Kremlin says Russia is open to dialogue with Trump on Ukraine

Not many people were cheering him, and its not because he wanted to "stop the war", but because he wanted to "fight it more effectively".
Wagner and Prigozhin were cheered wildly because Russians thought he was going to Moscow to rid them of Putin.
Nothing special will happen. You'll knee and gobble.
If Russia attacks a NATO country? You can talk big because you know that will never happen.
Its not about Ukraine only. Its about the system of equal safety and equal rights.
As one of your posts succinctly put it, its about "spheres of influence". We are both learning where Russia's ends and NATO's begins.
And if Russians living in other countries make their free choice to join Russia - it gives Russia pretty good claim.
Majority rules, an unruly minority gets "bitch slapped". Refer back to "sphere of influence".
And once more you are returning to your Nazi-rhetoric that Russians are sub-humans, who can't understand what and why they are doing.
You are always referring to Nazi rhetoric. Soldiers follow orders or get shot, even stupid and illegal orders, like invade Ukraine.
Likely, we should have invaded a bit earlier, but its quite good either.
3-years into a stalemated war is a very bad place to be. Take the peace deal and call it a victory.
Zelenskiy is nobody. He is expired. Whatever he "chooses" it means nothing. The only one who's position means something in the West is Mr Trump. And he has basically only two choices - "escalate" or "deescalate". As far as I can see - he chooses "escalate", and it, basically means that we are in a larger nuclear war in a year or two.
So you say. Mr Putin appears to be sane, and at 72 years old he should know enough to end the war before he leaves office.
If you don't want the war - pay fines and f#ck off. Its that simple.
No one but you ever mentions "fines". Are you forgetting to take your meds?
Maybe yes. Nuclear weapons are expensive to maintain, maybe they all won't work? Are you sure you have no duds?
No. They are going to be more effective soon.
Bluffing again? Putin has a lot of irons in the fire, the war costs, developing weapons, maintaining nukes, keeping allies happy, etc.
As Trump tightens the screws something will break.
 
Wagner and Prigozhin were cheered wildly because Russians thought he was going to Moscow to rid them of Putin.

If Russia attacks a NATO country? You can talk big because you know that will never happen.

As one of your posts succinctly put it, its about "spheres of influence". We are both learning where Russia's ends and NATO's begins.

Majority rules, an unruly minority gets "bitch slapped". Refer back to "sphere of influence".

You are always referring to Nazi rhetoric. Soldiers follow orders or get shot, even stupid and illegal orders, like invade Ukraine.

3-years into a stalemated war is a very bad place to be. Take the peace deal and call it a victory.

So you say. Mr Putin appears to be sane, and at 72 years old he should know enough to end the war before he leaves office.

No one but you ever mentions "fines". Are you forgetting to take your meds?

Maybe yes. Nuclear weapons are expensive to maintain, maybe they all won't work? Are you sure you have no duds?

Bluffing again? Putin has a lot of irons in the fire, the war costs, developing weapons, maintaining nukes, keeping allies happy, etc.
As Trump tightens the screws something will break.
Russia, as we know it, will disappear if it ever attacks a NATO country.
 
Wagner and Prigozhin were cheered wildly because Russians thought he was going to Moscow to rid them of Putin.
Of course no. You don't know what the Russians think. What is even more important you don't even try to understand what the Russians actually want. You are quite happy in your Manya-verse and thats why you can't win in reality.

If Russia attacks a NATO country? You can talk big because you know that will never happen.
There are already civilian disturbance in Narva (Russian city in Estonia). Right now it's totaly peaceful and almost totally about economy, but if you don't get few steps back - I guarantee, it will be raising and eventually it will come to the military invasion of Russia.
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As one of your posts succinctly put it, its about "spheres of influence". We are both learning where Russia's ends and NATO's begins.
End of NATO is not about place, its about time. And the time is "pretty soon".

Majority rules, an unruly minority gets "bitch slapped". Refer back to "sphere of influence".
Of course, after elimination of anti-Russian minority there will be rule of pro-Russian majority.

You are always referring to Nazi rhetoric. Soldiers follow orders or get shot, even stupid and illegal orders, like invade Ukraine.
Not always.

