Let the States Decide- ALA Supreme Court Justice urges Defiance- Gay Marraige

[Contumacious]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.


The Supremacy Clause is the provision in Article Six, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution that establishes the United States Constitution, federal statutes, and treaties as "the supreme law of the land."


The US Constitution, not SCOTUS' pronouncements are the supreme law of the land, nevertheless homosexuals have a NINTH AMENDMENT right to marry.


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The Supreme Court is the body that has jurisdiction over all cases that arise under the constitution. And per the founders, was the body intended to interpret the constitution.

....the courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges as, a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents

Alexander Hamilton
Federalist Paper 78

Seems pretty clear.

....the courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges as, a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents

Alexander Hamilton
Federalist Paper 78


Seems pretty clear.

And the federal judiciary is giving preference to constitutional guarantees over the statute.

Which is what its supposed to do.

As I stated, they are correct this time. A Corrupt judiciary , as well as a broken watch, are correct at times.


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[Skylar]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
------------------------------------------

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.


The Supremacy Clause is the provision in Article Six, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution that establishes the United States Constitution, federal statutes, and treaties as "the supreme law of the land."


The US Constitution, not SCOTUS' pronouncements are the supreme law of the land, nevertheless homosexuals have a NINTH AMENDMENT right to marry.


.

The Supreme Court is the body that has jurisdiction over all cases that arise under the constitution. And per the founders, was the body intended to interpret the constitution.

....the courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges as, a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents

Alexander Hamilton
Federalist Paper 78

Seems pretty clear.

....the courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges as, a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents

Alexander Hamilton
Federalist Paper 78


Seems pretty clear.

And the federal judiciary is giving preference to constitutional guarantees over the statute.

Which is what its supposed to do.

As I stated, they are correct this time. A Corrupt judiciary , as well as a broken watch, are correct at times.


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We're on the same page then. Without a compelling state interest, a very good reason and a legitimate legislative end, rights trump powers. And the States have none of the three in gay marriage bans.

 

[elektra]

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.

Funny, you, giving me the correct answer, to reply to you.

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

 

[Skylar]

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.

Funny, you, giving me the correct answer, to reply to you.

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

 

[elektra]

I
Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.

Funny, you, giving me the correct answer, to reply to you.

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

 

[elektra]

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.
.

It is good when 4 year old children who have been abandoned by their parents are adopted into a family- regardless of whether that family is a single mom or dad, a homosexual couple or a heterosexual couple.

Making assumptions again? It is Child Abuse when you force a 4 year old orphan into a Homosexual lifestyle, that is, a "family" that is homosexual.

 

[elektra]

Yes, Grown adults should stay out of others bedrooms. But that is not the case when you have two homosexual men or women who adopt orphaned children and teach them homosexuality.

Homosexuals are demanding government intervention, it is that simple.

No- its just that your viewpoint is simple and wrong.

Two homosexual men or two homosexual women who step up and adopt children abandoned by the children's natural parents are teaching them how to be good people- not how to be homosexuals.

You apparently would prefer that those children not be adopted, but remain abandoned and without families, to ultimately be abandoned by the system as the age out of the system.
.

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

Yes, Grown adults should stay out of others bedrooms. But that is not the case when you have two homosexual men or women who adopt orphaned children and teach them homosexuality.

Homosexuals are demanding government intervention, it is that simple.

No- its just that your viewpoint is simple and wrong.

Two homosexual men or two homosexual women who step up and adopt children abandoned by the children's natural parents are teaching them how to be good people- not how to be homosexuals.

You apparently would prefer that those children not be adopted, but remain abandoned and without families, to ultimately be abandoned by the system as the age out of the system.
.

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

Gay foster carers I love every minute of it Life and style The Guardian

Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

 

[WinterBorn]

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.

Funny, you, giving me the correct answer, to reply to you.

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

 

[WinterBorn]

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't make it true.

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.
.

It is good when 4 year old children who have been abandoned by their parents are adopted into a family- regardless of whether that family is a single mom or dad, a homosexual couple or a heterosexual couple.

Making assumptions again? It is Child Abuse when you force a 4 year old orphan into a Homosexual lifestyle, that is, a "family" that is homosexual.

Abuse? WTF? If the gay parents provide a stable, loving home for those children, there is nothing abusive about it. My 1st wife and I split up 20 years ago. Our children were raised in a great home. They grew up to be stable, "normal", productive members of society. I was a big part of their lives, but I worked all over the country. They all graduated from high school with honors. They all graduated from college. And they are all in stable, heterosexual relationships.

Where was this "abuse" you refer to?

