Lawsuit: Michigan teacher tried to force Palestinian American student to stand for Pledge

[TemplarKormac]

“Since you live in this country and enjoy its freedom, if you don’t like it, you should go back to your country.”

That's about the long and short of it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It can't get better.

Then keep that eurocentrist nonsense to yourself. There's a reason you're here in America and not there, right? It betrays your praise of European values.

 

[JoeB131]

Don't preach to me, you erratic creature.

Swearing allegiance is a form of showing appreciation for the rights and privileges you've been given. If you can't swear allegiance, you don't appreciate what you were given.

When I was sixteen, I showed a similar lack of appreciation while living in my Dad's house and he kicked me the f**k out. The government isn't supposed to be above us, but it does control us. We live at its mercy when the laws are just. Being forced to swear allegiance is a small price to pay for your freedom. There are brave men and women in the armed forces who spill blood and sacrifice their well-being on our behalf so that we may keep it.

Say the pledge, ingrate.

Um, that sounds like a terrible way to deal with an unruly teenager. Probably illegal as well.

But not really comparable. This child's first loyalty should be to his family, not his school making him take a pledge to a country that is aiding in the murder of people like him.

This isn't North Korea, and patriotism, while nice, isn't mandatory.

 

[the watcher]

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I knew you'd find the comparative lack of freedom in the land of the free to be amusing, especially since Americans never shut up about it.

Everyone else finds it pretty funny, too.

The land of the free is trying to become the land of the frees stuff and of course, NOTHING is free, we pay for it with servitude and compliance.

 

[cnm]

I appreciate your understanding. But I am of the mind that speech isn't supremely infinite. The behavior of this student shows why it shouldn't be. You can express yourself in any other way, but this, in my mind, is unacceptable. Oh well, I'm getting heated up here and I would care not to take it out on you. You're one of the good ones.

You want to demonstrate how free is the USA by coercion. We get it.

 

[cnm]

The land of the free is trying to become the land of the frees stuff and of course, NOTHING is free, we pay for it with servitude and compliance.

An extremely American point of view, where consumption is a public good.

 

[TemplarKormac]

While some might be happy living on the government dole like you do, there's no evidence that the parents of this child are anything but hard-working people who pay their taxes.

They shouldn't be required to pledge allegiance to a flag of a country that is complicit in the murder of their families.

Yikes. All you do is spew invective.

This child does not understand the difference between the oppression his people inflict upon the innocent there and the freedoms we have here.

You know what, Joe, book a flight to Gaza. Go live there. Go live among the people you praise and defend. Go on, git, you Greta Thunberg wannabe.

 

[SweetSue92]

You are pushing the scenario that teachers are up there saying something like,

"trans people should have their pronouns respected" and leaving it at that.


When we know that they are using their power to punish or destroy anyone that doesn't conform.


That is not equal to this teacher saying "Should".

To be equal or balanced, the teacher should have expelled the kid right there, and trashed talked him in his perment record to ruin his life.

That's exactly what the teacher did here. Use her POWER to punish or destroy anyone who doesn't conform.

I'm against it in any case. Just teach the subject you're paid to teach. Period, end of sentence.

 

[cnm]

This child does not understand the difference between the oppression his people inflict upon the innocent there and the freedoms we have here.

Like his behaviour not being coerced, that freedom?

 

[cnm]

You know what, Joe, book a flight to Gaza. Go live there. Go live among the people you praise and defend. Go on, git, you Greta Thunberg wannabe.

The Israelis would just bomb, shell or machine gun him. That's not very nice of you.

 

[Correll]

That's exactly what the teacher did here. Use her POWER to punish or destroy anyone who doesn't conform.

I'm against it in any case. Just teach the subject you're paid to teach. Period, end of sentence.

How so? What kind of punishment or destruction was visited on the child for his refusal?

 

[JoeB131]

I'll put it this way. My ancestors didn't fight and die so that someone could disrespect all hair sacrifices gave them. If people could make a pledge that great with their life, the least that kid can do is stand and swear allegiance.

You don't know how much that angers me.

I thought they were fighting for freedom. At least that's what my dad thought when he fought in WWII. It's what I thought I was doing when I served during the 80s and 90s. (Then I realized we were fighting for the Jews and the Oil Companies, and had the good sense to not re-enlist.)

A fanatic is one who redoubles his efforts while losing sight of his goal - George Santayana.

Free speech is beside the point. I was taught that you respect the people who freely give you the treasure. You don't show such blatant disrespect. You may as well be one of those Mexican flag waving thugs who were rioting in LA.

Such ingratitude makes my blood boil.

Um, guy, there's no point in saying a pledge to "Freedom" when your freedom is slowly being taken away.

If you want to live in a place where they have mandetory patriotism, move to North Korea.

 

[cnm]

I thought they were fighting for freedom.

If they were anything like my father, they were fighting because everyone else was.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This isn't North Korea, and patriotism, while nice, isn't mandatory.

Then, we should dispense with laws concerning treason.

Treason is the act of betraying your allegiance to your country.

See where this is going? So, kindly, don't preach to me.

 

[SweetSue92]

How so? What kind of punishment or destruction was visited on the child for his refusal?

Let's try something out. The teacher is a crazed Leftist with a pride flag in her room, and wants her students to stand and pledge to the pride flag.

Student refuses.

Then the teacher admonishes him and "forces" him to stand and recite the pledge. And tells him if you don't like it, maybe you should XYZ.

You would hate that, right? I would and I do.

I also do not endorse teachers forcing kids to do things OUTSIDE OF ACADEMICS, which is both scenarios.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I thought they were fighting for freedom. At least that's what my dad thought when he fought in WWII. It's what I thought I was doing when I served during the 80s and 90s. (Then I realized we were fighting for the Jews and the Oil Companies, and had the good sense to not re-enlist.)

A fanatic is one who redoubles his efforts while losing sight of his goal - George Santayana.

Oh brother, you're the last person who can quote to me. You are about as duplicitous as they come.

If you aren't going to say anything constructive, please, be silent.

 

[the watcher]

At least he would be getting something for all the taxes he paid here.

The Israelis would just bomb, shell or machine gun him. That's no

 

[TemplarKormac]

Says the guy who has never had a real job and doesn't pay taxes.

Yeah, do you say that when you have no argument? That's quite the pattern.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Israelis would just bomb, shell or machine gun him. That's not very nice of you.

Precisely, so this child should appreciate his freedom enough not to be such a spoiled brat, stand and pledge!

 

[initforme]

This isnt the only kid who doesnt stand for the pledge unfortunately. Teachers dont speak up because they can quickly be fired over this. So they dont say a thing. The job is stressful enough without crossing those lines.