Let’s assume Trump declares victory then leaves

[rightwinger]

Yeah we know, you liked when Obama gave Iran $56,000,000,000 to develop nuclear weapons and ICBMs.

Actually Obama got them to abandon their nuclear weapons program by giving them their own money.

Trump is spending $200 billion on a military action that doesn’t take their nuclear materials and closed the Strait of Hormuz

 

[CrusaderFrank]

our credibility is stronger now than its been in yrs ..

Seriously?

Because we bombed a girls school?

 

[Correll]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

1. Qatar, UAE, others, are still our friends, becasue Iran has shown itself to be a mad dog.


2. It is a whipped dog. Many people faced JUSTICE. The regime is weaker. It has much reduced abilities. It has huge bills. It will face tough budget choices. It's ability to cause harm, is reduced.

 

[jacksonlamb]

You’re an odious anti American scumbag.

And I appreciate your admission. But what you should be doing is less blather and drivel.

I admit you are a war-inspired neo-con, a position most of the GOP despises.

 

[kyzr]

Actually Obama got them to abandon their nuclear weapons program by giving them their own money.

Bullshit. Iran never stopped developing their nuclear program, and giving them $56,000,000,000 of "sanctioned money" supported nuclear terrorism.

Trump is spending $200 billion on a military action that doesn’t take their nuclear materials and closed the Strait of Hormuz

Their nuclear materials are buried thanks to operation Midnight Hammer.
If Iran keeps the strait of Hormuz closed they will be pulverized, we'll soon see how stupid they are.

 

[rightwinger]

Bullshit. Iran never stopped developing their nuclear program, and giving them $56,000,000,000 of "sanctioned money" supported nuclear terrorism.

Their nuclear materials are buried thanks to operation Midnight Hammer.
If Iran keeps the strait of Hormuz closed they will be pulverized, we'll soon see how stupid they are.

International inspectors verified Iran abandoned their stockpiles and dismantled centrifuges . All for $56 billion of their own money.

Trump is spending $200 billion with no verification of remaining nuclear stockpiles and the worlds economy crippled by closing the strait

 

[Rocko]

Actually Obama got them to abandon their nuclear weapons program by giving them their own money.

Trump is spending $200 billion on a military action that doesn’t take their nuclear materials and closed the Strait of Hormuz

The entire Middle East hated the Obama deal. Let’s get real.

 

[kyzr]

International inspectors verified Iran abandoned their stockpiles and dismantled centrifuges . All for $56 billion of their own money.

IRAN is twice the size of TX, international inspectors were a joke. Iran brags they evaded oversight.

Known or Possible Iranian Violations of the JCPOA Fact Sheet - EMET | Endowment for Middle East Truth

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has never certified that Iran is in “compliance” with the deal. Moreover, each quarter since January 2016, the IAEA has reported that it still […]

emetonline.org

Stolen Nuclear Documents Confirm Iran Cheated on the JCPOA - Center for Security Policy

Israel’s revelation in 2018 that Israeli intelligence agents stole a huge cache of documents on...

centerforsecuritypolicy.org

Iran claimed to have enough uranium for 11 nuclear bombs, US envoy Witkoff says

Iranian officials told their US counterparts at crunch talks in Switzerland last week that the Islamic Republic possessed enough enriched material to build 11 nuclear bombs, President Trump’s…

nypost.com

“They were proud of it,” Witkoff went on. “They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

Trump is spending $200 billion with no verification of remaining nuclear stockpiles and the worlds economy crippled by closing the strait

Their nuclear stockpiles and centrifuges were buried by operation midnight hammer.

Why are democrats whining about the price of oil, they declared a war on oil?

As for h $200b, that is what it costs to defang Iran who was weeks away from having nukes and ICBMs.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Who cares?

The Strait of Hormuz is still closed

If you don't know who their leaders are, how do you know that it is an Islamic leadership?

 

[rightwinger]

If you don't know who their leaders are, how do you know that it is an Islamic leadership?

Because they are still there
Regardless, whoever is calling the shots has Trump by the balls

Trump did not get the public uprising he anticipated

 

[Seymour Flops]

Because they are still there

WHO are still there?

Regardless, whoever is calling the shots has Trump by the balls

Since you are repeating yourself, I will also:

The Strait of Hormuz is not the U.S.' balls by any means. That is more wishful thinking.

It isn't even Europe's balls, but they have much more to lose if the strait were to be permanently closed that we do. It won't be, of course, but that is a worst case hypothetical.

Europe has announced that they aren't going to bother about the Strait of Hormuz, so why should we stress about it?

The vestige of resistance in Iran is like a suicide bomber running toward a school. It would make no sense to say, "I'm not going to shoot him, because I'd feel guilty about his death." He's determined to die anyway, so we need only to optimize the timing.

 

[rightwinger]

Europe has announced that they aren't going to bother about the Strait of Hormuz, so why should we stress about it?

Because it was our actions that caused the strait to be closed
If Trump bothered to ask, EU would have advised against it. So would Congress and the American people
Trump gaslights us to say that closing the Strait doesn’t affect America. But we recognize the additional $1.25 at the pump

 

[Mac-7]

Trump put this nation in a no-win situation. If he pulls out and declares victory, Iran will claim victory and they will be stronger than ever as they rebuild; if Trump continues the war, Americans will die for this senseless war and this war will drag on for years. To win this war, it will require at least 500,000 to a 1 million troops. Iran is a nation 1/3 the size of the US with 90 million people. This war was pure idiocy.

The US needs to pull out, let the chips fall where they may and let the rest of the world clean up his mess. US credibility is shot.

The war is not senseless

Iran must be stopped

If not Armageddon could be just around the corner

 

[Zavulon]

The war is not senseless

Iran must be stopped

If not Armageddon could be just around the corner

Or, as they believe, it could be prevented. No Israel, no Third Temple, no antichrist.

 

[Correll]

Because it was our actions that caused the strait to be closed
If Trump bothered to ask, EU would have advised against it. So would Congress and the American people
Trump gaslights us to say that closing the Strait doesn’t affect America. But we recognize the additional $1.25 at the pump

Lefty giving Iran a pass for their actions.

 

[rightwinger]

Lefty giving Iran a pass for their actions.

I am not giving Trump a pass on making the decision to go to war without consulting Congress, the American People or our global allies
All would have advised against it.

This is on Trump

 

[Correll]

I am not giving Trump a pass on making the decision to go to war without consulting Congress, the American People or our global allies
All would have advised against it.

This is on Trump

You are giving Iran a pass for it's breaking of international law and closing the straits.


All lefties do. THey hate America. They love the enemies of America.

 

[rightwinger]

You are giving Iran a pass for it's breaking of international law and closing the straits.


All lefties do. THey hate America. They love the enemies of America.

Iran retaliated against Trumps attacks

If Trump had consulted anyone else, they would have told him what would happen.
Trump did it anyway

 

[Seymour Flops]

Because it was our actions that caused the strait to be closed

No it wasn't. What a bizarre statement.

If Trump bothered to ask, EU would have advised against it.

Yeah, they would "advise" us to just spend more money on their defense.

So would Congress and the American people

No they wouldn't.

Trump gaslights us to say that closing the Strait doesn’t affect America. But we recognize the additional $1.25 at the pump

Mah Gayas!

Yet you thought it was kewl when Biden the autopen deliberately had policies to drive up the cost of gasoline to reduce consumption becasue global warming.

Yes, there is a tempory rise in prices. The market will react by producing more and prices will go back down. Basic stuff.

 

[rightwinger]

No it wasn't. What a bizarre statement.

Whose actions caused it?
It was open for shipping for a hundred years before Trump