Let's hear a Liberal propose a solution to the Tijuana crisis.

[candycorn]

Firing into another country violates international law…

Not when that other country is committing an act of war. For example, allowing an invasion force that targets your country safe passage through theirs, or gives any kind of aid or support to such an invasion force.

Mexico had soldiers down there too.

People on both sides are blowing this thing all out of proportion. There were no serious injuries. This was a demonstration that got out of control because the migrants thought they were not going be able to petition for asylum.

Immigration needs to process these people faster. They have had 2 months to prepare for this and they have thousands of troops that can put up tents and housing and yet they are doing very little. By limiting the number of asylum seekers allowed to apply, Trump is making his own immigration crisis.

It's tense and it's going get worse as more migrants arrive at the Tijuana sports complex which has been converted to are refugee camp. They have a shortages of food, water and sanitary facilities and the city says they only have money to operate for two weeks and more migrants are arriving everyday.

Which returns us to the thread premise: this is a ‘crisis’ the consequence of failed, wrongheaded conservative immigration policy, or the lack thereof – and the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and demagoguery.

No, this is a consequence of pretending the exploitation is ok when you elect a Democrat but it's back to being bad when you elect someone you don't like.

Exploitation?

 

[MarathonMike]

Not when that other country is committing an act of war. For example, allowing an invasion force that targets your country safe passage through theirs, or gives any kind of aid or support to such an invasion force.

Mexico had soldiers down there too.

People on both sides are blowing this thing all out of proportion. There were no serious injuries. This was a demonstration that got out of control because the migrants thought they were not going be able to petition for asylum.

Immigration needs to process these people faster. They have had 2 months to prepare for this and they have thousands of troops that can put up tents and housing and yet they are doing very little. By limiting the number of asylum seekers allowed to apply, Trump is making his own immigration crisis.

It's tense and it's going get worse as more migrants arrive at the Tijuana sports complex which has been converted to are refugee camp. They have a shortages of food, water and sanitary facilities and the city says they only have money to operate for two weeks and more migrants are arriving everyday.

Which returns us to the thread premise: this is a ‘crisis’ the consequence of failed, wrongheaded conservative immigration policy, or the lack thereof – and the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and demagoguery.

What is YOUR solution to the CURRENT CRISIS in Tijuana, Clayton?

The thread premise itself proves just how ignorant, clueless, and out of touch most conservatives are with regard to the issue of immigration; conservatives blinded by their fear, bigotry, hate, and partisanism are unable to understand that this is a ‘crisis’ of their own making, a ‘crisis’ liberals simply would have never allowed to happen.

All you ever do is hide behind your legaleaze and Conservative bashing. Next.

 

[Disir]

Not when that other country is committing an act of war. For example, allowing an invasion force that targets your country safe passage through theirs, or gives any kind of aid or support to such an invasion force.

Mexico had soldiers down there too.

People on both sides are blowing this thing all out of proportion. There were no serious injuries. This was a demonstration that got out of control because the migrants thought they were not going be able to petition for asylum.

Immigration needs to process these people faster. They have had 2 months to prepare for this and they have thousands of troops that can put up tents and housing and yet they are doing very little. By limiting the number of asylum seekers allowed to apply, Trump is making his own immigration crisis.

It's tense and it's going get worse as more migrants arrive at the Tijuana sports complex which has been converted to are refugee camp. They have a shortages of food, water and sanitary facilities and the city says they only have money to operate for two weeks and more migrants are arriving everyday.

Which returns us to the thread premise: this is a ‘crisis’ the consequence of failed, wrongheaded conservative immigration policy, or the lack thereof – and the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and demagoguery.

No, this is a consequence of pretending the exploitation is ok when you elect a Democrat but it's back to being bad when you elect someone you don't like.

Exploitation?

Yes. Exploitation.

 

[candycorn]

Mexico had soldiers down there too.

People on both sides are blowing this thing all out of proportion. There were no serious injuries. This was a demonstration that got out of control because the migrants thought they were not going be able to petition for asylum.

Immigration needs to process these people faster. They have had 2 months to prepare for this and they have thousands of troops that can put up tents and housing and yet they are doing very little. By limiting the number of asylum seekers allowed to apply, Trump is making his own immigration crisis.