3-years into a stalemated war is a very bad place to be.
Its quite nice. And its not "stalemate". In a year or two Ukraine is running out of men, even if you keep the flow of money, vechicles and weapons on the same level (and you can't do it). And then we take all Ukraine (and not only Ukraine)

Take the peace deal and call it a victory.
We don't want to "call" something. We need real victory - wealth and safety for our people, the system of equal rights and equal safety for everyone.

So you say. Mr Putin appears to be sane, and at 72 years old he should know enough to end the war before he leaves office.
Oh, my.... Putin is definitely "insane" in your understanding of the word "sanity". Its trite and not totally correct to say that an American can't understand a Russian (especially a Russian high rank decision maker), but we can say, that anybody who so deeply tangled in the oversimplified black and white, one dimensional political world and a chewing gum of 2D TV picture can't even survive in the real, true-colour and 3-dimensional Jungle, say nothing about understanding the logic of 5-dimentional chess. Actually, only your colour-blindness protect you from the existential terror of the watching the spectrum of colours not belonging to your echo-chamber.

No one but you ever mentions "fines". Are you forgetting to take your meds?
Its not worth mentioning. You already did a lot of evil, and you'll pay for it (one way, or another).
Maybe yes. Nuclear weapons are expensive to maintain, maybe they all won't work? Are you sure you have no duds?
Make your bet and play American roulette (its like Russian roulette but with five cartriges in six chambers).
 
Of course no. You don't know what the Russians think. What is even more important you don't even try to understand what the Russians actually want. You are quite happy in your Manya-verse and thats why you can't win in reality.
I showed you a link where Prigozhin and Wagner were cheered wildly because he was headed to Moscow, and you deny what I showed. We have an expression, "don't believe your lying eyes". As one way to defend a lie. I saw what Russians think.
There are already civilian disturbance in Narva (Russian city in Estonia). Right now it's totally peaceful and almost totally about economy, but if you don't get few steps back - I guarantee, it will be raising and eventually it will come to the military invasion of Russia.
Estonia will not invade Russia. That makes no sense.
End of NATO is not about place, its about time. And the time is "pretty soon".
talk,talk,talk,talk,talk,talk...
Of course, after elimination of anti-Russian minority there will be rule of pro-Russian majority.
Where? Ukraine? Not happening.

Its quite nice. And its not "stalemate". In a year or two Ukraine is running out of men, even if you keep the flow of money, vehicles and weapons on the same level (and you can't do it). And then we take all Ukraine (and not only Ukraine)
In another year or two? Good plan. What's losing another 500,000 Russians. Maybe Estonia sees an opportunity after Russia's military is depleted? Does Estonia even have a military? Ukraine's war will be over before then, at least according to Trump.
We don't want to "call" something. We need real victory - wealth and safety for our people, the system of equal rights and equal safety for everyone.
Taking Crimea back and getting Donbas is a true victory. Better that then continuing a war that may be too expensive.
Oh, my.... Putin is definitely "insane" in your understanding of the word "sanity". Its trite and not totally correct to say that an American can't understand a Russian (especially a Russian high rank decision maker), but we can say, that anybody who so deeply tangled in the oversimplified black and white, one dimensional political world and a chewing gum of 2D TV picture can't even survive in the real, true-colour and 3-dimensional Jungle, say nothing about understanding the logic of 5-dimentional chess. Actually, only your colour-blindness protect you from the existential terror of the watching the spectrum of colours not belonging to your echo-chamber.
Very cryptic Zav. You sound like a fortune teller making an ominous prediction. So you're saying Putin plays 5-dimensional chess and our obvious strategies have no chance against a Russian Grandmaster?? Your last sentence is not as succinct as your reference to "sphere of influence". Just an FYI, (for your information), I am not color-blind, and I don't have an echo-chamber. I see reality without FSB filters.
Make your bet and play American roulette (its like Russian roulette but with five cartridges in six chambers).
Nuclear war has all six chambers loaded. Best not to touch the trigger.
 
