Law abiding black man uses legal gun to defend himself from five white racists who tried to kill him

[Drop Dead Fred]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

 

[buttercup]

I know people from my hometown that jumped on the BLM bandwagon, until I showed them what BLM believes in and some of the shit they pull? Once they find out they're racists and communists, people I know usually re-evaluate their opinions.

Oh. So you have some anecdotal data from a few idiots you know.

That's great. Thank you so much for sharing.

There are plenty of awake people who don't support BLM. But not for the reasons you ignorantly assume. But because awake people know it's not a grassroots organization, it's funded by some very powerful wealthy people with ulterior agendas that have nothing to do with helping Black people.

This rapper, for example:

(skip ahead to 3:30)

 

[White 6]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

 

[Drop Dead Fred]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The people who despise BLM are likely conservatives.

Yes.

And here are some examples:

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "likely"?

Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement

As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

 

[White 6]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I know people from my hometown that jumped on the BLM bandwagon, until I showed them what BLM believes in and some of the shit they pull? Once they find out they're racists and communists, people I know usually re-evaluate their opinions.

Oh. So you have some anecdotal data from a few idiots you know.

That's great. Thank you so much for sharing.

There are plenty of awake people who don't support BLM. But not for the reasons you ignorantly assume. But because awake people know it's not a grassroots organization, it's funded by some very powerful wealthy people with ulterior agendas that have nothing to do with helping Black people.

This rapper, for example:

(skip ahead to 3:30)

The plenty people who don't support BLM are almost always conservatives. Like you. That was the point.

The racists in the OP article stated that they didn't like BLM and that was a dead-giveaway that they were almost certainly conservatives.

Article: "McCray said they threatened him and returned with three more people, attacking him physically, saying “they don’t give a darn” about “my black life and the Black Lives Matter stuff,” and telling him they would “kill” him."

Don't like BLM = conservative. Almost guaranteed.

You, Ray, Mudwhistle all fit that same narrative. And so does the data I provided.

Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement

As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I know people from my hometown that jumped on the BLM bandwagon, until I showed them what BLM believes in and some of the shit they pull? Once they find out they're racists and communists, people I know usually re-evaluate their opinions.

Oh. So you have some anecdotal data from a few idiots you know.

That's great. Thank you so much for sharing.

There are plenty of awake people who don't support BLM. But not for the reasons you ignorantly assume. But because awake people know it's not a grassroots organization, it's funded by some very powerful wealthy people with ulterior agendas that have nothing to do with helping Black people.

This rapper, for example:

(skip ahead to 3:30)

The plenty people who don't support BLM are almost always conservatives. Like you. That was the point.

The racists in the OP article stated that they didn't like BLM and that was a dead-giveaway that they were almost certainly conservatives.

Article: "McCray said they threatened him and returned with three more people, attacking him physically, saying “they don’t give a darn” about “my black life and the Black Lives Matter stuff,” and telling him they would “kill” him."

Don't like BLM = conservative. Almost guaranteed.

You, Ray, Mudwhistle all fit that same narrative. And so does the data I provided.

Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement

As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

Yes, you may have a point here. If you hate BLM, it's likely you are a conservative. If you hate cops, it's likely you're a liberal.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Yes, you may have a point here. If you hate BLM, it's likely you are a conservative. If you hate cops, it's likely you're a liberal.

Excellent. You finally got it. That's EXACTLY what the data says too.

These 5 people who you guys called white trash, are white trash conservatives. Like I said from the beginning.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray From Cleveland

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This is what one of them posted on social media. Yea, they sure are non-political.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement

As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

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I went to your Slayer link. His cover photo was with him and several black people, which I'm assuming is part of his family since there was a white woman holding a Mulatto baby. I scrolled back to 2016, and nowhere did I see the Ted Nugent post.

December 2015.

Okay, so he posted a picture over 4 and a half years ago with Ted Nugent. All that really proves is he's pro-gun. A Republican? Probably, but not certain. Even if he was, what about the others?

It says he likes pissing off liberals.

White trash conservatives. Like I said from the beginning.

You only gave one example out of five people. Politics really has no part of this story or topic.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

A conundrum for the left that's for sure. White people attacking a religious Black man who protected himself with a gun.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Ray From Cleveland

View attachment 352309

This is what one of them posted on social media. Yea, they sure are non-political.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement

As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

Donny Richard Salyers

Donny Richard Salyers is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Donny Richard Salyers and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected.

www.facebook.com

I went to your Slayer link. His cover photo was with him and several black people, which I'm assuming is part of his family since there was a white woman holding a Mulatto baby. I scrolled back to 2016, and nowhere did I see the Ted Nugent post.

December 2015.

Okay, so he posted a picture over 4 and a half years ago with Ted Nugent. All that really proves is he's pro-gun. A Republican? Probably, but not certain. Even if he was, what about the others?

