Let's hear a Liberal propose a solution to the Tijuana crisis.

[MarathonMike]

All of us Conservatives WHO WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG about the growing border crisis have offered plenty of solutions. Some are more drastic than others but Conservatives don't all sing off the same sheet of music, so that's fine.

I want to hear a Liberal state clearly what the solution is at the Tijuana border. I haven't read one yet. My solution is the Mexican government starts sending buses tomorrow to transport those thousands of people out of TJ to surrounding towns and cities. Mexico is to provide food and shelter and offer them asylum in Mexico. If they don't take it, they go back to Central America by bus on Mexico's dime.

Mexico also has to stop letting caravans into their Southern border and if they need to use tear gas or electrify the fence or some other non level means. then do it. No guns I don't want to see anyone killed but this shit has got to stop. That is not how our immigration process works and we don't change it just because Central America is a hell hole.

Will a Liberal stand up and give a solution?

Mexico has to control their border. Has to. This has been an ongoing problem for a very long time. My solution is to close the border. See you later. Go home.

How 'bout them liberal apples?

Close it completely or just to the migrants?

 

[Desperado]

Liberals would open the door wide and welcome the criminals in.....

Not all immigrants are criminals.


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Only the ones that enter the country illegally

 

[Disir]

All of us Conservatives WHO WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG about the growing border crisis have offered plenty of solutions. Some are more drastic than others but Conservatives don't all sing off the same sheet of music, so that's fine.

I want to hear a Liberal state clearly what the solution is at the Tijuana border. I haven't read one yet. My solution is the Mexican government starts sending buses tomorrow to transport those thousands of people out of TJ to surrounding towns and cities. Mexico is to provide food and shelter and offer them asylum in Mexico. If they don't take it, they go back to Central America by bus on Mexico's dime.

Mexico also has to stop letting caravans into their Southern border and if they need to use tear gas or electrify the fence or some other non level means. then do it. No guns I don't want to see anyone killed but this shit has got to stop. That is not how our immigration process works and we don't change it just because Central America is a hell hole.

Will a Liberal stand up and give a solution?

Mexico has to control their border. Has to. This has been an ongoing problem for a very long time. My solution is to close the border. See you later. Go home.

How 'bout them liberal apples?

Close it completely or just to the migrants?

Well, can't shut it down completely. To the migrants.

 

[candycorn]

Six months ago was May 27; was there someone trying to come across the border on that day? Likely yes. What likely happened was that the Border Patrol caught whoever it was, detained them, and deported them. This probably happened about 900 times on that day according to the chart below:

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There was no volley of tear gas, no TV cameras, no threads about it....

The only reason there is a supposed crisis there is because of the blob.

No it becomes a 'crisis' when you have upwards of what? 4,000 to 7,000 coming at once vs a handful on a daily basis.

Nonsense. If you look at the graphic we’ve had very busy years of border activity and we didn’t have this manufactured crisis atmosphere.

So tell us just when or where, anywhere along that border have we had that number trying to cross at once???

Either way......blame your damn media for hyping it

Mathematics tells us that in 2000, over a million illegals who were captured. So bank on another million getting through if you wish. Over 365 days that comes out to several thousand a day on the border.

The INS handled it without the manufactured crisis courtesy of the blob

If half of them got through illegally, it wasn't handled, was it? That's a 50%, big fat F. Obviously, that method fails spectacularly!

Since 2000, our stock market which isn’t a good day-to-day indicator of the economy but is a good wide-angle lens has more than doubled (11,000 and some change to 25,000). If a million did get through; there wasn’t this financial disaster you guys continuously predict. Except now we actually need more workers and at the same time….we’re repelling them with tear gas (a little) and complete unhinged hysterical fear amplified by the blob (a lot).

 

[candycorn]

#1 rule for crisis management; don't have a crisis atmosphere. If you over-react, so will everyone else.

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

 

[Tresha91203]

No it becomes a 'crisis' when you have upwards of what? 4,000 to 7,000 coming at once vs a handful on a daily basis.

Nonsense. If you look at the graphic we’ve had very busy years of border activity and we didn’t have this manufactured crisis atmosphere.

So tell us just when or where, anywhere along that border have we had that number trying to cross at once???

Either way......blame your damn media for hyping it

Mathematics tells us that in 2000, over a million illegals who were captured. So bank on another million getting through if you wish. Over 365 days that comes out to several thousand a day on the border.

The INS handled it without the manufactured crisis courtesy of the blob

If half of them got through illegally, it wasn't handled, was it? That's a 50%, big fat F. Obviously, that method fails spectacularly!

Since 2000, our stock market which isn’t a good day-to-day indicator of the economy but is a good wide-angle lens has more than doubled (11,000 and some change to 25,000). If a million did get through; there wasn’t this financial disaster you guys continuously predict. Except now we actually need more workers and at the same time….we’re repelling them with tear gas (a little) and complete unhinged hysterical fear amplified by the blob (a lot).

Is it your position that its fine if half the people jumping our border unvetted are successful?

 

[MarathonMike]

#1 rule for crisis management; don't have a crisis atmosphere. If you over-react, so will everyone else.

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

That's good! So when we arrest them for trespassing they have forfeited any claim to asylum since they were just trying to illegally enter America. Then we deport them. I like that strategy. I would have done exactly what border patrol did but your strategy has merit.

 

[Tresha91203]

#1 rule for crisis management; don't have a crisis atmosphere. If you over-react, so will everyone else.

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

Throwing rocks and bottles at our agents isn't illegal? What if it were a moltov cocktail? At what point would you consider it assault, which is a crime in both countries.