I showed you a link where Prigozhin and Wagner were cheered wildly because he was headed to Moscow, and you deny what I showed.
Some of Russians cheered Prigozin. All other is your interpretation. And they cheered him because they thought his fighters were heroes who just took Bakhmut and turned to Moscow to demand their rightful payment for it from corrupted MoD generals.
I mean if in an American bar you see a fight between sailors and soldiers and you simpathise for one of the sides, it doesn't mean that you want to overthrow Trump.

We have an expression, "don't believe your lying eyes". As one way to defend a lie. I saw what Russians think.
No. You can't "see" what Russians think. Actually, you can't even understand what Russians say or write (even when we write in more or less plain English).

Estonia will not invade Russia. That makes no sense.
From your point of view, it will be Russia invading Estonia, because, from your point of view, Narva is a part of Estonia (like Odessa is a part of Ukraine).

In another year or two? Good plan. What's losing another 500,000 Russians.
It means liberation of millions of Russians.

Maybe Estonia sees an opportunity after Russia's military is depleted? Does Estonia even have a military? Ukraine's war will be over before then, at least according to Trump.
Trump is all talks and no deeds.

Taking Crimea back and getting Donbas is a true victory. Better that then continuing a war that may be too expensive.
But more profitable either.

Very cryptic Zav. You sound like a fortune teller making an ominous prediction. So you're saying Putin plays 5-dimensional chess and our obvious strategies have no chance against a Russian Grandmaster??
Not only Putin, of course. Many Russians can play 5D chess. At least Russians have wider picture of the world.

Your last sentence is not as succinct as your reference to "sphere of influence". Just an FYI, (for your information), I am not color-blind,
I thought you said that Republicans are colour-blind.

and I don't have an echo-chamber. I see reality without FSB filters.
Of course no. You don't have access to reality, and actively denie that part of it people tell you about.

Nuclear war has all six chambers loaded. Best not to touch the trigger.
That's a part of your environmental faith. But there are a lot of other religions.
 
Some of Russians cheered Prigozin. All other is your interpretation. And they cheered him because they thought his fighters were heroes who just took Bakhmut and turned to Moscow to demand their rightful payment for it from corrupted MoD generals.
I mean if in an American bar you see a fight between sailors and soldiers and you sympathize for one of the sides, it doesn't mean that you want to overthrow Trump. No. You can't "see" what Russians think. Actually, you can't even understand what Russians say or write (even when we write in more or less plain English).
Fair enough. You can <<<<spin>>>> why they were cheering.
From your point of view, it will be Russia invading Estonia, because, from your point of view, Narva is a part of Estonia (like Odessa is a part of Ukraine).
Russia won't attack a NATO country.
It means liberation of millions of Russians.
There aren't Russians in Ukraine.
Trump is all talk and no deeds.
Keep watching.
But more profitable either.
Just saying that Putin can end the war and claim a real victory by getting Crimea and Donbas as part of Russia.
Not only Putin, of course. Many Russians can play 5D chess. At least Russians have wider picture of the world.
I played 3D chess. 5D chess is a game with time travel.

Of course no. You don't have access to reality, and actively deny that part of it people tell you about.
Everyone has a different perspective of reality. We are on opposite sides of the war in Ukraine. We both deny that our side is wrong. I can point to Litwin and NATO countries as having some similarities with my view. Time will tell whose view prevails.
That's a part of your environmental faith. But there are a lot of other religions.
You don't want to test the environmental impacts of an all out nuclear war based on pseudo-science. That many nuclear devices exploding has to have a serious impact on the environment, common sense tells us that.
 
The book has already been written. trump goes into the "negotiations" and gives Poootin everything he wants. When Zelensky balks, trump blames Z and pulls all support for Ukraine. Then Poootin becomes our number one ally.
 
The book has already been written. trump goes into the "negotiations" and gives Poootin everything he wants. When Zelensky balks, trump blames Z and pulls all support for Ukraine. Then Poootin becomes our number one ally.
Trump is not going to the negotiations. dumbass.

Did Biden ever get to peace negotiations? (hint: no)
 
Trump will meet with Putin somewhere.

Vance made it clear that the Ukrainian pre-2014 borders and a NATO slot are off the board.
 