It says he likes pissing off liberals.

White trash conservatives. Like I said from the beginning.

You only gave one example out of five people. Politics really has no part of this story or topic.

Article: "McCray said they threatened him and returned with three more people, attacking him physically, saying “they don’t give a darn” about “my black life and the Black Lives Matter stuff,” and telling him they would “kill” him."

They expressed that they don't like BLM. They're likely conservatives.

 

[White 6]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

Not saying I wouldn't pull and hold at my side and that can be considered brandishing also. Just saying there are brandishing laws. They are one of the most common weapons charges, and one that vary well may require bail and a lawyer to get past, and one that could lose you your carry permit if you do not. Must be in the back of your mind if you have one out in public, even on your own property, but must not let it interfere in you actions of judicious self defense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

Not saying I wouldn't pull and hold at my side and that can be considered brandishing also. Just saying there are brandishing laws. They are one of the most common weapons charges, and one that vary well may require bail and a lawyer to get past, and one that could lose you your carry permit if you do not. Must be in the back of your mind if you have one out in public, even on your own property, but must not let it interfere in you actions of judicious self defense.

If brandishing a firearm is a "common" infraction, then I'd ask to see where you got that information from. CCW holders are rated the most law abiding people in the country, even more than police on a national level. IF this Pastor was accosted and used his weapon to deter a possible attack, then there was no legal reason for the deputies to arrest him. It's a false arrest, and the department and county can be held liable for the actions in a civil suit.

 

[White 6]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

Not saying I wouldn't pull and hold at my side and that can be considered brandishing also. Just saying there are brandishing laws. They are one of the most common weapons charges, and one that vary well may require bail and a lawyer to get past, and one that could lose you your carry permit if you do not. Must be in the back of your mind if you have one out in public, even on your own property, but must not let it interfere in you actions of judicious self defense.

If brandishing a firearm is a "common" infraction, then I'd ask to see where you got that information from. CCW holders are rated the most law abiding people in the country, even more than police on a national level. IF this Pastor was accosted and used his weapon to deter a possible attack, then there was no legal reason for the deputies to arrest him. It's a false arrest, and the department and county can be held liable for the actions in a civil suit.

CCW holder usually use good judgement and usually get off. I lean toward the class I was trained in and the warnings of the professional instructors on youtube and have seen the charge in the papers here in TN. But, I am also the type if stopped even for a traffic stop to hand the office my drivers license, weapon license, and Officer's ID all at the same time. You just read one where the preacher was charged and the chief said he would talk to the prosecutor about dropping the weapon charge. It is a real thing, black or white. Intelligent people who carry, carry knowing they may at some time have to spend money, time and inconvenience (to say the least) to "prove" they are in the right, just because other citizens think or tell the authorities they are in the wrong. Take them all downtown and let a judge sort it out is a real deal.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

Not saying I wouldn't pull and hold at my side and that can be considered brandishing also. Just saying there are brandishing laws. They are one of the most common weapons charges, and one that vary well may require bail and a lawyer to get past, and one that could lose you your carry permit if you do not. Must be in the back of your mind if you have one out in public, even on your own property, but must not let it interfere in you actions of judicious self defense.

If brandishing a firearm is a "common" infraction, then I'd ask to see where you got that information from. CCW holders are rated the most law abiding people in the country, even more than police on a national level. IF this Pastor was accosted and used his weapon to deter a possible attack, then there was no legal reason for the deputies to arrest him. It's a false arrest, and the department and county can be held liable for the actions in a civil suit.

CCW holder usually use good judgement and usually get off. I lean toward the class I was trained in and the warnings of the professional instructors on youtube and have seen the charge in the papers here in TN. But, I am also the type if stopped even for a traffic stop to hand the office my drivers license, weapon license, and Officer's ID all at the same time. You just read one where the preacher was charged and the chief said he would talk to the prosecutor about dropping the weapon charge. It is a real thing, black or white. Intelligent people who carry, carry knowing they may at some time have to spend money, time and inconvenience (to say the least) to "prove" they are in the right, just because other citizens think or tell the authorities they are in the wrong. Take them all downtown and let a judge sort it out is a real deal.

My point is I really don't think that if this person is on the level, the police wouldn't have arrested him. I think there is something left out of this story to sensationalize it, especially given the current environment in regards to race. The media makes big bucks by influencing these protests and riots, and even better yet if it spreads across the US as this past one has.

Can you be hauled away for questioning? Perhaps, but that's all it would be. To bring charges, they would have to have legitimate evidence that you broke a law. The only real expense in using deadly force is a possible civil suit against you by the criminal or his family if you killed him. Unfortunately, there is no law here in Ohio prohibiting that.