It's tense and it's going get worse as more migrants arrive at the Tijuana sports complex which has been converted to are refugee camp. They have a shortages of food, water and sanitary facilities and the city says they only have money to operate for two weeks and more migrants are arriving everyday.

Which returns us to the thread premise: this is a ‘crisis’ the consequence of failed, wrongheaded conservative immigration policy, or the lack thereof – and the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and demagoguery.

No, this is a consequence of pretending the exploitation is ok when you elect a Democrat but it's back to being bad when you elect someone you don't like.

Exploitation?

Yes. Exploitation.

Ok. LOL

 

[Disir]

People on both sides are blowing this thing all out of proportion. There were no serious injuries. This was a demonstration that got out of control because the migrants thought they were not going be able to petition for asylum.

Immigration needs to process these people faster. They have had 2 months to prepare for this and they have thousands of troops that can put up tents and housing and yet they are doing very little. By limiting the number of asylum seekers allowed to apply, Trump is making his own immigration crisis.

It's tense and it's going get worse as more migrants arrive at the Tijuana sports complex which has been converted to are refugee camp. They have a shortages of food, water and sanitary facilities and the city says they only have money to operate for two weeks and more migrants are arriving everyday.

Which returns us to the thread premise: this is a ‘crisis’ the consequence of failed, wrongheaded conservative immigration policy, or the lack thereof – and the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and demagoguery.

No, this is a consequence of pretending the exploitation is ok when you elect a Democrat but it's back to being bad when you elect someone you don't like.

Exploitation?

Yes. Exploitation.

Ok. LOL

Thanks for making my point.

 

[candycorn]

Which returns us to the thread premise: this is a ‘crisis’ the consequence of failed, wrongheaded conservative immigration policy, or the lack thereof – and the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and demagoguery.

No, this is a consequence of pretending the exploitation is ok when you elect a Democrat but it's back to being bad when you elect someone you don't like.

Exploitation?

Yes. Exploitation.

Ok. LOL

Thanks for making my point.

I think God made your point. But they have caps and hats to cover it.

 

[Disir]

No, this is a consequence of pretending the exploitation is ok when you elect a Democrat but it's back to being bad when you elect someone you don't like.

Exploitation?

Yes. Exploitation.

Ok. LOL

Thanks for making my point.

I think God made your point. But they have caps and hats to cover it.

You are just another pretentious twatwaffle.

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Privatization of education?

History

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Over 200 firms investing
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But, the IMF says it's all good.
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[candycorn]

Exploitation?

Yes. Exploitation.

Ok. LOL

Thanks for making my point.

I think God made your point. But they have caps and hats to cover it.

You are just another pretentious twatwaffle.

Poor Guatemalans Are Taking On North American Mining Companies—and Have the Bullet Wounds to Prove It

Water
“Water is Life”: Guatemalan March for Water Rights Connects Struggles Across Latin America - Upside Down World
Guatemala’s campesinos march to demand right to water - Waging Nonviolence

Privatization of education?

History

The devastating effects of American intervention in Guatemala

Public Costs, Private Gains: Enron in Guatemala | Democracy Uprising


Over 200 firms investing
Guatemala

But, the IMF says it's all good.
IMF Staff Concludes Visit to Guatemala

Wow...you can't imagine how many ***** I don't give.

 

[Disir]

Yes. Exploitation.

Ok. LOL

Thanks for making my point.

I think God made your point. But they have caps and hats to cover it.

You are just another pretentious twatwaffle.

Poor Guatemalans Are Taking On North American Mining Companies—and Have the Bullet Wounds to Prove It

Water
“Water is Life”: Guatemalan March for Water Rights Connects Struggles Across Latin America - Upside Down World
Guatemala’s campesinos march to demand right to water - Waging Nonviolence

Privatization of education?

History

The devastating effects of American intervention in Guatemala

Public Costs, Private Gains: Enron in Guatemala | Democracy Uprising


Over 200 firms investing
Guatemala

But, the IMF says it's all good.
IMF Staff Concludes Visit to Guatemala

Wow...you can't imagine how many ***** I don't give.

