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[WinterBorn]

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

Gay foster carers I love every minute of it Life and style The Guardian

Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

You are gay and adopted children?

No. But I saw my 3 children living in a home with 2 lesbians and they grew up fine.

Gay couples do a great job raising kids. If they abuse them, then burn them for pedophilia. But the simple fact that they are gay does not change their ability to provide a loving, supportive home for their adopted kids.

The kids in any home should not see their parents having sex. The rest is the same, whether it is a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.

Great, you are not gay and did not adopt, you responded to my post as if your situation was what I was speaking of when it was not.

I did not speak of Children seeing parents having sex? Why is that an issue that you must address while responding to me?

There are many forms of Abuse, homosexual abuse is not what I spoke of.

Sorry that you automatically feel everything we discuss about Homosexuality and Children is about sex.

If it is not about sex, then there is no difference between a gay couple and a straight couple raising those kids.

I am not wading thru 1100+ posts of vitriolic nonsense to catch up. If you have a reason why gay couples are abusive, other than the fact that they love someone of the same gender, then say it. Otherwise you are just another hater spewing nonsense.

No, I am not gay and my kids were not adopted by a gay couple. But they were largely raised by a gay couple. And at ages 8, 9, and 11, they had no say in my wife and I divorcing. But they had a happy childhood and were well taken care fo, despite any claims anyone else makes.

 

[Syriusly]

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality ie.

No children are being forced into a 'homosexual lifestyle.

Children who have been abandoned are being offered homes that they would not otherwise have.

Why would you object to that?

Because you are a liar .

Feel free to show me where i have lied.

I am advocating for children who have been abandoned and who are available for adoption to have homes.

There are not enough homes for these children- and you want to prevent homosexuals from giving them homes.

 

[WinterBorn]

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality ie.

No children are being forced into a 'homosexual lifestyle.

Children who have been abandoned are being offered homes that they would not otherwise have.

Why would you object to that?

Because you are a liar and have no idea of what you speak of. That you must continuously lie and state "abandoned" to make justify your opinion shows me and everyone else that the facts do not support your opinion.

A child who is too young to understand what Homosexuality is, is literally forced into that lifestyle, that is abuse.

How is it abuse? The kids are not forced into a homosexual relationship any more than they would be forced into a heterosexual relationship if adopted by straight parents.

Exactly what is the abuse?

 

[elektra]

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
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Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

I followed your link, very sloppy work on your part, if you can not even take the time to make sure one of your idiotic links works, how much did you really read, learn and study, beyond a headline or an article.

Broken links show you have poor research skills.

http://www.childcentre.info/12602/

Page not found
The page you are looking for has not been found.

Your second link does not link to the study in which you made your second claim upon. All you need is an article or headline saying its so, and that is good enough for you when the lives of children are at stake?

sad indeed.

 

[WinterBorn]

Exactly what is the abuse that you refer to? I thought you meant sexual abuse, but you seemed offended at that suggestion.

If a gay couple provides a loving, supportive home for the adoptive children, where is the abuse?

 

[Syriusly]

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.
.

It is good when 4 year old children who have been abandoned by their parents are adopted into a family- regardless of whether that family is a single mom or dad, a homosexual couple or a heterosexual couple.

Making assumptions again? It is Child Abuse when you force a 4 year old orphan into a Homosexual lifestyle, that is, a "family" that is homosexual.

No- it is not 'child abuse' to give a home to a child abandoned by his natural parents.

It is child abuse to deny that child a home.

Lets look at the numbers again:





In the U.S. 397,122 children are living without permanent families in the foster care system. 101,666 of these children are eligible for adoption, but nearly 32% of these children will wait over three years in foster care before being adopted.


that is 101,666 children that you think are better off living in foster care for more than 3 years, and maybe aging out of the system- rather than be adopted by a loving family- if the parents are gay.

Now that is child abuse.

 

[elektra]

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality ie.

No children are being forced into a 'homosexual lifestyle.

Children who have been abandoned are being offered homes that they would not otherwise have.

Why would you object to that?

Because you are a liar .

Feel free to show me where i have lied.

I am advocating for children who have been abandoned and who are available for adoption to have homes.

There are not enough homes for these children- and you want to prevent homosexuals from giving them homes.

You continually call children who have lost their parents due to tragedy as abandoned. I do not care if you know the meaning of the word or not, ignorance does not excuse you from misusing the English language, in the context of this subject with the resources of Google on hand to verify some things, your misuse of the word abandoned is a literal lie.

 

[Syriusly]

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
.

Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

I followed your link, very sloppy work on your part, if you can not even take the time to make sure one of your idiotic links works, how much did you really read, learn and study, beyond a headline or an article.
d.

Your technical problems are not my concern

Facts and Statistics

feel free to use Google

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).




Source: IQ of Children Growing Up in Children's Homes A Meta-Analysis on IQ Delays in Orphanages

 

[Syriusly]

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality ie.

No children are being forced into a 'homosexual lifestyle.

Children who have been abandoned are being offered homes that they would not otherwise have.

Why would you object to that?

Because you are a liar .

Feel free to show me where i have lied.

I am advocating for children who have been abandoned and who are available for adoption to have homes.

There are not enough homes for these children- and you want to prevent homosexuals from giving them homes.

You continually call children who have lost their parents due to tragedy as abandoned. I do not care if you know the meaning of the word or not, ignorance does not excuse you from misusing the English language, in the context of this subject with the resources of Google on hand to verify some things, your misuse of the word abandoned is a literal lie.

Oh- so you are only speaking of the extremely small portion of adoptions that involve genuine orphans?

How many orphans are adopted a year?

And no- when I point out that the majority of children who are up for adoption, are children who have been abandoned by their biological parents- that is no lie.

Do you only care about orphans- or do you care about children who are up for adoption for 3 or more years- languishing in foster care waiting for someone to adopt them?

 

[elektra]

Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

You are gay and adopted children?

No. But I saw my 3 children living in a home with 2 lesbians and they grew up fine.

Gay couples do a great job raising kids. If they abuse them, then burn them for pedophilia. But the simple fact that they are gay does not change their ability to provide a loving, supportive home for their adopted kids.

The kids in any home should not see their parents having sex. The rest is the same, whether it is a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.

Great, you are not gay and did not adopt, you responded to my post as if your situation was what I was speaking of when it was not.

I did not speak of Children seeing parents having sex? Why is that an issue that you must address while responding to me?

There are many forms of Abuse, homosexual abuse is not what I spoke of.

Sorry that you automatically feel everything we discuss about Homosexuality and Children is about sex.

If it is not about sex, then there is no difference between a gay couple and a straight couple raising those kids.

I am not wading thru 1100+ posts of vitriolic nonsense to catch up. If you have a reason why gay couples are abusive, other than the fact that they love someone of the same gender, then say it. Otherwise you are just another hater spewing nonsense.

No, I am not gay and my kids were not adopted by a gay couple. But they were largely raised by a gay couple. And at ages 8, 9, and 11, they had no say in my wife and I divorcing. But they had a happy childhood and were well taken care fo, despite any claims anyone else makes.

There is no difference between gay and heterosexual couples? Two Men can teach a child the love of a mother? Two men can teach a boy how a man and woman interact in a relationship, much of what a child learns is through observation

It is nice that your children seem to be okay, but is also sad that they had to suffer through divorce. I am surprised how happy your children are living without you.

 

[Syriusly]

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.

Funny, you, giving me the correct answer, to reply to you.

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

It is obvious you have no clue when it comes to children, or to adoption, or what is best for children.

Your argument comes down to 'homosexuals bad'

 

[elektra]

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
.

Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

I followed your link, very sloppy work on your part, if you can not even take the time to make sure one of your idiotic links works, how much did you really read, learn and study, beyond a headline or an article.
d.

Your technical problems are not my concern

Facts and Statistics

feel free to use Google

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).




Source: IQ of Children Growing Up in Children's Homes A Meta-Analysis on IQ Delays in Orphanages

Your failed link is hardly my technical problem.

The failed link simply shows you are lazy in supporting your claims. Lazy here shows me you never looked beyond your Google search.

I see your understanding is shallow and small, as everyone else can see.

 

[Syriusly]

Yes Kaz, so honorable of you to stay married to your wife when you don't want to. We get it. Big sacrifice on your part to take those tax breaks...that you want to deny gay couples.

LOL, I don't want to pay taxes that I oppose in the first place, I keep saying I think taxes should be flat and marriage irrelevant to the taxes. You don't want to pay taxes that you support. You want to **** single people then get out of those taxes.

And YOU call ME a hypocrite...

Kaz...feel free to work your internet fingers to the bone telling people about the evils of Civil marriage. Actually DO something about your ideals and stand with a sign outside the marriage registrars office "Down with gubmit marriage". Do everything in your powerlessness to get rid of civil marriage and the hundreds of benfits that go with it. We'll still want to marry (Some STR8 would set up a citizens registry I'm sure). We were marrying before we could do it legally and we would do it if you ever managed to pry civil marriage from the fingers of you heterosexuals. Let us know how the campaign goes...you'll know how OUR fight goes.