 

[WinterBorn]

No- its just that your viewpoint is simple and wrong.

Two homosexual men or two homosexual women who step up and adopt children abandoned by the children's natural parents are teaching them how to be good people- not how to be homosexuals.

You apparently would prefer that those children not be adopted, but remain abandoned and without families, to ultimately be abandoned by the system as the age out of the system.
.

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

No- its just that your viewpoint is simple and wrong.

Two homosexual men or two homosexual women who step up and adopt children abandoned by the children's natural parents are teaching them how to be good people- not how to be homosexuals.

You apparently would prefer that those children not be adopted, but remain abandoned and without families, to ultimately be abandoned by the system as the age out of the system.
.

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

Gay foster carers I love every minute of it Life and style The Guardian

Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

 

[elektra]

Yes, when you say its good that 4 year old children are adopted into a homosexual family/lifestyle, that does not make it true.

Funny, you, giving me the correct answer, to reply to you.

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

 

[elektra]

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

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Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

You are gay and adopted children?

 

[WinterBorn]

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

 

[WinterBorn]

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

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Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

You are gay and adopted children?

No. But I saw my 3 children living in a home with 2 lesbians and they grew up fine.

Gay couples do a great job raising kids. If they abuse them, then burn them for pedophilia. But the simple fact that they are gay does not change their ability to provide a loving, supportive home for their adopted kids.

The kids in any home should not see their parents having sex. The rest is the same, whether it is a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.

 

[elektra]

I
Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

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Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

The closest thing to abuse that my children had to deal with was assholes who think they have a say in other people's relationships and closed-minded idiots who think gays cannot raise kids in a loving and stable home. And that was from outside the home. Inside they suffered no abuse whatsoever.

You are gay and adopted children?

No. But I saw my 3 children living in a home with 2 lesbians and they grew up fine.

Gay couples do a great job raising kids. If they abuse them, then burn them for pedophilia. But the simple fact that they are gay does not change their ability to provide a loving, supportive home for their adopted kids.

The kids in any home should not see their parents having sex. The rest is the same, whether it is a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.

Great, you are not gay and did not adopt, you responded to my post as if your situation was what I was speaking of when it was not.

I did not speak of Children seeing parents having sex? Why is that an issue that you must address while responding to me?

There are many forms of Abuse, homosexual abuse is not what I spoke of.

Sorry that you automatically feel everything we discuss about Homosexuality and Children is about sex.

 

[elektra]

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.

If a person is handicapped to the point they can not freely make or express the decision to live in a homosexual lifestyle, it is abuse to force it upon that person.

 

[Syriusly]

It's not just me that says it's good. All the major medical, child welfare and psychological associations say its good too. All of them support marriage equality and adoption by gays and lesbians.

Our children are fine. It's the kids of divorce that are messed up. Worry about them if you must worry about someone else's family at all.

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality ie.

No children are being forced into a 'homosexual lifestyle.

Children who have been abandoned are being offered homes that they would not otherwise have.

Why would you object to that?

 

[Syriusly]

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality is.

How many children will willfully choose 2 homosexual men to raise them as parents over having a man and woman who can actually be a mother and father. That is a question that is ignored and it is really sad.

It is child abuse to force children into a lifestyle they have zero knowledge of, such as a homosexual lifestyle.

How many heterosexual couples are lining up to adopt handicapped children? Most of the time those children grow up in institutions and never have a family. Those gay couples gave them a loving family. I see no problem with that at all.

Are you stating that Homosexual couples are more willing than Heterosexual couples to raise handicapped children?

When you say institutions, you mean places with Doctors, Physical Therapy, Medical Professionals who have dedicated their lives and love to making life better for the most severely handicapped among us.

Either way, children in Orphanages and Institutions suffer less abuse than those adopted.
.

Children in orphanages do worse than children not raised in orphanages



No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."




Source: Childcentre.info (Executive Summary)




Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries).

Facts and Statistics

 

[elektra]

Your children? I doubt you have children, and if so it's obvious you have no clue as to what is best for children.

And like I said, go ahead and link any time you please, like before, it will be fun.

And you base your appraisal of Sea Witch's kids on what?

So far, there's a trenemdous amount of persona shit slinging backed by essentially dick. I take it the topic of the thread isn't going so well for you guys.

I made no "appraisal" of seawitch's children, are you that demented that you must make stuff up?

Here we have it, it is not "sklar", it is "skLIAR". All they can do is lie or is it that they are not smart enough to comprehend what they read. Either way we can see that some people should not be allowed to speak for children, people who are "sky high liar's".

thanks, SkLIAR!

