Let's be honest

[Statistikhengst]

Plenty of Democrats were complicit regarding the Iraq incursion.
Don't fool yourself, fool.

Is that what we call a military action that has cost us considerable more than 1 trillion dollars these days?

 

[Statistikhengst]

The invasion of Iraq has unleashed the forces of radical Islam the which we had no idea.

Please explain your thesis that radical Islam did not exist prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I don't think that's his thesis.

He is arguing that removing Saddam took the cap off of it and brought it to the surface.

Yes, very similar to what happened in Yugoslavia when it fell apart.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Fun to watch the RWNJs spew here. Fun!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Please explain your thesis that radical Islam did not exist prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I don't think that's his thesis.

He is arguing that removing Saddam took the cap off of it and brought it to the surface.

Yes, very similar to what happened in Yugoslavia when it fell apart.

Or the violence in eastern Europe when communism fell, Romania as a super example.

 

[healthmyths]

NOT ONE single post describing the role the MSM and Democrats had in prolonging the "Accomplished Mission"!
NOT ONE single post recognizing that Saddam starved half a million children RATHER then admit he'd destroyed WMDs!
NOT ONE single post recognizing the f...king 1991 War was never over ... i.e. The 1991 Cease Fire committed US to finish the job!

NOT ONE of all you idiots including Conservatives blaming Bush when on 5/1/03 after the war started on 3/19/03 less then 43 days:
1) Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq.
The vast majority of casualties, both military and civilian, occurred after the speech.

NOT ONE of all you idiots SEEM to consider this study:
THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT"
That asked the simple question:
"Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?

The resounding answer WAS YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.
Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war.
In Iraqi provinces that were broadly comparable in social and economic terms, attacks increased between 7 percent and 10 percent following what the researchers call "high-mention weeks," like the two just before the November 2006 election.
If the Harvard study is right, we may be looking at a virtuous circle: Less violence means less media coverage, which in turn means less violence, says the Wall Street Journal. Perhaps one day we'll wake up to discover that America won the war in Iraq months earlier, but no one noticed because the reporters were all busy with other things.

And so NOT ONE of you seem to remember these totally traitorous comments including those made by Obama that HELPED prolong the killing of
4,000 unnecessary deaths of US troops BECAUSE of political ideology!

All because these TRAITORS encouraged recruitment for terrorists when these traitors called our troops terrorists, civilian killers!

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Do you think these were encouraging words to OUR military or to the terrorists?

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "


ALL those words... words... THAT had meanings to the terrorists that recruited more terrorists that killed more people!

PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE!!!!
Do you comprehend the above FACTS???
Even little children understand when you CHEER for someone as the above idiots did when they made those statements...
little kids understand that encourages people..i.e. the terrorists!
MY God why are you idiots even conservatives forgetting that those words had meanings!!!!
Calling our military "civilian killers"... "NAZIs..." TERRORISTS!
Those stupid idiotic helpful statements prolonged and with the MSM constantly constantly throwing up all the bad crap and none of the good that
our troops did:
1) Overthrowing Saddam has now saved nearly 2 million children from starvation because WHY??
SADDAM is no longer in power and refusing to state he had no WMDs! Do you understand? He stood by and let kids starve rather then
ADMIT he had NO WMDs! Which is why the embargo by the UN and dozens of nations was enforced...again because he wouldn't admit!
AND so you idiots with 20/20 hindsight completely forget this! Why would a sane man allow 500,000 children to starve if he didn't have WMDs?
In five years 576,000 children starved BECAUSE SADDAM refused to certify WMD destruction!
Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N. Reports - NYTimes.com

2) Why can't you guys admit that when Saddam was in power
28 million people were in a stone age economy where in 2003 under Saddam the per capita GDP was $518.
Per CIA world book Iraq's per capita GDP is $7,100 (2013 est.) A total increase of over 1,270% in 10 years or 127% a year.
GDP is growing faster then the USA!
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html

And YET... even conservatives seemingly DON"T UNDERSTAND the above so why should idiots like liberals/progressives,etc. be any smarter?

So YES!! "LET'S BE HONEST"!
The Liberation of Iraq was done on 5/1/2003 BUT the war was prolonged by idiots like the above that did everything but shoot our troops themselves!
YOU don't in a time of war stand up and tell the enemy..."YUP! We be the bad guys! We be the killers of civilians. We be Terrorists!
Or as Pogo once said ""We have met the enemy and he is us."!

 

[JakeStarkey]

hm, the far right reactionary drone bot defense of Bush merely highlights his failure in Iraq.