The book has already been written. trump goes into the "negotiations" and gives Poootin everything he wants. When Zelensky balks, trump blames Z and pulls all support for Ukraine. Then Poootin becomes our number one ally.
Trump will meet with Putin somewhere.

Vance made it clear that the Ukrainian pre-2014 borders and a NATO slot are off the board.
This is just BRUTAL. Good gawd:

 
Trump will meet with Putin somewhere.

Vance made it clear that the Ukrainian pre-2014 borders and a NATO slot are off the board.
Hmm, really? Wasn't Z supposed to be fishing in Crimea by the summer of 2023? Hasn't he been killing 20 Russians for every Hohol all this years? Looks like it's about time you dragged your fat behind off your bed and helped the mother fucker. Democracy is on the line.
 
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Hmm, really? Wasn't Z supposed to be fishing in Crimea by the summer of 2023? Hasn't he been killing 20 Russians for every Hohol all this years? Looks like it's about time you dragged your fat behind off your bed and helped the mother fucker. Democracy is on the line.
Watch trump capitulate to Poootin anything he wants.. Zelensky better get some adult diapers, cause trump is about to ream him.
 
Watch trump capitulate to Poootin anything he wants.. Zelensky better get some adult diapers, cause trump is about to ream him.
Do you want me to get upset about that? Actually I'd be more than happy if he did.
 
Russia won't attack a NATO country.

Why not? Who can deter us?
There aren't Russians in Ukraine.
Of course there are. Actually, from some points of view Ukrainians are true Russians and Russians are not Russians but "Moscowites". Say now that there are no Mexicans in the USA and there were no Jews in Germany back in 1933-1944.

Just saying that Putin can end the war and claim a real victory by getting Crimea and Donbas as part of Russia.
No, he can't. He is not a some sort of mighty necromancer, controlling the Army of Zombies. He is just a political leader of Russians (and Russians do have their opinion about situation in Ukraine, many of us hav friends and relatives there). He accept unacceptable deal - he is pretty dead, and the Russians have another leader.

I played 3D chess.
It was a figure of speech, like your colour-blindness or one-dimensional political picture.

Everyone has a different perspective of reality. We are on opposite sides of the war in Ukraine. We both deny that our side is wrong. I can point to Litwin and NATO countries as having some similarities with my view. Time will tell whose view prevails.
The point is that "your" point of view is:
1) not actually "your", for you don't have any independent sources of information.
2) your point of view is simply irrelevant.


You don't want to test the environmental impacts of an all out nuclear war based on pseudo-science. That many nuclear devices exploding has to have a serious impact on the environment, common sense tells us that.
If you don't want to test it - its your right to not test it, however provocative the Russians are. Including, of course, direct nuclear attack on NATO countries. To be reliable deterrence should be believable, and to be believable - it should not be suicidal. If you really believe that massive nuclear exchange is certain suicide - you won't retaliate, even if the Russians invaded a NATO country and even used some nukes in the limited nuclear war. And if you actually believe that your retaliation means "certain suicide" (like "Ukrainian roulette" with six cartridges in six chambers) - you won't retaliate even after Russian counter-force strike on US military targets (first of all - silos of Minutemen). Its better to lose only Montana and Wyoming because of fallouts then lose the whole world because of the "nuclear winter", isn't it?

And no, real science (in the difference with environmetalistic religion) doesn't consider long term environmental impacts from all-out nuclear war as something significantly more devastating than a fall of an average asteroid or an erruption of a large volcano. It might become terrible, but definitely not "certain suicide". Its gambling, a sort of Russian roulette, and the Russians have one cartrige in six chambers, and Americans have five cartriges in six chambers. The possible prize for the Russians - is their own life and the life and dignity of their Ukrainian sister, and American possible prize, is, merely, not really large box with dollars (may be even with fake dollars).
Its worth playing for Russians, and it doesn't worth playing for Americans.
 
