Kyle Rittenhouse defense again tries, fails to get gun possession charge dropped

[Rigby5]

Except for all the lawyers at the trial and the judge.....except for them....

There is no evidence in the trial that anyone thinks it is legal for a minor to be in possession of a firearm in WI, (without qualifying for an exception).
At best you can claim is that the judge thought the statute was worded badly enough to be unenforceable.
But anyone reading it should have no problem.
I had no problem understanding it.
So then likely all 3 participants at the trial, the prosecution, defense, and judge, were all guilty of deliberately throwing the case.
Happens frequently.
But usually in states like GA or MI, not WI.
But Kenosha has always been about the most redneck part of WI, with Chicago being a bad influence.

 

[toobfreak]

Do you think the law banning minors from carrying weapons violates the Second Amendment?

Odd, they used to TEACH gun safety to minors in the 1950s, so no, there is no constitutional limitation to a minor carrying a gun.

 

[AZrailwhale]

First of all, Grosskreutz was not a felon but an official Medtech, and he did not attack Kyle, but went over to investigate because it looked like Kyle was the was the attacker.

Grosskreutz was a felon. He was convicted of a felony as a juvenile. While the felony conviction was stricken from his record legally, in fact he is a felon. But he was still illegally carrying a concealed pistol since his permit had either expired or been rescinded. He had a recent felony arrest that hasn’t gone to court yet. The arrest alone would be cause for a suspension of a CCW permit.

 

[Rigby5]

He has to be trolling right now......he can't be this stupid........

I am pretty much done with him......unless the real Rigby comes back and says his kid was playing games on the computer...

You do not bring a rifle to a political event.
You do not go mixing with the other side, alone, with the intent of intimidating them with your rifle.
You do not pretend to be a Medtech and then shoot a real Medtech.
You fire a warming shot if you feel threatened.
You do not go around in a riot alone.
You have no business going 20 miles across state lines for a local conflict.
You do not try to act against a conflict that is trying to right an injustice by police.
Police have no authority to shoot someone 7 times in the back.
Everyone should be outraged no charges were filed against Sheskey for the obvious crimes by the police.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The jury never got all the facts.
For example, if the jury had been told that possession of the rifle by a minor was illegal, then they likely would have seen Kyle's actions in a different light.

According to the judge, the defense AND THE PROSECUTION, it was legal for Rittenhouse to posses the rifle. Only you are “brilliant” enough to disagree.

 

[progressive hunter]

You do not bring a rifle to a political event.
You do not go mixing with the other side, alone, with the intent of intimidating them with your rifle.
You do not pretend to be a Medtech and then shoot a real Medtech.
You fire a warming shot if you feel threatened.
You do not go around in a riot alone.
You have no business going 20 miles across state lines for a local conflict.
You do not try to act against a conflict that is trying to right an injustice by police.
Police have no authority to shoot someone 7 times in the back.
Everyone should be outraged no charges were filed against Sheskey for the obvious crimes by the police.

none of that applies to kyles case,,

but you knew that,,

 

[Orangecat]

You do not bring a rifle to a political event.
You do not go mixing with the other side, alone, with the intent of intimidating them with your rifle.
You do not pretend to be a Medtech and then shoot a real Medtech.
You fire a warming shot if you feel threatened.
You do not go around in a riot alone.
You have no business going 20 miles across state lines for a local conflict.
You do not try to act against a conflict that is trying to right an injustice by police.
Police have no authority to shoot someone 7 times in the back.
Everyone should be outraged no charges were filed against Sheskey for the obvious crimes by the police.

You do not make the rules and most people with spines are not as pussified as you regarding such things.
The verdict is in: Not Guilty.
Stop crying and move on.

 

[AZrailwhale]

If that is the defense attorney, then there is no way for anyone to claim who is testifying at that moment.

Yes there is, there is plenty of evidence including the stream from court tv. You just won’t accept it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Videos are easily chopped up and edited.
The facts are the bullet path through Grosskreutz's arm proves he had his hands up when shot.
We also know Grosskreutz posed no threat to Kyle because Kyle's gun misfired on the first shot at Grosskreutz and he have to recycle.
Which means Grosskreutz had plenty of time to shoot Kyle if he had wanted to.
Which means Kyle was not shooting in defense at all, but deliberate intent to kill.

Only you are claiming the rifle misfired, there is no ejected round and a Grosskreutz never testified to that.

 

[Rigby5]

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Odd, they used to TEACH gun safety to minors in the 1950s, so no, there is no constitutional limitation to a minor carrying a gun.

Wrong.
The purpose of all constitutions is to authorize government, not individuals.
And clearly it is illegal for a minor to be in possession when not qualified by one of the exception.
And one of the exceptions is under adult supervision, like in a school classroom.
Likely the adult teacher is the one who brought the shotgun in, and first cleared the action.
Would you have wanted one of the kids to just bring in a gun on their own?

