'Let's Not Shoot These Kids': Florida Police Caught In Shootout With 12yo Boy, 14yo Girl

[meaner gene]

Gun owners are amazingly responsible but when criminals break the law, break into homes, it isn't the fault of the home owner.......

This is why even the NRA agrees with guns having trigger locks, being kept in gun safes, and keeping the guns completely separate from the ammunition.

None of that was done.

 

[meaner gene]

The problem is too many guns in the hands of irresponsible people. If the kids didn't use the guns in a police standoff, they would have used them to raise cash. They would have ended up on the black market, and like a lot of guns used in crime, get into the hands of criminals from burglary.

 

[2aguy]

Gun owners are amazingly responsible but when criminals break the law, break into homes, it isn't the fault of the home owner.......

This is why even the NRA agrees with guns having trigger locks, being kept in gun safes, and keeping the guns completely separate from the ammunition.

None of that was done.

Until you need the gun....you mean except for that...right? When the guy is in your home and you don't have 10 minutes to get to the safe, punch in the code, take out the gun, find the key to the trigger lock, unlock the lock, then go to where you keep the ammo, and, I imagine you want that in a separate safe too.........then load the gun....

The guy, or guys are in your home, likely armed.....but the 30 steps you need to deploy your weapon....I am sure they will wait till you get all the steps done...

Right?

These guns were in a locked house....they broke the law.....

If we let idiots like you set up mandatory storage rules then we will have to eventually store the keys to the gun locks at a police station or gun store and get written permission to access those keys before we can unlock the guns...

Sorry, no thanks.

They broke into a home......this is on them.

 

[2aguy]

The problem is too many guns in the hands of irresponsible people. If the kids didn't use the guns in a police standoff, they would have used them to raise cash. They would have ended up on the black market, and like a lot of guns used in crime, get into the hands of criminals from burglary.

There aren't too many guns in the hands of irresponsible people...these guns were in a locked house....that is responsible.....

Idiots like you want to make criminals out of the victims here...the gun owners who had their homes broken into and their guns used illegally...they are the victim, not the kids....the kids are the victim of the government system that you want setting up the rules for gun storage.....do you know how stupid that is?

We have 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry their guns in public for self defense.....accidental gun deaths in 2019.....486....accidental car deaths... 37,595.......

Gun owners are amazingly responsible with their guns......

 

[beagle9]

I won't read any of the trump people's justifications for this.

There is none.

These poor cops are forced to shoot children.

Think about that. Stop your hate and just think about that.

Why weren't those weapons secured properly?

Oh yes this is Florida.

Where everyone can have a weapon but no one is expected to take any responsibility for those weapons and what they do.

There was no reason to secure those guns at all. The children broke into this home. There is no obligation to secure weapons so burglars don't hurt themselves.

Guns should be secured if own them. Leaving guns loose in a home that can easily be breached, and then burglarized is flat out wrong. Even I have a 10' fence, dog's, camera's, lock's, and a safe protecting my home and valuables. Did the property have a fence, dog's, lock's, camera's, and a safe protecting the guns and the home ? If you think that we are living in the 1950's, then you best wake up.

 

[beagle9]

I won't read any of the trump people's justifications for this.

There is none.

These poor cops are forced to shoot children.

Think about that. Stop your hate and just think about that.

Why weren't those weapons secured properly?

Oh yes this is Florida.

Where everyone can have a weapon but no one is expected to take any responsibility for those weapons and what they do.

I agree that the issue of the weapons not being secured is a huge one. Everyone I know has their weapons secured, and in a safe. Anything less is just being an irresponsible gun owner. It's sad that these two kid's exposed the owner of the residence not having his weapons secure. That should infuriate all responsible gun owners. Folks if we are going to protect our rights, then we have to make sure that we do so diligently and responsibly. Now I would never agree that (because of these certain situations), that any responsible gun owner should ever be affected by them. Otherwise the kids gaurdians have responsibility in this, and these specific home/gun owners have a responsibility in this, and that's where it ends. I don't ever believe in punishing good folks for the action's of wrecklace or bad folks. The end.

The guns were locked in a home.....the criminals broke into that home. This isn't on the gun owners. When criminals break the law, it is on the criminals, not the law abiding citizen.

True, but the weapons should be secured or the gun fight probably wouldn't have happened. It's just common sense really. I agree that the gun owner is not at fault, but it should be a lesson learned.

 

[2aguy]

I won't read any of the trump people's justifications for this.

There is none.

These poor cops are forced to shoot children.

Think about that. Stop your hate and just think about that.

Why weren't those weapons secured properly?

Oh yes this is Florida.