And there it is again. You made my point.

Now find enough in you to **** off.

 

[candycorn]

Ok. LOL

Thanks for making my point.

I think God made your point. But they have caps and hats to cover it.

You are just another pretentious twatwaffle.

Poor Guatemalans Are Taking On North American Mining Companies—and Have the Bullet Wounds to Prove It

Water
“Water is Life”: Guatemalan March for Water Rights Connects Struggles Across Latin America - Upside Down World
Guatemala’s campesinos march to demand right to water - Waging Nonviolence

Privatization of education?

History

The devastating effects of American intervention in Guatemala

Public Costs, Private Gains: Enron in Guatemala | Democracy Uprising


Over 200 firms investing
Guatemala

But, the IMF says it's all good.
IMF Staff Concludes Visit to Guatemala

Wow...you can't imagine how many ***** I don't give.

And there it is again. You made my point.

Now find enough in you to **** off.

 

[bendog]

All of us Conservatives WHO WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG about the growing border crisis have offered plenty of solutions. Some are more drastic than others but Conservatives don't all sing off the same sheet of music, so that's fine.

I want to hear a Liberal state clearly what the solution is at the Tijuana border. I haven't read one yet. My solution is the Mexican government starts sending buses tomorrow to transport those thousands of people out of TJ to surrounding towns and cities. Mexico is to provide food and shelter and offer them asylum in Mexico. If they don't take it, they go back to Central America by bus on Mexico's dime.

Mexico also has to stop letting caravans into their Southern border and if they need to use tear gas or electrify the fence or some other non level means. then do it. No guns I don't want to see anyone killed but this shit has got to stop. That is not how our immigration process works and we don't change it just because Central America is a hell hole.

Will a Liberal stand up and give a solution?

I say just say no to Tequila!

 

[Flopper]

No....when you react with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.... you play into the hands of those who are only seeking to create trouble on the border.

What would you suggest as a better approach to a group of several hundred migrant men rushing through the border gates throwing rocks and bottles at border agents?

Retreat to a safe distance as to not get hit by these troublemakers. As soon as they step onto American soil, arrest them for trespassing as they have not violated ours (or anyone else’s laws) until then.

What would you have done differently that what was done?

That's good! So when we arrest them for trespassing they have forfeited any claim to asylum since they were just trying to illegally enter America. Then we deport them. I like that strategy. I would have done exactly what border patrol did but your strategy has merit.

Migrants do not loose there right to apply for asylum because they have entered the country illegally. If a person is flagged for deportation, they can still apply for asylum. However, meeting the requirements are not easy. The applicant has to convince the asylum agent and a judge that he or she has creditable fear of harm due to religious or political persecution if they return to their native land. They must also must pass a background check and must have sufficient English skills to present their case or hire an interpreter because immigration does not provide them.

Fine Let them apply. Then disqualify them for entering the country illegally by charging the gates and/or assaulting US officers and deport them. That gets rid of the most aggressive members of the caravan, so that's perfect.

And you are 100% correct that they have to prove credible fear of due to RELIGIOUS or POLITICAL persecution. Nearly every interview I've heard, the migrants do not mention that at all. It's about getting a job making a better life etc. Very understandable but not at all applicable to asylum.

The applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or a particular social group.

The social group is often women and children in the central American northern triangle. They are valued by gangs because they make excellent smugglers of drugs and fire arms. Trucks often drive through poor neighborhoods grabbing them off the streets and even from their homes. The fact that they can be readily sold on the international market as sex slaves makes them even more valuable.

Others will claims that they are targeted by the police because of political activity. And still other will petition based on persecution because they are members of the LGBT community.

Generally all of the above reasons and others have been accepted by the courts. However, a relatively small number get asylum. This is because there has to be evidence offered to support the claim. First, that evidence must convince the court that the person is indeed fearfully for the life of themselves or their family if they return home. That evidence is usually a history of attacks, torture, and intimidation. Second, there must be evidence that the reason for asylum meets the requirements of the law. This is all very difficult for most migrants that petition at the border since very few have legal council and they must be able to present and defend their claim in English because the court does not provide interpreters.

 

[Oddball]