 

[Rigby5]

Grosskreutz was a felon. He was convicted of a felony as a juvenile. While the felony conviction was stricken from his record legally, in fact he is a felon. But he was still illegally carrying a concealed pistol since his permit had either expired or been rescinded. He had a recent felony arrest that hasn’t gone to court yet. The arrest alone would be cause for a suspension of a CCW permit.

He had NO juvenile felony conviction.
Juvenile convictions can be expunged, but you then still can't pass the background check a CCW.
The CCW permit had expired but was NOT rescinded.

Here is his exact police record.

Gaige Grosskreutz biography: 13 things about West Allis, Wisconsin man Kyle Rittenhouse shot

Gaige Paul Grosskreutz of West Allis, Wisconsin, United States was one of the men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse on August 25, 2020. They were in the same Black Lives Matter demonstration in Ke…

conandaily.com

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1. On November 17, 2010, the West Allis Police Department arrested him for simple assault. His grandmother Janice A. Grosskreutz called the police and accused him of striking her across the face with an open hand during an argument.
2. In 2016, he was convicted of a criminal misdemeanor for going armed with a firearm while intoxicated. He also had a forfeiture case for not showing obedience to officers and one for loud noises.

...}

Neither was a felony, and the first was dropped entirely.
I could not find any current charges pending against Grosskreutz.
He had completed Medtech training and was clearly a good guy.

 

[ESay]

You do not bring a rifle to a political event

Political event? They burnt and looted properties. Is that called a political event now?

 

[Rigby5]

Only you are claiming the rifle misfired, there is no ejected round and a Grosskreutz never testified to that.

Grosskreutz has always been on record for saying Kyle tried to shoot once and then reracked after a misfire.
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Grosskreutz testified that he put in hands in the air as he saw Rittenhouse’s AR-15 point towards him. He claimed that before he was shot, he saw Rittenhouse “re-rack” his weapon before firing.
...}

[WATCH] Kenosha Shooting Survivor Describes ‘Confusing’ Scene Where Kyle Rittenhouse ‘Re-Racked’ Rifle - HillReporter |

The lone survivor of the shootings during the Jacob Blake protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last year testified during Kyle Rittenhouse’s trial on Monday and disputed Rittenhouse’s account of the incident.

hillreporter.com

How could you have missed this important statement by Grosskreutz?
Are you really reading all the info or not?

 

[progressive hunter]

Grosskreutz has always been on record for saying Kyle tried to shoot once and then reracked after a misfire.
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Grosskreutz testified that he put in hands in the air as he saw Rittenhouse’s AR-15 point towards him. He claimed that before he was shot, he saw Rittenhouse “re-rack” his weapon before firing.
...}

[WATCH] Kenosha Shooting Survivor Describes ‘Confusing’ Scene Where Kyle Rittenhouse ‘Re-Racked’ Rifle - HillReporter |

The lone survivor of the shootings during the Jacob Blake protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last year testified during Kyle Rittenhouse’s trial on Monday and disputed Rittenhouse’s account of the incident.

hillreporter.com

How could you have missed this important statement by Grosskreutz?
Are you really reading all the info or not?

youre leaving out it didnt happen and he also lied several other times on the stand,,

 

[Rigby5]

Political event? They burnt and looted properties. Is that called a political event now?

Just like the Boston Tea Party, the 67 civil rights riots, all the Vietnam war protests, etc.
Face facts, the pollce often become the bad guys when they support the corrupt wealthy elite abusing people.
The invasion of Iraq, the War on Drugs, mandated sentences, asset forfeiture, etc. are all totally and obviously illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

youre leaving out it didnt happen and he also lied several other times on the stand,,

Possible.
But the facts still are the bullet trajectory in his arm proves his hands were up and he was not pointing a gun at Kyle when Kyle pulled the trigger.

 

[progressive hunter]

Possible.
But the facts still are the bullet trajectory in his arm proves his hands were up and he was not pointing a gun at Kyle when Kyle pulled the trigger.

and yet the video evidence proves that wrong,,,

 

[Rigby5]

and yet the video evidence proves that wrong,,,

That makes no sense.
The police and the prosecutor who works with the police are the ones who decide about charges, and they would not want him to testify.
They were on Kyle's side.
Otherwise the police would have disarmed and arrested Kyle right from the beginning.

 

[progressive hunter]

That makes no sense.
The police and the prosecutor who works with the police are the ones who decide about charges, and they would not want him to testify.
They were on Kyle's side.
Otherwise the police would have disarmed and arrested Kyle right from the beginning.

when did we start talking about charges??

the discussion is about when kyle shot bicep guy,, and as we see in the video its when he pointed the gun at kyle,, and he also testified thats when kyle shot him

 

[ESay]

Just like the Boston Tea Party, the 67 civil rights riots, all the Vietnam war protests, etc.
Face facts, the pollce often become the bad guys when they support the corrupt wealthy elite abusing people.
The invasion of Iraq, the War on Drugs, mandated sentences, asset forfeiture, etc. are all totally and obviously illegal.

Okay, but if you use some force taking part in 'political events ' be ready to get response. And you shouldn't complain about that.