Lessons the country needs to learn from the 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic.

[WEATHER53]

Liberals think that working and providing for yourself and family with no government assistance is not important because so few do it. A good ole fashion panic is better than work anytime!

 

[Ame®icano]

Finally getting some numbers on tests performed that resulted in positive results vs negative. Finally a benchmark for this one onto itself
That number in USA is looking like 2% infected. That’s 7 million.
Of that 20% or 1.4 million become severe or critical, likely hospitalized, and of that 1.2-1.5 percent dIe or 17-21,000. That’s a sobering loss of life but we go through those sort of numbers each and every year with flus, pnemonia and other debilitations so it’s time to end this bizarre experiment

Show me your benchmark please? For one I highly doubt that you calculate a mortality rate by calculating 1.2 percent on the infected who end up hospitalized.

Surgeon General tweet earlier in the week reported a 10% infection rate among a larger swath of sampling, all either symptomatic or having been potentially exposed. With a mortality rate at 1.35%, the factor of ten drops that to .135% or roughly the same as flu. With fewer overall infections.

Fewer overall infections? Wouldn't the number of infections need to be higher to come to a lower mortality rate? Thanks for the info though. I'dd like the see how large a base sample was taken. Not your job of course. It's encouraging and falls in line with some numbers out of Italy when they took systematic samples.

On the other hand, I've never seen the common flu cause this many hospitalizations and symptoms this severe. So I'm still rather skeptical.

The rate would be per testing and even lower per capita.
I don’t know that we’re seeing an increase in hospitalizations due to Wuhan. Just a lot of talk and speculation.

U.S. has most coronavirus cases in world, next wave aimed at Louisiana Doesn't seem all that speculative. If you want I can show video of the state of hospitals in Italy and recently NY. Unless you think it's normal to treat people in hallways I think it's pretty undeniable.

In areas that have single payer healthcare having people treated in the hallway is pretty normal.

Oh really you think so? Italy has more hospital beds per capita more doctors per capita and more ventilators per capita.

Number of beds per capita doesn't give you whole picture of country's health care system. Effectiveness is.

For instance, do you have information how many CT and MRI per capita they have comparing to us? US - 38 per million, Italy - 25 per million.

Do you have info about waiting time to see specialist or surgery comparing to us? Let me give you an idea... LINK

I actually never seen our hospitals at 100% of their bed capacities used. Efficiency is a key.

 

[Ame®icano]

I believe we should do our best to learn from history. In 1918, when America went through the H1N1 influenza pandemic, which killed almost 700,000 U.S. citizens, many of whom were healthy males in their 20s and 30s, unemployment actually dropped to 1.4% and the stock market did not plummet. This is because the country kept working. In fact, the massive number of deaths among the young to middle aged men in the country actually created a labor shortage. The nation didn't simply wallow in misery and do nothing. The nation adapted and overcame. One vital aspect to our survival in such a troubling time was when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Child Labor laws to be unconstitutional in June of 1918. This created an influx of labor and also put food on the table for many families. Our course of action not only forced the country to build herd immunity, it also helped build work ethic in young children and helped America become the most productive country in the world. It was the foundation of the "Roaring 20s" and the greatest stock market boom in history.

In short, we need to keep businesses open, close schools early for the year, suspend child labor laws, and get the entire nation back to work.

You're COMPLETELY omitting the fact that the USG blatantly lied about the epidemic, SUPPRESSED news of it and set up situations for those 700,000 to DIE.

THAT's why there wasn't a shutdown. THE PEOPLE WEREN'T TOLD ABOUT IT. They were just left to suffer.

Matter of fact it's erroneously called the "Spanish Flu" even though Spain had nothing to do with spawning it -- actually most likely came from Kansas.

HOW COME you uh... "forgot" (wink wink, yeah right) to mention any of that? Hm?

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.” - Reagan

Of course, you get your knowledge from Wikipedia, site that is useful but also ideologically motivated.

I know it would make you happy to claim that, just as you're happy that US have most coronavirus cases, but no, Spanish flu did not originated in Kansas.

The first outbreak of respiratory disease recorded with strings of flu was in 1917 in China. There are records of thousands Chinese laborers brought thru Canada to Europe to work behind British and French lines in WWI.