they're often contrasted with include things like:
Belief in and support for a social hierarchy based on social class, race, skin color, sex, gender, orientation, religion, and family.
Ensuring rich kids get the best quality private education possible and lower class white kids get the scraps.
Patriarchy and the belief that women are a special class of child that you can legally have sex with.
A strong "don't feed the poor because they'll breed" mentality.
Telling the homeless to stop being irresponsible and just go buy a home already.
Reserving healthcare for rich white people, especially men.
A "one size fits all applicable" approach to that healthcare.
Male ownership of the female reproductive abilities and the banning of things like contraception and abortion services which give women choice.
Telling the poor to stop whining and get a job at McDonald's or something.
Approaching other nations and telling them to give us their shit or die.

I understand.

And I can make up a list that says stupid stuff like a liberals belief in:

Their ability to actually manipulate the climate
Developing stupid social programs that hurt people generations later
etc.
etc.
etc.

So you can go two routes:

1. You can decide if you are lumping all conservatives into one description.
2. You can decide if you are lumping all liberals into one description.
3. You can decide if you really have the ability to discern the motives of others.

But most importantly......

You can provide some basis for the assertions you've made.

Just because you've made them certainly does not mean you are not responsible to prove them.

 

[hazlnut]

I don't think it counts as trolling if you are, in fact, correct. I'm just stating the basic differences between the two dominant worldviews.

Most Conservative GOP voters aren't rich. Remember the GOP base, the far-right is duped into voting against their own best interests.

 

[Nosmo King]

I don't think it counts as trolling if you are, in fact, correct. I'm just stating the basic differences between the two dominant worldviews.

Most Conservative GOP voters aren't rich. Remember the GOP base, the far-right is duped into voting against their own best interests.

Fear. Fear is a powerful motivator. Fear of the other, fear of change, fear of loss.

If one lacks nuanced thought, and a bit of self confidence, fear might seem like a safe port in a storm. Fear has buttresed oppression. Therefore, fear works.

The Conservatives during Reconstruction used fear, the Conservatives used the Soviet revolution and WW I to gin up fear of the communist. With Communism gone and a social compact of equality for all (a compact in a constant state of flux), the fearful must focus that fear outwardly.

And so we see fearful citizens voting out of fear, which is, oddly enough, a very potent self intrest.