 

[colfax_m]

I know people from my hometown that jumped on the BLM bandwagon, until I showed them what BLM believes in and some of the shit they pull? Once they find out they're racists and communists, people I know usually re-evaluate their opinions.

Oh. So you have some anecdotal data from a few idiots you know.

That's great. Thank you so much for sharing.

There are plenty of awake people who don't support BLM. But not for the reasons you ignorantly assume. But because awake people know it's not a grassroots organization, it's funded by some very powerful wealthy people with ulterior agendas that have nothing to do with helping Black people.

This rapper, for example:

(skip ahead to 3:30)

The plenty people who don't support BLM are almost always conservatives. Like you. That was the point.

The racists in the OP article stated that they didn't like BLM and that was a dead-giveaway that they were almost certainly conservatives.

Article: "McCray said they threatened him and returned with three more people, attacking him physically, saying “they don’t give a darn” about “my black life and the Black Lives Matter stuff,” and telling him they would “kill” him."

Don't like BLM = conservative. Almost guaranteed.

You, Ray, Mudwhistle all fit that same narrative. And so does the data I provided.

Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement

As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

Yes, you may have a point here. If you hate BLM, it's likely you are a conservative. If you hate cops, it's likely you're a liberal.

If you hate the FBI?

 

[White 6]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

Not saying I wouldn't pull and hold at my side and that can be considered brandishing also. Just saying there are brandishing laws. They are one of the most common weapons charges, and one that vary well may require bail and a lawyer to get past, and one that could lose you your carry permit if you do not. Must be in the back of your mind if you have one out in public, even on your own property, but must not let it interfere in you actions of judicious self defense.

If brandishing a firearm is a "common" infraction, then I'd ask to see where you got that information from. CCW holders are rated the most law abiding people in the country, even more than police on a national level. IF this Pastor was accosted and used his weapon to deter a possible attack, then there was no legal reason for the deputies to arrest him. It's a false arrest, and the department and county can be held liable for the actions in a civil suit.

CCW holder usually use good judgement and usually get off. I lean toward the class I was trained in and the warnings of the professional instructors on youtube and have seen the charge in the papers here in TN. But, I am also the type if stopped even for a traffic stop to hand the office my drivers license, weapon license, and Officer's ID all at the same time. You just read one where the preacher was charged and the chief said he would talk to the prosecutor about dropping the weapon charge. It is a real thing, black or white. Intelligent people who carry, carry knowing they may at some time have to spend money, time and inconvenience (to say the least) to "prove" they are in the right, just because other citizens think or tell the authorities they are in the wrong. Take them all downtown and let a judge sort it out is a real deal.

My point is I really don't think that if this person is on the level, the police wouldn't have arrested him. I think there is something left out of this story to sensationalize it, especially given the current environment in regards to race. The media makes big bucks by influencing these protests and riots, and even better yet if it spreads across the US as this past one has.

Can you be hauled away for questioning? Perhaps, but that's all it would be. To bring charges, they would have to have legitimate evidence that you broke a law. The only real expense in using deadly force is a possible civil suit against you by the criminal or his family if you killed him. Unfortunately, there is no law here in Ohio prohibiting that.

There is no law anywhere prohibiting it, that I am aware of. I and maybe even you, grew up being told that if you are in the right, the authorities and society will be on your side and it will work out. To an extent, this is true, but not always. People in the right have gone to jail, just like people who have not harmed society have been shot. Being in the right and having the money and where with all to quickly have good professionals on you side before you say something that seems innocent that gets you into trouble is just the same proper planning as you should be conducting the rest of your life. Talking to police when you have had to draw you weapon is no place to voice your righteous indignation. My guy says answer their questions, saying the least you can without looking like a jerk, and call him as soon as possible. Pretty much what you will hear from any other legal professional. You may carry your weapon strictly because of "what if", but you should have your lawyers card in you wallet for exactly the same reason. If something comes up, it is not the time for relationship building. It is time to call somebody that gives a damn about you already. For my self one is a former muli-time client of mine and another card is a former JAG Ofiicer, I worked and drank with, now a judge. That said, don't flaunt who you know.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm very confused by the actions of the police in this case. He called 911. He was on his own property. 5 people were unlawfully trying to put a fridge in his dumpster. They threatened him. He had a legal permit for the gun.

What part of this story, involves the pastor being arrested?

What was going through their minds when they decided to do this?

I'd like to know what those cops were thinking.

I don't know why they arrested him. It would have been good if the writer of the article had looked more into that, and written about it.

They were thinking about an old man brandishing a weapon with a bunch of rednecks speaking louder at the time. Black or white, when the cops show up, you do not want to be the one waving a gun. Usually enough to pull your shirt up and put your hand on it, to dissuade most unarmed attackers. The thrust was that when it was found the ones saying he was brandishing a weapon were proved to be the criminals the story changed and possible hate crime charges considered by the authorities added to other charges against the red necks. How did you miss it? No familiarity with weapons laws? Or is it just your bias?

