Kyle Rittenhouse trial...already disproving SO MANY LIES from the left

[ColonelAngus]

I like Ray. I'm certainly disappointed in his reaction to this trial. He seems to have wandered out of civil morals.

Biden called Kyle a WHITE SUPREMACIST.

WHAT THE ****?

POTUS should not be lying about local cases.

Just disgusting.

 

[jc456]

Biden called Kyle a WHITE SUPREMACIST.

WHAT THE ****?

POTUS should not be lying about local cases.

Just disgusting.

I can't compromise my personal integrity to agree with xiden.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Kyle Rittenhouse trial adjourns for weekend after defense rests its case: LIVE UPDATES

Kyle Rittenhouse, 18, took the stand on Wednesday in his ongoing trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

www.foxnews.com

Defense attorney Mark Richards, one of two people representing Kyle Rittenhouse, says the defense has rested its case.

The prosecution has said they plan to call at least one rebuttal witness. They had planned for only one, but announced just moments ago that they hope to call two more witnesses in an apparent attempt to discredit the defendant.

State first calls rebuttal witness James Armstrong to the stand. Armstrong works with the Milwaukee Crime Lab and is being asked about photographs that will be admitted into evidence.

The prosecution said the two other potential witnesses include: Someone from a police department where Rittenhouse said he obtained his bulletproof vest; and someone from a university where Rittenhouse has said he is enrolled.

 

[eagle1462010]

I like Ray. I'm certainly disappointed in his reaction to this trial. He seems to have wandered out of civil morals.

Ray is no Dem. Unlike the left we dont Goosestep

 

[ColonelAngus]

Lefty sheep, you were lied to and you believed the lies.

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE LIES TOLD TO YOU?

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE AN UNARMED MAN WITH HIS HANDS UP?

 

[struth]

Biden called Kyle a WHITE SUPREMACIST.

WHAT THE ****?

POTUS should not be lying about local cases.

Just disgusting.

It just shows, what we already know…the left will do anything to spread racial divisions.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

of course it’s a willful misrepresentation

the dembot cult will ignore the facts and the law to justify their cultist beliefs. Their cult leader, joey xiden, already proclaimed this kid guilty and a racist, therefore they can’t let reality away them

Ray's no Dem. He's a good poster, he's just dead wrong on this. IIRC, he's former law enforcement, so probably just has an inherently dim view of what he interprets as vigilante justice. I don't fault him, I think he's dead wrong here, but he's usually right on most issues that come up on here.

 

[Rigby5]

Lefty sheep, you were lied to and you believed the lies.

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE LIES TOLD TO YOU?

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE AN UNARMED MAN WITH HIS HANDS UP?

It is always quicker to bring a pistol to bear and fire, than a rifle.
So then clearly, although this person had a pistol, did not intend to fire it, or else at the close range they were at, Kyle would have been the one shot.
No one pulled a piston on Kyle until AFTER he had fired at least 4 rounds.
And Kyle was being provocative and deliberately intimidating just by bringing a rifle in the open, unlike this inconspicuous and hidden pistol.

Who but an insane lunatic would bring a rifle and bulletproof vest to a demonstration?

 

[Rigby5]

Ray's no Dem. He's a good poster, he's just dead wrong on this. IIRC, he's former law enforcement, so probably just has an inherently dim view of what he interprets as vigilante justice. I don't fault him, I think he's dead wrong here, but he's usually right on most issues that come up on here.

How is he dead wrong?
I am far left, but no one has ever openly brought a rifle to a demonstration, riot, etc., that I have EVER seen.
When we were demonstration against Vietnam, for Civil Rights, etc., anyone with a visible weapon would have been immediately shot and killed by the police,
And rightly so.
Carrying a rifle like Kyle did, was an imminent threat that no one should allowed.
The police who failed to arrest Kyle before the shooting, should be fired.

 

[TemplarKormac]

unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

The fact Rittenhouse was fleeing in the first place should say that he did exhaust all other reasonable means of escaping death or bodily harm. The fact that Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz, and Huber all chased him down, one with a firearm, all three of them had the intention of harming or killing him, should tell you that all of his safest and most reasonable options had been exhausted. Rittenhouse was knocked to the ground and in a vulnerable position. The armed assailant was approaching point-blank range.

(In fact, you could say Rittenhouse was exhausting his last viable option when he was attacked--which was escape).


