Lets just say...

[sagegirl]

Let's just say they have had about 50 years where they could have made things better. Who, you say? Yeah, who. We have had the greatest minds, people of integrity, honesty, compassion and good will, promising us results and here we are.
You would think that they could have come up with a education system that worked. You would think they could have provided an enviornment that encouraged good wages and low unemployment rates. What's with the cost of health care and health care insurance ????
It is not my opinion or my desire to have the powers that be assume the responsibility to "take care of me". My complaint is that we have been told time and time again how our interests are their utmost concern. However we all know that big business and powerful lobbys have more influence than any individual.
The great wealth and productivity of the american work force has been squandered away, we have paid a great price and have little to show for it. The attitude that big business must prosper at all cost and that the vast profits will "trickle down" to the lower guy has proven to be a fantasy.....how can anybody be worth say 10 million a year and someone he employs be paid say 30 grand....way way out of proportion. It's where we are. There is nothing trickling down, there are lay offs and outsourcing.
And we are in debt. Big time. Personal debt is high, the federal budget runs a deficit and the national debt is nothing but irresponsible. What a mess. Watch where you step.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Let's just say they have had about 50 years where they could have made things better. Who, you say? Yeah, who. We have had the greatest minds, people of integrity, honesty, compassion and good will, promising us results and here we are.
You would think that they could have come up with a education system that worked. You would think they could have provided an enviornment that encouraged good wages and low unemployment rates. What's with the cost of health care and health care insurance ????
It is not my opinion or my desire to have the powers that be assume the responsibility to "take care of me". My complaint is that we have been told time and time again how our interests are their utmost concern. However we all know that big business and powerful lobbys have more influence than any individual.
The great wealth and productivity of the american work force has been squandered away, we have paid a great price and have little to show for it. The attitude that big business must prosper at all cost and that the vast profits will "trickle down" to the lower guy has proven to be a fantasy.....how can anybody be worth say 10 million a year and someone he employs be paid say 30 grand....way way out of proportion. It's where we are. There is nothing trickling down, there are lay offs and outsourcing.
And we are in debt. Big time. Personal debt is high, the federal budget runs a deficit and the national debt is nothing but irresponsible. What a mess. Watch where you step.

Would you prefer Socialism?

 

[sagegirl]

Would you prefer Socialism?

I dont think Im a socialist, I just believe in fairness and we all know that some guy at the top is doing very little work and getting big bucks.

 

[MtnBiker]

we all know that some guy at the top is doing very little work and getting big bucks.

How do you know that?

 

[Annie]

I dont think Im a socialist, I just believe in fairness and we all know that some guy at the top is doing very little work and getting big bucks.

How do you know that the 'guy at the top is doing very little work?' What do you mean by that anyways?

 

[Abbey Normal]

I dont think Im a socialist, I just believe in fairness and we all know that some guy at the top is doing very little work and getting big bucks.

Sage, I happen to think it is fair to pay people for their talents in accordance with supply and demand. Despite some exceptions, it is usually true that the $30,000 per annum guy has a skill that is easy to acquire, and is shared by many. The corollary is also true. Again despite some exceptions, highly paid employees usually learned or possess skills that are not common and are highly valued.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Would you prefer Socialism?

You always think in extremes; black or white. But it is possible to have a system that employs social programs while simultaneously employing a capitalist system. This isn't the wild west. Me and many others like me think that society should pitch in together for some things. Education being the major one. Healthcare being the second. Neither of these things should be reserved for only those who can afford them.

 

[MtnBiker]

Education being the major one.

Do you mean college?

 

[Abbey Normal]

You always think in extremes; black or white. But it is possible to have a system that employs social programs while simultaneously employing a capitalist system. This isn't the wild west. Me and many others like me think that society should pitch in together for some things. Education being the major one. Healthcare being the second. Neither of these things should be reserved for only those who can afford them.

I asked her a question. Period. Geez it's really tiring explaining simple sentences to you.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Education being the major one.

Stutter I did not.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

I asked her a question. Period. Geez it's really tiring explaining simple sentences to you.

Bullsh*tty little snide remarks don't change anything Abbey.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Bullsh*tty little snide remarks don't change anything Abbey.

Something you really need to learn, Celine.

 

[MtnBiker]

Stutter I did not.

No you did not stutter but isn't education paid for by the government through highschool?

 

[Hagbard Celine]

No you did not stutter but isn't education paid for by the government through highschool?

No, education is paid for by the government mostly through property taxes.

 

[Annie]

No, education is paid for by the government mostly through property taxes.

You do realize you appear a total asshat, with your 'clever' responses to people that are actually trying to discuss a topic with you?

 

[MtnBiker]

OK then you agree that the government collects tax revenue to spend on education for a person until that person finishes highschool.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

OK then you agree that the government collects tax revenue to spend on education for a person until that person finishes highschool.

Yes.

 

[MtnBiker]

Neither of these things should be reserved for only those who can afford them.

Then you misspoke when you claimed that education is reserved for only those that can afford it.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Then you misspoke when you claimed that education is reserved for only those that can afford it.

Please avoid making proclamations. Some people live in areas where the public school systems are less than adequate while more affluent people in those areas can afford to send their kids to a better, privately funded school. That gives wealthy kids an unfair advantage over those less fortunate than themselves.

And even though the government may already have a public education system in place, it is in much need of reform if we are to compete with foreigners, many of whom are statistically testing higher than their American counterparts.

 

[Annie]

Please avoid making proclamations. Some people live in areas where the public school systems are less than adequate while more affluent people in those areas can afford to send their kids to a better, privately funded school. That gives wealthy kids an unfair advantage over those less fortunate than themselves.

And even though the government may already have a public education system in place, it is in much need of reform if we are to compete with foreigners, many of whom are statistically testing higher than their American counterparts.

So you are for vouchers? Closing private schools? How would you see the government, state or federal, improving public schools? There is plenty of research that could improve public schools if implemented, but the education community does not like what the findings are.