Latino Trump? Protests in Peru After President Dissolves Congress, calls for legislative elections to draft new constitution hours before impeachment

[basquebromance]

No, he didn't.

Guess what? the new President of Peru is a Marxist.

and authoritarian like Trump. Bernie is a Marxist but he would never act like Peru's Pres. Trump totally would and has already acted like that

 

[OldFlame]

and authoritarian like Trump. Bernie is a Marxist but he would never act like Peru's Pres. Trump totally would and has already acted like that

What makes Trump an 'authoritarian'?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

because you want to rewrite the constitution? at least thats what i got out of your statement that its not enough.

yes, that is what inadequate means. Before the almighty Constitution; the founders found the Articles of Confederation was inadequate, and they had to abandon amending it, because they recognized that the Three-part Separation Theory was worthy of trying, and the separation of government cannot be accomplished with a charter that organizes a different model.

i think the constitution is fine. the problem is our government ignores it now.

That means the checks and balances do not work.

 

[iceberg]

yes, that is what inadequate means. Before the almighty Constitution; the founders found the Articles of Confederation was inadequate, and they had to abandon amending it, because they recognized that the Three-part Separation Theory was worthy of trying, and the separation of government cannot be accomplished with a charter that organizes a different model.



That means the checks and balances do not work.

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they worked for 230+ years. the list of countries that never made it that far is long and distinguished now isn't it?

so it is fine. how we choose to now get around it is the problem. but hey, feel free to tell me what written word(s) can be put down no one can ignore and i'll listen.

til then, you're not really saying much.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

they worked for 230+ years. the list of countries that never made it that far is long and distinguished now isn't it?

It only seems that way, because you are unable to (have) monitor the deployment of the partisan strategies back then.

You do know that they changed the election of the Vice-presidency, because the Jeffersonians recognized an inadequacy that they were able to exploit; and the election went to the House which was deadlocked.

And then the Seventeenth Amendment changed the election of Senators, because the state legislatures were deadlocked.


Now, we are experiencing a "deadlock" on the prosecution of corruptions in the executive branch, and everyone is convinced that it is because all of the representatives that the other people elected are corrupt and not following the Constitution.

 

[iceberg]

It only seems that way, because you are unable to (have) monitor the deployment of the partisan strategies back then.

You do know that they changed the election of the Vice-presidency, because the Jeffersonians recognized an inadequacy that they were able to exploit; and the election went to the House which was deadlocked.

And then the Seventeenth Amendment changed the election of Senators, because the state legislatures were deadlocked.


Now, we are experiencing a "deadlock" on the prosecution of corruptions in the executive branch, and everyone is convinced that it is because all of the representatives that the other people elected are corrupt and not following the Constitution.

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wow - you are all over the place name dropping like it means something. i have no more insight to the minds of our forefathers than you do, no. so how you can draw all these conclusions about how i simply misunderstand the course of events that you seem to fathom beyond mortal comprehension is simply funny to me.

so, i won't get into a name flinging debate and watch it dove tail. i'll simply ask this - again - what would you write that would work better than what we have today?

anyone can say SOMETHING MUST BE DONE to everyone in a corporate meeting while pounding the table hard enough to scare the secretary in the corner; but what next?

what would you do, given the chance?

anymore discussion on how broken we are as a country is pointless w/o you saying how we can fix it.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

but hey, feel free to tell me what written word(s) can be put down no one can ignore and i'll listen.

It appears that I am going to have to appeal to a unique class of people who then lead you, not so smart people, to the promised land of adequate checks and balance of government powers.

til then, you're not really saying much.

I am saying plenty - you just don't want to question your trust in what you have heard from your friends. You did not reach to the conclusion that "they are not enforcing the Constitution," of your own volition, otherwise, you would have recognized that the checks and balances do not work, because of the expansion of the government and deployment of amendments to aliviate undefined checks on power that caused "deadlocks" in the government processes.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

anymore discussion on how broken we are as a country is pointless w/o you saying how we can fix it.

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I am working on the general charter for organizing a three-level constitutional convention series for deliberating a perfect government charter system.

I am the only person working on anything close to a more sophisticated separation of government.

 

[BothWings]

My wife is from Peru and talks to her family there several times a week on the phone. I've been to Peru about 13 times myself visiting my in-laws. I was also there on election day twice, last time when Keiko Fujimori ran against PPK and lost. That was the same year Trump ran against Hillary and won. An interesting mirror of our own election around the same time.

Anyway, I'm sure my wife will be able to confirm or deny much of what is claimed in this thread is really being properly reported. I'll show it to her when I get home. Should be interesting.

 

[iceberg]

It appears that I am going to have to appeal to a unique class of people who then lead you, not so smart people, to the promised land of adequate checks and balance of government powers.