Reasonable self-defense.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Kyle Rittenhouse is not a thug.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a dumb teenager who has watched too much right wing media and their propaganda. As a result, the kid could spend years in prison. Just like the January 6th seditionists who bought into far right bull shit.
Being young and naïve, he bought in to the false story that you need a big powerful gun to be safe. He bought into the dangerous propaganda that when the government does do what you would like, you take the law into your own hands.
Rittenhouse had no clue on the ramifications of carrying a semi-automatic rifle in public. He did not comprehend how deadly the weapon is. He did not understand how others would approach him while carrying a semi-automatic at a demonstration.

Most of the far right are like Rittenhouse. They have no idea about the damage being done to our country by their propaganda.

The far right and the far left are both horrific. They are like illegal drugs, they ruin many lives.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I like Ray. I'm certainly disappointed in his reaction to this trial. He seems to have wandered out of civil morals.

Thank you JC, we still friends.

My opinion doesn't come from social point of view, religious point of view, political point of view or civil point of view. My opinion is we either have laws or we don't. If we have laws, we all obey them whether we love or hate them. If enough people hate them, take steps to change them. But what I will never do is pick and choose laws I think we as a society should obey because they meet my approval or which ones we ignore because I'm against them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I am far left, but no one has ever openly brought a rifle to a demonstration, riot, etc., that I have EVER seen.

Then you obviously never saw the riots in Atlanta after Rayshard Brooks was killed. People were walking the streets brazenly carrying shotguns.

Far left and far out of the loop.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The fact Rittenhouse was fleeing in the first place should say that he did exhaust all other reasonable means of escaping death or bodily harm. The fact that Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz, and Huber all chased him down, one with a firearm, all three of them had the intention of harming or killing him, should tell you that all of his safest and most reasonable options had been exhausted. Rittenhouse was knocked to the ground and in a vulnerable position. The armed assailant was approaching point-blank range.

Reasonable self-defense.

That is not doing anything possible to avoid the situation. You already put yourself in that situation which is against their laws in Wisconsin. Their laws as is in most if not all states is you take ANY steps necessary to not be put in that position in the first place. Our laws are no different here. If I were to see rioting anywhere, even with as few as eight or ten people, as a legally armed and licensed carrier, I'm getting in my car and getting the hell out of there. That's doing everything possible to make sure I don't have to use my firearm for any reason.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Kyle Rittenhouse is a dumb teenager who has watched too much right wing media and their propaganda.

Government's failure to maintain peace and order is not right-wing propaganda. It was there for the entire country to see. It so happened to be 20 miles from where Rittenhouse lived.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is not doing anything possible to avoid the situation.

So attempting to flee in the direction of the nearest law enforcement is not the ultimate form of "doing anything possible to avoid the situation?"

That's a confusing line of reasoning, my good man.

 

[Rigby5]

The fact Rittenhouse was fleeing in the first place should say that he did exhaust all other reasonable means of escaping death or bodily harm. The fact that Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz, and Huber all chased him down, one with a firearm, all three of them had the intention of harming or killing him, should tell you that all of his safest and most reasonable options had been exhausted. Rittenhouse was knocked to the ground and in a vulnerable position. The armed assailant was approaching point-blank range.

(In fact, you could say Rittenhouse was exhausting his last viable option when he was attacked--which was escape).


Reasonable self-defense.

Wrong.
The provocative and threatening act of openly carrying a rifle, required Rittenhouse be attacked by the others, out of self defense.
And the person guilty of initiating the threatening is not eligible to a self defense claim then.

Rittenhouse simply should not have brought a rifle.
Anyone who does that should be killed instantly, on the spot.

(the only exception are those who stay on their own property, and stay away from everyone else.)

 

[TemplarKormac]

The provocative and threatening act of openly carrying a rifle, required Rittenhouse be attacked by the others, out of self defense.

That's like saying telling a woman who has been raped that she should have been better clothed and less sexually appealing.

Lame, bruh. Knock it off.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray's no Dem. He's a good poster, he's just dead wrong on this. IIRC, he's former law enforcement, so probably just has an inherently dim view of what he interprets as vigilante justice. I don't fault him, I think he's dead wrong here, but he's usually right on most issues that come up on here.

That you very much Osiris, but I speak from training here, not personal opinion. Ten hours of class time to get a CCW in our state mostly covers these laws and past situations where they apply. Mind you we never addressed one of this exact nature, but some that were pretty close. But the bottom line of them all is if you are going to carry out in public, do everything possible to avoid having to use that firearm which didn't happen in this case.

You see the state realizes if we allow people like this Rittenhouse to get away with what he did, it will only create more people with the belief they can use their firearm at will even when they insert themselves in a position where they will likely have to use their gun and likely kill people. We don't want that in our state and no state does.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And the person guilty of initiating the threatening is not eligible to a self defense claim then.

Problem. Rosenbaum charged Rittenhouse. Rosenbaum was the instigator, not Rittenhouse.