Why not? Who can deter us?
NATO can. Just like Ukraine did. Mass forces to attack and bad things happen.
Of course there are. Actually, from some points of view Ukrainians are true Russians and Russians are not Russians but "Moscowites". Say now that there are no Mexicans in the USA and there were no Jews in Germany back in 1933-1944.
My point is that depending on which side of the border you are on, that is the country you are a citizen of. My family came from Austria, and I am 100% American. There is a big difference between citizenship and country of origin. Countries of origin have no claims to another country because of the ethnicity of some citizens.
No, he can't. He is not a some sort of mighty necromancer, controlling the Army of Zombies. He is just a political leader of Russians (and Russians do have their opinion about situation in Ukraine, many of us have friends and relatives there). He accepts unacceptable deal - he is pretty dead, and the Russians have another leader.
Most Russians want the war to end. Old drunk politicians' opinions don't count. Putin is the leader, let him decide what is best for Russia. Ending the war, getting Crimea and Donbas and other areas are a victory to celebrate, plus no more dying.
The point is that "your" point of view is:
1) not actually "yours", for you don't have any independent sources of information.
2) your point of view is simply irrelevant.
1. I have multiple sources of information, we can debate whose is more accurate
2. I voted for Trump, and Trump's point of view is dominant. Biden was a senile idiot.
If you don't want to test it - its your right to not test it, however provocative the Russians are. Including, of course, direct nuclear attack on NATO countries. To be reliable deterrence should be believable, and to be believable - it should not be suicidal. If you really believe that massive nuclear exchange is certain suicide - you won't retaliate, even if the Russians invaded a NATO country and even used some nukes in the limited nuclear war. And if you actually believe that your retaliation means "certain suicide" (like "Ukrainian roulette" with six cartridges in six chambers) - you won't retaliate even after Russian counter-force strike on US military targets (first of all - silos of Minutemen). Its better to lose only Montana and Wyoming because of fallout then lose the whole world because of the "nuclear winter", isn't it?

And no, real science (in the difference with environmental religion) doesn't consider long term environmental impacts from all-out nuclear war as something significantly more devastating than a fall of an average asteroid or an eruption of a large volcano. It might become terrible, but definitely not "certain suicide". Its gambling, a sort of Russian roulette, and the Russians have one cartridge in six chambers, and Americans have five cartridges in six chambers. The possible prize for the Russians - is their own life and the life and dignity of their Ukrainian sister, and American possible prize, is, merely, not really large box with dollars (may be even with fake dollars). Its worth playing for Russians, and it doesn't worth playing for Americans.
1. I guarantee a nuclear response to a nuclear attack. Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) depends upon assured total destruction.

2. In a Russian attack of a NATO country with tactical nukes I haven't used "game theory" or AI to see which outcome is optimum. But if a NATO country has nukes, I believe that they would use all of them if attacked.

3. Say Russia attacks Poland, where US troops are. We would respond forcefully if those troops were nuked, that's a fact. If Russia attacked Sweden, I'm sure that at the very least, the EU countries would respond with nukes.

4. Why would Russia have one cartridge and the US five regarding nuclear war? We both have thousands of nuclear warheads, Both countries would be radioactive wastelands. Ukraine is not Russia's sister. Ukraine is more like Russia's hateful ex-wife. There is no winning a nuclear war, and you don't want to have a nuclear war to test the outcome.

5. Looks like peace talks are scheduled. I hope a ceasefire soon follows.
 
Ha Ha! Poootin knows Comrade trump will give him whatever he asks.
 
NATO can. Just like Ukraine did. Mass forces to attack and bad things happen.
Ukraine failed to deter Russia. Actually they did quite opposite - they did provoke Russia. If NATO countries are too provocative (as Ukraine was) - Russia will beat them. May be, Russia will slap them gently, as it was with Ukraine to coerce them into acceptable peace, or, what is more likely - will beat them hard to death.

My point is that depending on which side of the border you are on, that is the country you are a citizen of.
Citizenship is one thing. Ethnicity - is a bit different. If, say, Arabs are attacking Jews in Israel, Jews in the USA are feeling themselves attacked either (and trying to help their brothers and sisters). Same way, if Arabs in Middle East are attacked - Arabs in the USA often feel themselves concerned. "We [Arabs, Jews, Russians, Americans] are under attack. We are fighting back." It's really old pattern. "Collective self-defense", one of the things that make us human beings.