 

[candycorn]

When we

#1 rule for crisis management; don't have a crisis atmosphere. If you over-react, so will everyone else.

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

That's good! So when we arrest them for trespassing they have forfeited any claim to asylum since they were just trying to illegally enter America. Then we deport them. I like that strategy. I would have done exactly what border patrol did but your strategy has merit.

And it's legal! Firing into another country violates international law, opens your citizens up to having them picked off by their side, and plus; it's just a moronic, stupid, and cruel thing to do. The perverted blob in the White House has embarrassed the nation in ways that none of us knew was possible. It will take decades to restore the national reputation once he oozes out of the Oval.

Contrary to Trump ass-kisser dogma I (and almost everyone else I know) have zero sympathy for those who rushed the border wall. I do hate how the blob makes us look.

 

[candycorn]

#1 rule for crisis management; don't have a crisis atmosphere. If you over-react, so will everyone else.

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

Throwing rocks and bottles at our agents isn't illegal?

Ya know, I don't know if it is or not. I'm not sure what the international law is. Domestically it is illegal. I do know responding with tear gas and firing it into Mexico is a disproportional response.

 

[Tresha91203]

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

Throwing rocks and bottles at our agents isn't illegal?

Ya know, I don't know if it is or not. I'm not sure what the international law is. Domestically it is illegal. I do know responding with tear gas and firing it into Mexico is a disproportional response.

Of course it is illegal to stand in one country and attack another country.

 

[danielpalos]

Temporary work visas

Everyone should be a Tourist unless and until they apply for immigration and naturalization.

It is simple.

The "tourist" visa could be renewable annually.

Upgrading Ellis Island is a cost effective and market friendly solution.

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. not a State id., anyway.

 

[candycorn]

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

Throwing rocks and bottles at our agents isn't illegal?

Ya know, I don't know if it is or not. I'm not sure what the international law is. Domestically it is illegal. I do know responding with tear gas and firing it into Mexico is a disproportional response.

Of course it is illegal to stand in one country and attack another country.

Ok.

 

[BlueGin]

The liberal approach is to to allow all of them to enter, apply for asylum and then be released into the general public while they await their asylum hearing (wink, wink).

Them and all their untreated infectious diseases...that the taxpayers then get to pay for.

 

[MarathonMike]

When we

Well, here's the thing. When you overwhelm all of the shelter, food and health services of a small border town with 8000 migrants you kind of have a crisis.

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

That's good! So when we arrest them for trespassing they have forfeited any claim to asylum since they were just trying to illegally enter America. Then we deport them. I like that strategy. I would have done exactly what border patrol did but your strategy has merit.

And it's legal! Firing into another country violates international law, opens your citizens up to having them picked off by their side, and plus; it's just a moronic, stupid, and cruel thing to do. The perverted blob in the White House has embarrassed the nation in ways that none of us knew was possible. It will take decades to restore the national reputation once he oozes out of the Oval.

Contrary to Trump ass-kisser dogma I (and almost everyone else I know) have zero sympathy for those who rushed the border wall. I do hate how the blob makes us look.

What are you talking about? You had a good solution for allowing the aggressive mob to enter the US and arrest them for trespassing. So the aggressors take themselves out of the asylum pool and back to Honduras they go. Now you are ranting about Trump which is irrelevant to the thread.

 

[candycorn]

When we

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

That's good! So when we arrest them for trespassing they have forfeited any claim to asylum since they were just trying to illegally enter America. Then we deport them. I like that strategy. I would have done exactly what border patrol did but your strategy has merit.

And it's legal! Firing into another country violates international law, opens your citizens up to having them picked off by their side, and plus; it's just a moronic, stupid, and cruel thing to do. The perverted blob in the White House has embarrassed the nation in ways that none of us knew was possible. It will take decades to restore the national reputation once he oozes out of the Oval.

Contrary to Trump ass-kisser dogma I (and almost everyone else I know) have zero sympathy for those who rushed the border wall. I do hate how the blob makes us look.

What are you talking about? You had a good solution for allowing the aggressive mob to enter the US and arrest them for trespassing. So the aggressors take themselves out of the asylum pool and back to Honduras they go. Now you are ranting about Trump which is irrelevant to the thread.

And the same thing would have happened had he not taken the theatrical set of sending troops to the border to create the crisis atmosphere. We apprehend/deport a thousand people a day without the blob making targets of our people on the border.

 

[candycorn]

The liberal approach is to to allow all of them to enter, apply for asylum and then be released into the general public while they await their asylum hearing (wink, wink).

Them and all their untreated infectious diseases...that the taxpayers then get to pay for.

Ahh Nostalgia....

Worried about refugee disease are you?

Back when I was public sector we had a refugee screening program that was federally mandated (back when we had a real President).

Here is the webpage...

Texas Department of State Health Services - Program Descriptions for Lab Forms

Now...see that circled link for more information? Amazing what happens when you click that link....

Yep...the blob got rid of it.

Let me guess...you're no longer worried about refugee diseases. The blob isn't...so you're not.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Firing into another country violates international law…

Not when that other country is committing an act of war. For example, allowing an invasion force that targets your country safe passage through theirs, or gives any kind of aid or support to such an invasion force.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Buy 40 acres and save the Donkeys!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Ya know, I don't know if it is or not. I'm not sure what the international law is. Domestically it is illegal. I do know responding with tear gas and firing it into Mexico is a disproportional response.

Are White Phosphorous mortar rounds better, *****? If not, STFU then.

We really could set up motherfucking Bouncing Bettys all along the border, you stupid traitorous putz.


A nice high wall is the most humane solution. It needs to get done.