The weapons laws are different in each jurisdiction. My bias in this story is in favor of the law abiding gun owner.

I favor the gun owner also, but that is a common weapons law in probably a majority of jurisdictions. It keeps people from loosely using their gun to threaten people. That is why he was arrested. If you pull you weapon whether you shoot it or not, there is a good chance you are going downtown if the cops have to come. That is why (if you are smart) and a weapons carrier, you carry insurance and your lawyers phone number in your wallet, and are conservative with your use if at all possible.

I think there's a vast difference between pulling your weapon to scare people, and pulling it to show you're prepared to use deadly force against an attack or threatened attack.

My HUD neighbors are once again having one of their loud outdoor parties. It's 10:15 pm. Now if I go in front of them with an AK and tell them to shut up, or I'll shut them up permanently, that's a criminal offense. If they know I called the cops and come to my property with threats of violence or death and I pull my gun, that's justified brandishing of a firearm.

Now the reason I say there is something missing in this story is because I am skeptical that it happened the way reported. It could be that the Pastor accosted them with his firearm when they were throwing the fridge in his dumpster. That's not going to fly. But if they approached him after dumping it as the story is reported, that's not a criminal offense. That's self-defense.

Not saying I wouldn't pull and hold at my side and that can be considered brandishing also. Just saying there are brandishing laws. They are one of the most common weapons charges, and one that vary well may require bail and a lawyer to get past, and one that could lose you your carry permit if you do not. Must be in the back of your mind if you have one out in public, even on your own property, but must not let it interfere in you actions of judicious self defense.

If brandishing a firearm is a "common" infraction, then I'd ask to see where you got that information from. CCW holders are rated the most law abiding people in the country, even more than police on a national level. IF this Pastor was accosted and used his weapon to deter a possible attack, then there was no legal reason for the deputies to arrest him. It's a false arrest, and the department and county can be held liable for the actions in a civil suit.

CCW holder usually use good judgement and usually get off. I lean toward the class I was trained in and the warnings of the professional instructors on youtube and have seen the charge in the papers here in TN. But, I am also the type if stopped even for a traffic stop to hand the office my drivers license, weapon license, and Officer's ID all at the same time. You just read one where the preacher was charged and the chief said he would talk to the prosecutor about dropping the weapon charge. It is a real thing, black or white. Intelligent people who carry, carry knowing they may at some time have to spend money, time and inconvenience (to say the least) to "prove" they are in the right, just because other citizens think or tell the authorities they are in the wrong. Take them all downtown and let a judge sort it out is a real deal.

My point is I really don't think that if this person is on the level, the police wouldn't have arrested him. I think there is something left out of this story to sensationalize it, especially given the current environment in regards to race. The media makes big bucks by influencing these protests and riots, and even better yet if it spreads across the US as this past one has.

Can you be hauled away for questioning? Perhaps, but that's all it would be. To bring charges, they would have to have legitimate evidence that you broke a law. The only real expense in using deadly force is a possible civil suit against you by the criminal or his family if you killed him. Unfortunately, there is no law here in Ohio prohibiting that.

There is no law anywhere prohibiting it, that I am aware of. I and maybe even you, grew up being told that if you are in the right, the authorities and society will be on your side and it will work out. To an extent, this is true, but not always. People in the right have gone to jail, just like people who have not harmed society have been shot. Being in the right and having the money and where with all to quickly have good professionals on you side before you say something that seems innocent that gets you into trouble is just the same proper planning as you should be conducting the rest of your life. Talking to police when you have had to draw you weapon is no place to voice your righteous indignation. My guy says answer their questions, saying the least you can without looking like a jerk, and call him as soon as possible. Pretty much what you will hear from any other legal professional. You may carry your weapon strictly because of "what if", but you should have your lawyers card in you wallet for exactly the same reason. If something comes up, it is not the time for relationship building. It is time to call somebody that gives a damn about you already. For my self one is a former muli-time client of mine and another card is a former JAG Ofiicer, I worked and drank with, now a judge. That said, don't flaunt who you know.

I don't have a lawyer because I never needed one outside of small claims court. If I do end up in some sort of trouble, I will hire the best in that particular field that I can afford.

Years ago when I finally earned my black belt, I asked my instructor what would happen if I used a deadly move on an attacker, or otherwise killed him with a succession of moves? He told me to say nothing except I defended myself from the attacker, disabled him from further attack, and went no further.

There is a difference between self-defense and a felony. If I'm in a bar or something and somebody attacks, I'm allowed to defend myself from that attack. When the police arrive, the witnesses can testify to that. But if the cops come, and they see me beating an unconscious guys head into the corner of the bar, I will be arrested for felonious assault, and of course financially liable for all injuries I caused.