Let’s assume Trump declares victory then leaves

[Correll]

Iran retaliated against Trumps attacks

If Trump had consulted anyone else, they would have told him what would happen.
Trump did it anyway

But, IRAN is teh one that did it. THEY are the ones attacking ship that try to use the straits.


You are holding TRUMP responsible for their actions.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Whose actions caused it?
It was open for shipping for a hundred years before Trump

The actions of whatever terrorists have closed it. Duh.

They will soon be done away with just like the Mullahs.

Your respect for these people you cannot even name is bizarre.

 

[rightwinger]

The actions of whatever terrorists have closed it. Duh.

They will soon be done away with just like the Mullahs.

Your respect for these people you cannot even name is bizarre.

Trump upset the bee hive and whines when he gets stung

 

[Correll]

The actions of whatever terrorists have closed it. Duh.

They will soon be done away with just like the Mullahs.

Your respect for these people you cannot even name is bizarre.

They are the enemies of AMERICA.

So, the dems are on their side.


It is that simple.

 

[Correll]

Trump upset the bee hive and whines when he gets stung

Except the IRANIANS are PEOPLE, who are... normally responsible for their actions.


THey could have NOT targetted innocent civilian traffic in the straits.


But, they are terrorist scum of the earth and they CHOOSE to break international law and attack innocent sailors in the straits.


YOU, being a democrat in America, naturally defend them, by giving them a pass on their choices and actions and put the blame for their actions on to the AMERICAN PRESIDENT, who you hate.

 

[Crepitus]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

No, it's not wrong and it's exacly why tRump sticking his little Mario Kart mushroom into the area was a bad idea.

 

[rightwinger]

Except the IRANIANS are PEOPLE, who are... normally responsible for their actions.


THey could have NOT targetted innocent civilian traffic in the straits.


But, they are terrorist scum of the earth and they CHOOSE to break international law and attack innocent sailors in the straits.


YOU, being a democrat in America, naturally defend them, by giving them a pass on their choices and actions and put the blame for their actions on to the AMERICAN PRESIDENT, who you hate.

Iran is a country facing the most powerful military in the world.

The only card they have to play is to shut down the Strait of Hormuz

The rest of the world understood this
Trump acts surprised

 

[Zincwarrior]

The only nation on fire is Iran.

So, you guys are all good if the UAE, the Sauds, Qutar and the rest supporting Trump going beyond the 60 day window and just pounding Iran until they have no will left at all.

You're all good with that, right?

I literally give less than two shits. Not our fight.

 

[Correll]

No, it's not wrong and it's exacly why tRump sticking his little Mario Kart mushroom into the area was a bad idea.

Are the iranians responsible for their own actions?

 

[Correll]

Iran is a country facing the most powerful military in the world.

The only card they have to play is to shut down the Strait of Hormuz

The rest of the world understood this
Trump acts surprised

But they still choose to play that card. That was their choice, their action.

Yet you are not holding them responsible for it.

You are hold TRUMP; responsible.


You are on the side of the people acctually attacking the innocent sailors and ships.

 

[Mac-7]

Or, as they believe, it could be prevented. No Israel, no Third Temple, no antichrist.

Dream on

 

[Seymour Flops]

Iran is a country facing the most powerful military in the world.

The only card they have to play is to shut down the Strait of Hormuz

The rest of the world understood this
Trump acts surprised

But they have been international thugs for the last forty-five years, sponsoring terror, attacking innocent people, and trying to build nuclear weapons. All because of their bizarre religious fanaticism.

Your sympathy for them is misplaced to say the least.

 

[Correll]

I am not giving Trump a pass on making the decision to go to war without consulting Congress, the American People or our global allies
All would have advised against it.

This is on Trump

And the Iranians, your allies, you give a pass to.


Even though they are the ones actually doing the blocking.

 

[Rocko]

I literally give less than two shits. Not our fight.

I don’t know about you, but I sleep better knowing Iran doesn’t have nukes and won’t get them. By the time it’s our fight it’ll be too late.

 

[BackAgain]

I am not giving Trump a pass on making the decision to go to war without consulting Congress, the American People or our global allies
All would have advised against it.

This is on Trump

You have it backwards, as usual.

This IS “on Trump,” but it is emphatically NOT something which calls for any “pass.”

His decisive actions are actually very good things.

Iran with nuclear weapons = bad. Very bad.

Iran with no nuclear weapons = excellent.

 

[task0778]

But they still choose to play that card. That was their choice, their action.

Yet you are not holding them responsible for it.

You are hold TRUMP; responsible.


You are on the side of the people acctually attacking the innocent sailors and ships.

I don't think anybody believes that Iran is blameless and not responsible for their actions and decisions, going back to overthrow of the Shah. BUT - Trump should be held responsible for his actions and decisions too. To wit: was there actionable intelligence that an attack was imminent on the US or US interests abroad? That Iran is a country run by murderous bastards that should be eliminated is not the question; most of us wouldn't disagree with that. But did we have to start a war with them right now? Had to be done right now? Why?

Did we or did we not destroy their abilities to build and deliver a nuke? I can see that as a legit military objective. Did we do that? If yes, then why are we still there? If not, why hasn't that been done?

I can also see clearing the Straits as a reasonable military objective that our allies ought to be participating in. Other countries have mine sweepers, no? Are they using them to clear the Strait of mines? Hey, sell 'em a mine sweeper or 2. I'm good with destroying the Iranian navy, probably wasn't much to begin with. Whatever it takes to clear the Strait and keep it that way. But that needs to be a global effort, not just us or paid for by us.

No doubt there is quite a lot of intel that we don't know. Which can and IMHO should raise a number of questions/doubts about what's going on. But Trump cannot divulge much info without compromising future intel people and efforts, so we're kinda left with accepting his actions and decisions but with a grain of salt. How much trust he deserves is open to debate.

 

[Zavulon]

You have it backwards, as usual.

This IS “on Trump,” but it is emphatically NOT something which calls for any “pass.”

His decisive actions are actually very good things.

Iran with nuclear weapons = bad. Very bad.

Iran with no nuclear weapons = excellent.

You see, by attacking a non-nuclear country, following rules of non proliferation treaty, Trump effectively cancelled this threaty. And it means, that in few years there will be not only nuclear Iran, but also nuclear Brazil, nuclear Venezuela and nuclear Mexico.
Do you think that the world with that many nuclear players will be safer than now?

 

[Zavulon]

Dream on

That's worked for two millenia. What's your plan? Rebuild Israel, rebuild the Temple and invite anti-christ in it?

 

[rightwinger]

But they still choose to play that card. That was their choice, their action.

Yet you are not holding them responsible for it.

You are hold TRUMP; responsible.


You are on the side of the people acctually attacking the innocent sailors and ships.

Trump forced their hand
Rest of the world new the result

Trump plays….nobody could have expected this

 

[yidnar]

Seriously?

Because we bombed a girls school?

if true its a terrible mistake and tragedy .. mistakes .. sometimes terrible mistakes happen in combat .. the US does not target civilians ..