 

[francoHFW]

Boosh's pal/choice Maliki was a total disaster. His record is perfect, a catastrophe every time. Hopefully, the Iraqis are learning about what good democracy entails. Start with separation of church and state.

Many thanks also to Pubs for the corrupt world depression that is behind ALL this chaos, and 5 years of mindless, bs party first obstruction and phony crises...a disgrace.

 

[healthmyths]

hm, the far right reactionary drone bot defense of Bush merely highlights his failure in Iraq.

NOT ONE refutation of the FACTS though!
The war was over in less then 43 days BUT because traitors like you that hated Bush more then you care for the country encouraged the terrorists to murder 4,000+ troops!
By agreeing with Obama who called our troops civilian killers, Kerry calling our troops "terrorists" among the other traitors like you you are so complicit in these deaths it s appalling!

Bush DID what these 32 democrats wanted to do but didn't have the GUTS!
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.


All again agreeing Saddam had to go!

 

[Mr. H.]

Plenty of Democrats were complicit regarding the Iraq incursion.
Don't fool yourself, fool.

Is that what we call a military action that has cost us considerable more than 1 trillion dollars these days?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Our last two presidents have shown us what doesn't work in Iraq.

 

[healthmyths]

Our last two presidents have shown us what doesn't work in Iraq.

The USA will NEVER EVER win any more "wars" while our MSM continues to support the Democrat party.
Given the study that showed that :

THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT"
That asked the simple question:
"Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?

The resounding answer WAS YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.
Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war.
In Iraqi provinces that were broadly comparable in social and economic terms, attacks increased between 7 percent and 10 percent following what the researchers call "high-mention weeks," like the two just before the November 2006 election.
f the Harvard study is right, we may be looking at a virtuous circle: Less violence means less media coverage, which in turn means less violence, says the Wall Street Journal. Perhaps one day we'll wake up to discover that America won the war in Iraq months earlier, but no one noticed because the reporters were all busy with other things.

And so NOT ONE of you seem to remember these totally traitorous comments including those made by Obama that HELPED prolong the killing of
4,000 unnecessary deaths of US troops BECAUSE of political ideology!

All because these TRAITORS encouraged recruitment for terrorists when these traitors called our troops terrorists, civilian killers!

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Do you think these were encouraging words to OUR military or to the terrorists?

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "


ALL those words... words... THAT had meanings to the terrorists that recruited more terrorists that killed more people!

 

[Freewill]

Plenty of Democrats were complicit regarding the Iraq incursion.
Don't fool yourself, fool.

'Complicit' in that Bush sold them on bad military analysis, which allowed him to invade and mismanage the whole god-forsaken debacle. No 72 virgins for you, fool.

So Jake when are you actually going to start to be honest? Ignoring everyone else concentration on one person, Hillary. Was she swayed by Bush or did she have a source of insider information?

To be honest the only "truth" you know is that which is bleated out from the DNC.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Our last two presidents have shown us what doesn't work in Iraq.

The USA will NEVER EVER win any more "wars" while our MSM continues to support the Democrat party.
Given the study that showed that :

THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT"
That asked the simple question:
"Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?

The resounding answer WAS YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.
Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war.
In Iraqi provinces that were broadly comparable in social and economic terms, attacks increased between 7 percent and 10 percent following what the researchers call "high-mention weeks," like the two just before the November 2006 election.
f the Harvard study is right, we may be looking at a virtuous circle: Less violence means less media coverage, which in turn means less violence, says the Wall Street Journal. Perhaps one day we'll wake up to discover that America won the war in Iraq months earlier, but no one noticed because the reporters were all busy with other things.

And so NOT ONE of you seem to remember these totally traitorous comments including those made by Obama that HELPED prolong the killing of
4,000 unnecessary deaths of US troops BECAUSE of political ideology!

All because these TRAITORS encouraged recruitment for terrorists when these traitors called our troops terrorists, civilian killers!

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Do you think these were encouraging words to OUR military or to the terrorists?

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "


ALL those words... words... THAT had meanings to the terrorists that recruited more terrorists that killed more people!

We haven't fared very well under Republican CiC's either dude.

 

[Wildman]

Lmfao. The most dishonest USMB poster calls for honesty.

We left Iraq prematurely under Obama. Period.

I immediately started laughing when I saw jake was the OP

Me too.

that makes at least three of us, i not only laffed [sic] but i till i almost fell off my chair.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And we laugh when you guys post your silly nonsense.