Begging the question. I told you what I am doing.

Great, keep talking. I'm sure there are dozens of people jumping on that "no civil marriage" bandwagon.

The point is the discriminator is you, you advocate gays discriminate like straights, that isn't equality.

And you are the hypocrite, you want out of the high, progressive taxes you support.

No- it is really you.

You are married and want to deny Seawitch the same benefits you have.

Me- I think she and her spouse should have the same benefits- and responsibilities- as my wife and I enjoy.

You are the one advocating for discrimination on behalf of yourself.

 

[Syriusly]

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
.

Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

I followed your link, very sloppy work on your part, if you can not even take the time to make sure one of your idiotic links works, how much did you really read, learn and study, beyond a headline or an article.
d.

Your technical problems are not my concern

Facts and Statistics

feel free to use Google

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).




Source: IQ of Children Growing Up in Children's Homes A Meta-Analysis on IQ Delays in Orphanages

Your failed link is hardly my technical problem.

The failed link simply shows you are lazy in supporting your claims. Lazy here shows me you never looked beyond your Google search.

I see your understanding is shallow and small, as everyone else can see.

Everyone else can see you have got nothing but your homophobic bigoted claims.

http://www.ccainstitute.org/templates/ccai2011/images/ccai_logo.jpg

I can see why you reject the information from an actual group that is focused on adoption.

Because you would prefer just to pull your claims out of your posterior.

 

[elektra]

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
.

Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

I followed your link, very sloppy work on your part, if you can not even take the time to make sure one of your idiotic links works, how much did you really read, learn and study, beyond a headline or an article.
d.

Your technical problems are not my concern

Facts and Statistics

feel free to use Google

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).




Source: IQ of Children Growing Up in Children's Homes A Meta-Analysis on IQ Delays in Orphanages

Your link makes no mention of Homosexuality and Children, further it references studies of Third World orphanages?

Start a new thread or stay on topic.

 

[Syriusly]

And you assume I do without any knowledge

No, I do because of what you keep telling me to do in my marriage. Or is this yet another overt hypocrisy you practice? I should not assume you act how you tell me to act?

I haven't told you to DO anything other than, instead of asking gays why they want to marry, ask yourself and your civilly married wife.

I'm even wishing you luck in your "battle" to get rid of the marriage benefits you and millions of straights (and a few thousand gays) enjoy. Let us know how it goes.

I'm kinda curious. If kaz wants marriage benefits like lower taxes stripped from all married couples.....why doesn't he just pay the higher taxes that people filing individually would pay?

You don't have to file jointly.

Or why he doesn't get legally divorced?

Right, **** my ho, it's my way or the highway. I believe we covered this ad nauseum. You aren't ready for heterosexual marriage. You put yourself first. I know you have no long term memory, just re-read the last few pages and you will remember until you forget again.

You are a bigot and an idiot.

 

[WinterBorn]

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

You are gay and adopted children?

No. But I saw my 3 children living in a home with 2 lesbians and they grew up fine.

Gay couples do a great job raising kids. If they abuse them, then burn them for pedophilia. But the simple fact that they are gay does not change their ability to provide a loving, supportive home for their adopted kids.

The kids in any home should not see their parents having sex. The rest is the same, whether it is a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.

Great, you are not gay and did not adopt, you responded to my post as if your situation was what I was speaking of when it was not.

I did not speak of Children seeing parents having sex? Why is that an issue that you must address while responding to me?

There are many forms of Abuse, homosexual abuse is not what I spoke of.

Sorry that you automatically feel everything we discuss about Homosexuality and Children is about sex.

If it is not about sex, then there is no difference between a gay couple and a straight couple raising those kids.

I am not wading thru 1100+ posts of vitriolic nonsense to catch up. If you have a reason why gay couples are abusive, other than the fact that they love someone of the same gender, then say it. Otherwise you are just another hater spewing nonsense.

No, I am not gay and my kids were not adopted by a gay couple. But they were largely raised by a gay couple. And at ages 8, 9, and 11, they had no say in my wife and I divorcing. But they had a happy childhood and were well taken care fo, despite any claims anyone else makes.

There is no difference between gay and heterosexual couples? Two Men can teach a child the love of a mother? Two men can teach a boy how a man and woman interact in a relationship, much of what a child learns is through observation

It is nice that your children seem to be okay, but is also sad that they had to suffer through divorce. I am surprised how happy your children are living without you.