Where everyone can have a weapon but no one is expected to take any responsibility for those weapons and what they do.

I agree that the issue of the weapons not being secured is a huge one. Everyone I know has their weapons secured, and in a safe. Anything less is just being an irresponsible gun owner. It's sad that these two kid's exposed the owner of the residence not having his weapons secure. That should infuriate all responsible gun owners. Folks if we are going to protect our rights, then we have to make sure that we do so diligently and responsibly. Now I would never agree that (because of these certain situations), that any responsible gun owner should ever be affected by them. Otherwise the kids gaurdians have responsibility in this, and these specific home/gun owners have a responsibility in this, and that's where it ends. I don't ever believe in punishing good folks for the action's of wrecklace or bad folks. The end.

The guns were locked in a home.....the criminals broke into that home. This isn't on the gun owners. When criminals break the law, it is on the criminals, not the law abiding citizen.

True, but the weapons should be secured or the gun fight probably wouldn't have happened. It's just common sense really. I agree that the gun owner is not at fault, but it should be a lesson learned.

I agree.....if you have guns you should have a safe...but I won't support mandatory storage laws.....the anti-gun extremists will turn normal people into felons if they fail to close the door on their safe and the cops find out.....this has happened in Britain where a guy had the police in for an unrelated issue, he had a gun out for some reason, they stripped him of his license for ever.........not going to support that...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This is just sad. In America in 2021 we now have children shooting at police with the police hoping that they don't have to shoot back.

I understand this. I wouldn't want to shoot a child.

This is America. Weapons everywhere.

Yet we are much less safe.

'Let's not shoot these kids': Florida police caught in shootout with 12yo boy, 14yo girl

Isnt it against the law to shoot at a cop?

 

[beagle9]

Gun owners are amazingly responsible but when criminals break the law, break into homes, it isn't the fault of the home owner.......

This is why even the NRA agrees with guns having trigger locks, being kept in gun safes, and keeping the guns completely separate from the ammunition.

None of that was done.

Until you need the gun....you mean except for that...right? When the guy is in your home and you don't have 10 minutes to get to the safe, punch in the code, take out the gun, find the key to the trigger lock, unlock the lock, then go to where you keep the ammo, and, I imagine you want that in a separate safe too.........then load the gun....

The guy, or guys are in your home, likely armed.....but the 30 steps you need to deploy your weapon....I am sure they will wait till you get all the steps done...

Right?

These guns were in a locked house....they broke the law.....

If we let idiots like you set up mandatory storage rules then we will have to eventually store the keys to the gun locks at a police station or gun store and get written permission to access those keys before we can unlock the guns...

Sorry, no thanks.

They broke into a home......this is on them.

To start with, you are carrying your concealed weapon while you are away from the home, so if you return home and it's being robbed, then 1st you contact the law, and you get them on the way while you secure the perimeter. If you surprise the criminal's because you walked in on them, then hopefully you get the drop on them before they get you with your own guns left in an unsafe manor. But if you have your weapons secured, then you have the upper hand if they didn't bring the weapons with them. If you have your home secured, then you have the upper hand again, because hopefully their weaponry won't be as good as what you are carrying on your person. If they get the drop on you, then the the only hope is that the 9-11 call you might have made in the first senario (if you couldn't wait on them before going in) will have the police on the way in order to secure the location again, hopefully save you, and deal with the burglar's before they escape. The second situation is just going to be you and them if they get surprised.

 

[beagle9]

I won't read any of the trump people's justifications for this.

There is none.

These poor cops are forced to shoot children.

Think about that. Stop your hate and just think about that.

Why weren't those weapons secured properly?

Oh yes this is Florida.

Where everyone can have a weapon but no one is expected to take any responsibility for those weapons and what they do.

I agree that the issue of the weapons not being secured is a huge one. Everyone I know has their weapons secured, and in a safe. Anything less is just being an irresponsible gun owner. It's sad that these two kid's exposed the owner of the residence not having his weapons secure. That should infuriate all responsible gun owners. Folks if we are going to protect our rights, then we have to make sure that we do so diligently and responsibly. Now I would never agree that (because of these certain situations), that any responsible gun owner should ever be affected by them. Otherwise the kids gaurdians have responsibility in this, and these specific home/gun owners have a responsibility in this, and that's where it ends. I don't ever believe in punishing good folks for the action's of wrecklace or bad folks. The end.

The guns were locked in a home.....the criminals broke into that home. This isn't on the gun owners. When criminals break the law, it is on the criminals, not the law abiding citizen.

True, but the weapons should be secured or the gun fight probably wouldn't have happened. It's just common sense really. I agree that the gun owner is not at fault, but it should be a lesson learned.