I have 3 children with my 1st wife. She has been with a woman for 20 years. The children are adults now, but were 8, 9, and 11 when we divorced. They grew up happy, well-adjusted and are stable, productive members of society.

They are thrilled that their Mom (living in Alabama) can finally marry her partner. I am happy for them too. In fact, I have been asked to walk my ex-wife down the aisle when they marry later this year.

There is no rational, constitutional reason these two women should not be able to enjoy the same benefits that married couples enjoy.

So, I have made zero comments regarding your situation. That is much different than forcing children who are Orphans into a homosexual lifestyle before they even understand what homosexuality ie.

No children are being forced into a 'homosexual lifestyle.

Children who have been abandoned are being offered homes that they would not otherwise have.

Why would you object to that?

Because you are a liar and have no idea of what you speak of. That you must continuously lie and state "abandoned" to make justify your opinion shows me and everyone else that the facts do not support your opinion.

A child who is too young to understand what Homosexuality is, is literally forced into that lifestyle, that is abuse.

 

[Syriusly]

No- its just that your viewpoint is simple and wrong.

Two homosexual men or two homosexual women who step up and adopt children abandoned by the children's natural parents are teaching them how to be good people- not how to be homosexuals.

You apparently would prefer that those children not be adopted, but remain abandoned and without families, to ultimately be abandoned by the system as the age out of the system.
.

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

I

No- its just that your viewpoint is simple and wrong.

Two homosexual men or two homosexual women who step up and adopt children abandoned by the children's natural parents are teaching them how to be good people- not how to be homosexuals.

You apparently would prefer that those children not be adopted, but remain abandoned and without families, to ultimately be abandoned by the system as the age out of the system.
.

You lost your argument, you just made it personal and about your beliefs.

You are describing the children as abandoned, why would you bring your personal feelings into this discussion while attempting to portray all orphaned children as abandoned. The simple answer is that facts do not support your feelings on this topic.

Yes, when you describe children in Orphanages as abandoned, and reiterate that theme throughout your post, it simply shows you have zero understanding of what happens in people's lives.

You should excuse your assumptions and emotions from this discussion, it does not help your argument at all.

Since gays have been adopting kids for decades and having their own, you don't actually have an argument. The simple fact is our children are fine and if you're really that worried about gays adopting your kids, you'd make alternate arrangements.

Yes, homosexual men have been adopting 4 year old boys, for years as you say, teaching them the homosexual lifestyle. I call that abuse.

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

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Wow, these unfortunate children obviously were in no condition to object to what you forced upon them.

Child Abuse, nothing more.

Child abuse?

Children whose own parents abandoned them- and then were raised by loving parents- you call that 'child abuse'

How blind your hatred for homosexuals makes you- how willing you are to make children suffer just because you are against homosexuals

Once again- here is what you call 'abuse'- not the parents that abandoned them- the parents that took them in

Yes- I can see why you would object to homosexual men adopting these boys abandoned by their parents

They first fostered 18 years ago. Then, the idea of two men adopting a child was uncommon, which is partly what led them to foster when, due to Andrew's experience with children with special needs, they were asked if they would look after a boy with severe disabilities. "He wasn't expected to live to his first birthday, although he eventually lived until he was seven and a half," says Andrew.

The death of a child will always be traumatic, but Andrew and David felt compelled to continue.

"He'd taught us so much and we'd developed so many skills … we thought, we can't just leave it. We've got to do something with this knowledge. That's when we decided to carry on fostering children with profound disabilities and terminal conditions."


The couple contacted Credo Care, an organisation that specialises in disability foster placements. Shortly after, Armand arrived.

"He arrived in March, 10 years ago," explains David. Born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, six-year-old Armand had lived in hospital for most of his short life. A wheelchair user, he has severe learning disabilities, a tracheotomy and is fed through a Peg [percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy].

"He came to us when he was six and was the first one to arrive. Four months later, we had an emergency phone call, asking us if we'd take a boy from Derby. Luke arrived that afternoon. He was 12 and had Duchenne muscular dystrophy. In those days he could shuffle around, but now, he's totally … well, the disease has got hold of his body. He's 22 now. He's a great lad, he really is. He's brilliant."

A couple of months after Luke joined the household, the couple were asked to take Steven, who was five and had cerebral palsy and learning difficulties. They have looked after the three boys ever since. Two years ago, they adopted a little girl. Sadly, she wasn't well and didn't live long.

"We had 17 wonderful months," says David. "She was three when she died. It was just 10 days after the adoption was completed, and it was very sudden, so … we haven't gone down that road again," he adds, choosing his words carefully to describe what must have been a devastating experience.

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