I am saying plenty - you just don't want to question your trust in what you have heard from your friends. You did not reach to the conclusion that "they are not enforcing the Constitution," of your own volition, otherwise, you would have recognized that the checks and balances do not work, because of the expansion of the government and deployment of amendments to aliviate undefined checks on power that caused "deadlocks" in the government processes.

dude - i am saying - tell me what you'd do. you have a blank sheet of paper to tell me how we fix this. im open to your suggestions - IF YOU'D GIVE ANY.

but all you are doing it attacking. let me know if you're that dude screaming SOMETHING MUST BE DONE and yelling at those trying to do it they're doing it all wrong yet offer no other ideas.

so far, that's you.

 

[iceberg]

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I am working on the general charter for organizing a three-level constitutional convention series for deliberating a perfect government charter system.

I am the only person working on anything close to a more sophisticated separation of government.

yet you've not said any given thing you'd do here. just it should be done and anyone who disagrees is stupid.

hopefully if we rewrite that bad boy, we have people with a far more open mind at the helm. and hopefully those people give ideas, not bullshit.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

hopefully if we rewrite that bad boy, we have people with a far more open mind at the helm. and hopefully those people give ideas, not bullshit.

I'll transfer this derail to the Constitution area.

 

[iceberg]

I'll transfer this derail to the Constitution area.

so its a derail to ask you want you'd do in a thread about constitutional process.

ok, monty python king arthur. run away.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

so its a derail to ask you want you'd do in a thread about constitutional process.

ok, monty python king arthur. run away.

I'm the one who derailed the thread. You just took the bait, and took it to the threshold of its own discussion. I thought you were familiar with my campaign of arguments.

 

[iceberg]

I'm the one who derailed the thread. You just took the bait, and took it to the threshold of its own discussion. I thought you were familiar with my campaign of arguments.

So you are a troll.

OK thanks for the heads up.

Have a nice day.

 

[22lcidw]

It only seems that way, because you are unable to (have) monitor the deployment of the partisan strategies back then.

You do know that they changed the election of the Vice-presidency, because the Jeffersonians recognized an inadequacy that they were able to exploit; and the election went to the House which was deadlocked.

And then the Seventeenth Amendment changed the election of Senators, because the state legislatures were deadlocked.


Now, we are experiencing a "deadlock" on the prosecution of corruptions in the executive branch, and everyone is convinced that it is because all of the representatives that the other people elected are corrupt and not following the Constitution.

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Deadlocked! Biden is a stooge of corporate interests. 50 years of Joe. This guy would make La Papa Doca seem like the savior of Haiti who enriched the people.

 

[martybegan]

and authoritarian like Trump. Bernie is a Marxist but he would never act like Peru's Pres. Trump totally would and has already acted like that

LOL, talk about being naive.

ALL socialists have an authoritarian bent, it's the combination of their collective nature combined with the vanguard concept of them thinking the proles need to be told what to want.

 

[basquebromance]

the problem is the system in Peru. President Castillo didn't have the support of the army or even his own cabinet, he went through 80 cabinet ministers in his time in office

the new president doesn't even belong to a political party, she was driven out of her Marxist party, yet she is expected to govern through 2026

 

[basquebromance]

 

[basquebromance]

from Washington Post:

Inexperienced, possessed of a mishmash of ultraleft ideology and surrounded by a group of corrupt advisers, former rural schoolteacher Pedro Castillo was never a good fit for the office he won 17 months ago: president of Peru. Nor was he terribly popular even then.

He lucked into victory by finishing first among 18 candidates, with 19 percent of the vote, in a first-round election and then by defeating the other finalist, a right-wing populist, by 44,000 votes out of nearly 19 million cast. Castillo made matters worse for himself by presiding over multiple corruption scandals and a revolving door of mostly incompetent cabinet ministers.

In constant conflict with an opposition-controlled Congress, Castillo twice survived impeachment votes and was facing a third one Wednesday when he committed his greatest mistake yet: announcing a plan to dissolve Congress, “reorganize” the judiciary and rule by decree.

Peruvian society’s swift, stunning and peaceful rejection of this power grab sends a hopeful signal about democracy’s future — in the Andean nation of 33 million and more generally. Peru’s armed forces and police unequivocally refused to support Castillo’s coup attempt, as did key members of his government and the nation’s chief justice. Within hours of Castillo’s speech, 101 members of the 130-member Congress had voted to remove him from office (14 more than the 87 votes required) and he was under arrest on charges of rebellion. Vice President Dina Boluarte was sworn in as Peru’s first female president.

There will be no repeat of the “self-coup” in Lima 30 years ago, in which the then-president, Alberto Fujimori, dismissed Congress and seized dictatorial powers with military support. Given that history, Wednesday’s events are encouraging as a measure of Peru’s progress