Let's Drop the Partisan Knee-Jerk Reactions and Look at the Ukraine Negotiations Realistically and Fairly

JoeB131 said:
We don't have to buy them. We can attract them as equals, unlike your misogynistic cult.

Didn't you get dumped by some German girl once?
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Hey. Mor(m)onism is not misogynistic. It allows women to have sex too. With the same man, but they are equal to one another. Unless they were cursed by Cain, but definitely still equal in their terrestial femaleness. See, Tipphanee, Styphaneigh, Chassideigh, Ysabeleighnie, Celesteleighnee and Truleigh are not just equal wives, they are all equal sisters too.
 
gipper said:
You’re concerned about Russia interfering with it’s neighbor Ukraine, yet the USG interferes with nearly every nation on earth.

Do you see the hypocrisy?
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It's true
 
mikegriffith1 said:
On one side, we have many conservatives accusing Zelensky of rejecting peace and being unreasonable because he wants a permanent peace deal that includes a security guarantee and because he does not want to cede any territory. On another side, we have many liberals accusing Trump of siding with Putin and selling out Ukraine because he is not agreeing to all of Zelensky's terms. Could a realistic, fair assessment be somewhere between these two extremes?

A unilateral U.S. guarantee of Ukraine's security would be virtually de facto NATO membership. It would obligate us to go to war with Russia if Russia invaded Ukraine again. Any future U.S. military intervention in Ukraine would require us to use some NATO nations as staging areas, just as we're doing now only more so. A NATO guarantee of Ukraine's security would be de facto NATO membership. Putin fiercely rejects either option, especially the latter option, as do most average Russians.

Yet, one certainly cannot blame Zelensky for wanting some kind of credible security guarantee, given Putin's track record of violating agreements.

I am not comfortable with Trump's posturing on Ukraine, especially his idiotic statement that Ukraine started the war. However, I recognize this may be a negotiating tactic to allow Putin to save some face while denying him control of most/all of Ukraine. I certainly hope that's what it is. If Trump truly believes that Ukraine started the war, he is horribly misinformed and is peddling Russian propaganda.

I also recognize that there is strong pro-Russian sentiment in three of Ukraine's eastern provinces (Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Donetsk), and that a peace deal may need to include ceding some territory in those provinces.

A few days ago, Trump told England's prime minister that Putin was willing to agree to a European peacekeeping force in Ukraine as part of a peace deal. If that's true, that could be significant, depending on the size and duration of the peacekeeping force.

I want a peace deal that gives Ukraine long-term independence and that permanently halts Russian interference in Ukraine's internal affairs. I would strongly prefer that Ukraine not be required to cede any territory. However, I could accept ceding some territory in the three eastern provinces if doing so permanently ended Russian efforts to topple Ukraine and gave Ukraine long-term independence.

I think it is too early to be forming firm, final opinions about the Ukraine negotiations. We need details about the various peace-deal proposals. Let's see where the negotiations go and what the final terms end up being.

If Trump does end up selling out Ukraine, I will never cease to criticize him for doing so. I have dear friends in Ukraine. But, if Trump ends up preserving Ukraine's long-term independence and puts an end to Russian interference in Ukraine, I will gladly congratulate him for doing so.
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Russia invaded Ukraine to stop America from setting up NATO bases in Ukraine.

America, stop the bullshit and the war can end.

Zelenskyy (1).webp
 
gipper said:
You’re concerned about Russia interfering with it’s neighbor Ukraine, yet the USG interferes with nearly every nation on earth.

Do you see the hypocrisy?
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Interfering in politics is one thing , invading a neighboring country and committing continuous war crimes is quite another.
 
rightwinger said:
Trump needs to admit Ukraine to NATO

Unless Putin engages in serious negotiations
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As weakened as Russia is, such an assertion would scare Vlad to the table. But trump won't make even such a hint. He is still hoping Russia wins the war. He is even offering trade deals to Russia to ease their economic woes...while he attacks our allies with tariffs. Such it is with Tyrants.
 
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Delldude said:
The coke head would leverage a false flag attack to draw NATO in to war with Russia. Pretty sure that is the goal. Ukraine will never ever beat Russia alone.
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Why would Donald Jr. setup a false flag?

WW
 
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