They did not live without me. As I said, my work took me all over the country. But I was still a part of their lives.

The children of gay parents still learn from observation. They learn how two people love each other, support each other, and how they create a home together. My mother taught me by doing. Her gender was not relevant.

And they are not raised in a vacuum. They see other people's relationships. But the ones they learn most from is their parents. If they see them interact in a loving, respectful way, the children will learn to love and respect their future spouse.

 

[Syriusly]

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
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Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

I followed your link, very sloppy work on your part, if you can not even take the time to make sure one of your idiotic links works, how much did you really read, learn and study, beyond a headline or an article.
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Your technical problems are not my concern

Facts and Statistics

feel free to use Google

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).




Source: IQ of Children Growing Up in Children's Homes A Meta-Analysis on IQ Delays in Orphanages

Your link makes no mention of Homosexuality and Children, further it references studies of Third World orphanages?

Start a new thread or stay on topic.

LOL.....feel free to present any facts- I have- you havent'

 

[elektra]

LOL, I don't want to pay taxes that I oppose in the first place, I keep saying I think taxes should be flat and marriage irrelevant to the taxes. You don't want to pay taxes that you support. You want to **** single people then get out of those taxes.

And YOU call ME a hypocrite...

Kaz...feel free to work your internet fingers to the bone telling people about the evils of Civil marriage. Actually DO something about your ideals and stand with a sign outside the marriage registrars office "Down with gubmit marriage". Do everything in your powerlessness to get rid of civil marriage and the hundreds of benfits that go with it. We'll still want to marry (Some STR8 would set up a citizens registry I'm sure). We were marrying before we could do it legally and we would do it if you ever managed to pry civil marriage from the fingers of you heterosexuals. Let us know how the campaign goes...you'll know how OUR fight goes.

Begging the question. I told you what I am doing.

Great, keep talking. I'm sure there are dozens of people jumping on that "no civil marriage" bandwagon.

The point is the discriminator is you, you advocate gays discriminate like straights, that isn't equality.

And you are the hypocrite, you want out of the high, progressive taxes you support.

No- it is really you.

You are married and want to deny Seawitch the same benefits you have.

Me- I think she and her spouse should have the same benefits- and responsibilities- as my wife and I enjoy.

You are the one advocating for discrimination on behalf of yourself.

Yet you are advocating and discriminating against Children, by denying them a Mother and Father.

 

[elektra]

You are gay and adopted children?

No. But I saw my 3 children living in a home with 2 lesbians and they grew up fine.

Gay couples do a great job raising kids. If they abuse them, then burn them for pedophilia. But the simple fact that they are gay does not change their ability to provide a loving, supportive home for their adopted kids.

The kids in any home should not see their parents having sex. The rest is the same, whether it is a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.

Great, you are not gay and did not adopt, you responded to my post as if your situation was what I was speaking of when it was not.

I did not speak of Children seeing parents having sex? Why is that an issue that you must address while responding to me?

There are many forms of Abuse, homosexual abuse is not what I spoke of.

Sorry that you automatically feel everything we discuss about Homosexuality and Children is about sex.

If it is not about sex, then there is no difference between a gay couple and a straight couple raising those kids.

I am not wading thru 1100+ posts of vitriolic nonsense to catch up. If you have a reason why gay couples are abusive, other than the fact that they love someone of the same gender, then say it. Otherwise you are just another hater spewing nonsense.

No, I am not gay and my kids were not adopted by a gay couple. But they were largely raised by a gay couple. And at ages 8, 9, and 11, they had no say in my wife and I divorcing. But they had a happy childhood and were well taken care fo, despite any claims anyone else makes.

There is no difference between gay and heterosexual couples? Two Men can teach a child the love of a mother? Two men can teach a boy how a man and woman interact in a relationship, much of what a child learns is through observation

It is nice that your children seem to be okay, but is also sad that they had to suffer through divorce. I am surprised how happy your children are living without you.

They did not live without me. As I said, my work took me all over the country. But I was still a part of their lives.

The children of gay parents still learn from observation. They learn how two people love each other, support each other, and how they create a home together. My mother taught me by doing. Her gender was not relevant.

And they are not raised in a vacuum. They see other people's relationships. But the ones they learn most from is their parents. If they see them interact in a loving, respectful way, the children will learn to love and respect their future spouse.

I thought you said they lived with a Lesbian couple, not you, after your divorce.

Either way, your children still had you, a father. A father does not exist for a Child adopted by two Lesbians. A father does not exist for a child adopted by two Homosexual men.