I agree.....if you have guns you should have a safe...but I won't support mandatory storage laws.....the anti-gun extremists will turn normal people into felons if they fail to close the door on their safe and the cops find out.....this has happened in Britain where a guy had the police in for an unrelated issue, he had a gun out for some reason, they stripped him of his license for ever.........not going to support that...

Agree, that corrupt government intentions for nefarious reason's is a huge problem these days. Understood, but hopefully good people will do the right thing.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

These kids were raised in bad conditions......but you want to blame guns......600 million guns in private hands, over 19.4 million Americans can carry guns for self defense in public

1.1 million Americans use guns each year to save lives from rape, brutal beatings, robberies and murder...

But two kids raised in horrible situations, the girl apparently had issues and set fires and the boy was in foster care.........but you want to blame guns...

This is why we don't take you seriously.

Did you read the article? These kids weren't armed until they broke into a house that had dozens of unsecured firearms, and readily available ammunition.

If the homeowner had simply locked his firearms up, none of this could have happened.

The firearms were locked up. The home was locked. Are you suggesting there is an obligation to lock firearms away from burglars?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Gun owners are amazingly responsible but when criminals break the law, break into homes, it isn't the fault of the home owner.......

This is why even the NRA agrees with guns having trigger locks, being kept in gun safes, and keeping the guns completely separate from the ammunition.

None of that was done.

Those are safety methods so children living in the home do not have access to weapons. Not to make sure burglars can't get them,

 

[beagle9]

These kids were raised in bad conditions......but you want to blame guns......600 million guns in private hands, over 19.4 million Americans can carry guns for self defense in public

1.1 million Americans use guns each year to save lives from rape, brutal beatings, robberies and murder...

But two kids raised in horrible situations, the girl apparently had issues and set fires and the boy was in foster care.........but you want to blame guns...

This is why we don't take you seriously.

Did you read the article? These kids weren't armed until they broke into a house that had dozens of unsecured firearms, and readily available ammunition.

If the homeowner had simply locked his firearms up, none of this could have happened.

The firearms were locked up. The home was locked. Are you suggesting there is an obligation to lock firearms away from burglars?

If the premises aren't secure, I'd say definitely lock them up, and even if the premises are secure, then there's nothing wrong with extra levels of security, especially for weapons and ammo.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

These kids were raised in bad conditions......but you want to blame guns......600 million guns in private hands, over 19.4 million Americans can carry guns for self defense in public

1.1 million Americans use guns each year to save lives from rape, brutal beatings, robberies and murder...

But two kids raised in horrible situations, the girl apparently had issues and set fires and the boy was in foster care.........but you want to blame guns...

This is why we don't take you seriously.

Did you read the article? These kids weren't armed until they broke into a house that had dozens of unsecured firearms, and readily available ammunition.

If the homeowner had simply locked his firearms up, none of this could have happened.

The firearms were locked up. The home was locked. Are you suggesting there is an obligation to lock firearms away from burglars?

If the premises aren't secure, I'd say definitely lock them up, and even if the premises are secure, then there's nothing wrong with extra levels of security, especially for weapons and ammo.

A loaded gun should always be kept on the nightstand by the bed.

As soon as we start making our homes safe for those who break in we deserve to be destroyed as a people.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

This is just sad. In America in 2021 we now have children shooting at police with the police hoping that they don't have to shoot back.

I understand this. I wouldn't want to shoot a child.

This is America. Weapons everywhere.

Yet we are much less safe.

'Let's not shoot these kids': Florida police caught in shootout with 12yo boy, 14yo girl

What is the race of the two children?

Why would you ask that question? You don't know at this point? They're still alive so take a wild guess.

 

[Dadoalex]

This is just sad. In America in 2021 we now have children shooting at police with the police hoping that they don't have to shoot back.

I understand this. I wouldn't want to shoot a child.

This is America. Weapons everywhere.

Yet we are much less safe.

'Let's not shoot these kids': Florida police caught in shootout with 12yo boy, 14yo girl

This is not about guns or police or parents

I can only speak of Florida
This is about a complete failure at every level in this state when it comes to juvenile law enforcement.

Many years ago the DJJ was formed. The idea was to centralize juvenile justice at the state level as before each county ran their own programs and they varied widely.

Unfortunately, as with many seemingly good ideas, they strangled it on the vine by starving it of money.
Not enough officers
Not enough courts
Not enough judges
Not enough kiddie jails
and
Top it off with a "foster care" system that would make people yearn for Oliver Twist.

The police, sheriffs, FDLE, all of them simply quit arresting juveniles. They would literally have to commit a serious violent felony to get locked up. The LEO blamed DJJ but here's what's important:
If a kid KNOWS he will not be punished there is zero deterrent to more and more serious crime.

Burglary, auto theft, drug possession/sale, multiple counts ...not enough to get arrested.

DJJ won't take them unless they have enough points and they don't get points unless they're arrested

Can anybody else see the root cause?

Kids are going to get away with what they think they can get away with. Just being kids.

When they commit crimes arrest, hold them, turn them over to DJJ and force DJJ to do their job.
The job of LEO is not to determin guilt, innocence, or punishment. That is DJJ's job.

By refusing to deal with the crimes kids commit the state is, in essence, offering free instruction in how to be an effective criminal.

The Sheriff blaming DJJ is wrong.
THEY ARE ALL AT FAULT
and until they all start doing their jobs nothing will change.

 

[2aguy]

Gun owners are amazingly responsible but when criminals break the law, break into homes, it isn't the fault of the home owner.......

This is why even the NRA agrees with guns having trigger locks, being kept in gun safes, and keeping the guns completely separate from the ammunition.

None of that was done.

Until you need the gun....you mean except for that...right? When the guy is in your home and you don't have 10 minutes to get to the safe, punch in the code, take out the gun, find the key to the trigger lock, unlock the lock, then go to where you keep the ammo, and, I imagine you want that in a separate safe too.........then load the gun....

The guy, or guys are in your home, likely armed.....but the 30 steps you need to deploy your weapon....I am sure they will wait till you get all the steps done...

Right?

These guns were in a locked house....they broke the law.....

If we let idiots like you set up mandatory storage rules then we will have to eventually store the keys to the gun locks at a police station or gun store and get written permission to access those keys before we can unlock the guns...

Sorry, no thanks.

They broke into a home......this is on them.

To start with, you are carrying your concealed weapon while you are away from the home, so if you return home and it's being robbed, then 1st you contact the law, and you get them on the way while you secure the perimeter. If you surprise the criminal's because you walked in on them, then hopefully you get the drop on them before they get you with your own guns left in an unsafe manor. But if you have your weapons secured, then you have the upper hand if they didn't bring the weapons with them. If you have your home secured, then you have the upper hand again, because hopefully their weaponry won't be as good as what you are carrying on your person. If they get the drop on you, then the the only hope is that the 9-11 call you might have made in the first senario (if you couldn't wait on them before going in) will have the police on the way in order to secure the location again, hopefully save you, and deal with the burglar's before they escape. The second situation is just going to be you and them if they get surprised.

I agree.....

But I will never support government mandates on storing your guns in your own home....that leads to draconian rules meant to entrap normal gun owners....not going to support it.

And I had a situation where we came home and the door was open.........we left the door open accidentally as it turned out....I didn't enter, I called the police....they searched the house...I didn't "secure the perimeter," I let them do it...that is how you do it...I also informed them that I had guns in the home........

 

[Dadoalex]

This is just sad. In America in 2021 we now have children shooting at police with the police hoping that they don't have to shoot back.

I understand this. I wouldn't want to shoot a child.

This is America. Weapons everywhere.

Yet we are much less safe.

'Let's not shoot these kids': Florida police caught in shootout with 12yo boy, 14yo girl

Why won't Progressives move to any gun free country?

We are.
It's called the USA.

 

[2aguy]

This is just sad. In America in 2021 we now have children shooting at police with the police hoping that they don't have to shoot back.

I understand this. I wouldn't want to shoot a child.

This is America. Weapons everywhere.

Yet we are much less safe.

'Let's not shoot these kids': Florida police caught in shootout with 12yo boy, 14yo girl

What is the race of the two children?

Why would you ask that question? You don't know at this point? They're still alive so take a wild guess.

Because fatherless homes create crime and poverty. Today, thanks to the Great Society black families are 75% fatherless homes......and hispanic, white homes are following this trend......the teenager stabbing the other girl in Ohio was in foster care......we need to support two parent families....

 

[meaner gene]

Until you need the gun....you mean except for that...right? When the guy is in your home and you don't have 10 minutes to get to the safe, punch in the code, take out the gun, find the key to the trigger lock, unlock the lock, then go to where you keep the ammo, and, I imagine you want that in a separate safe too.........then load the gun....

That can all be done in less than 2 minutes. But that's only for the guns I don't keep personal possession of. Since I can't take them out of the house, while i'm away, they're kept locked up, where it would take a burglar hours to find them and to make them operational.

A responsible gun owners "nightmare" is to come home to a burglary in progress, where the burglar is armed with the guns he found in the house. Shot with one's own gun.