My family came from Austria, and I am 100% American. There is a big difference between citizenship and country of origin. Countries of origin have no claims to another country because of the ethnicity of some citizens.
Russians (or Jews) in Ukraine (most of them) didn't came in Ukraine. They are not descendants of migrants. They live on their own land. Just some freaking politicians decided that this land is not their, anymore.
I have friends and relatives in Ukraine, including parts still controlled by Kievan regime. They don't like that regime, they don't want to be abused and discriminated. Right now they are waiting for liberation by the Russian Army (to change Kievan regime or to liberate and annex their land).

Most Russians want the war to end.
Most Russians want acceptable terms of peace. If Kievan regime continue discrimination of Russian-speakers - they won't see those terms as "acceptable". What is even more important, if the discrimination continues - people in Ukraine will rebel and people in Russian Federation will support them (NATO or not NATO).
And no, quite significant part of Russians (especially of numerous poor ones) want the war to continue, because it is profitable, and significant part of the most numerous Russian opposition party - Communistic Party, see a world war as a chance for the world's Revolution, and many of Russian rich people (they are minority, but influencial one) - see the local or even regional war as a way to obtain new assets.

Generally speaking - everybody love peace. But in practical terms - war is still good.

Old drunk politicians' opinions don't count. Putin is the leader, let him decide what is best for Russia.
A lot of people trust Putin. But Russians do decide what is best for them. If Putin try to sell them something obviously wrong (like continue of existence of Kievan Nazi regime and continue of discrimination of Russians in Ukraine) - ok, they won't buy it.

Ending the war, getting Crimea and Donbas and other areas are a victory to celebrate, plus no more dying.
It is not about territory. If Kiev continues discrimination of Russians - Russians won't see it as a "victory" no matter what tales medoa will tell them.

1. I have multiple sources of information, we can debate whose is more accurate
No, you haven't.

2. I voted for Trump, and Trump's point of view is dominant. Biden was a senile idiot.
As for me, both of them are senile idiots, but it doesn't really matter. American opinion about Ukraine is irrelevant because America is not ready to sacrifice even one million of Americans to prove that their PoV is relevant.

1. I guarantee a nuclear response to a nuclear attack.
And who are you? US nuclear posture doesn't "guarantee" it.

Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) depends upon assured total destruction.
MAD is a myth. And even if you believe in it... Man, I'm pretty sure, that you are not going to commit murder(including murder of people who you suppose to defend)-suicide just for the ritual jesture.

2. In a Russian attack of a NATO country with tactical nukes I haven't used "game theory" or AI to see which outcome is optimum. But if a NATO country has nukes, I believe that they would use all of them if attacked.
Really? Even if they known that it will mean virtually total annihilation of them?

3. Say Russia attacks Poland, where US troops are. We would respond forcefully if those troops were nuked, that's a fact.
May be you'll try. Its "Deterrence type 3" - ability to fight and win a limited nuclear war. The problem is, that the USA have the only one type of tactical nukes - gravity bombs B61 and not too many of them, without actual capability to deliver significant part of them to targets. So, after a short Limited Nuclear war the USA will face the choice: 1) surrender 2) escalate.

If Russia attacked Sweden, I'm sure that at the very least, the EU countries would respond with nukes.
There is only one EU country with nukes. It is France. There arsenal is insignificant and it is not supposed to defend other countries, for its use means suicide for them (for Russians will fight them back). You know, like a bee who can sting, but only by price of its own death.

4. Why would Russia have one cartridge and the US five regarding nuclear war?
Because Russia has better nuclear arsenal (especially about its counter-force capability), Russia has better ABD and EMERCOM, Russia has larger national reserves of foods and goods, better capabilities to prevent chaos and anarchy and so on...

We both have thousands of nuclear warheads,
Doesn't matter how many nukes you have in peace time. What is matter - how many of them will survive Russian first strike.

Both countries would be radioactive wastelands.
Really? Like Nevada and Las Vegas? No. Air-burst don't cause fallouts at all. One thousand of Russian nuclear bursts on US silos will cause deadly levels of radiation in significant parts of Wyoming and Montana, but those levels will fall to normal in few days.

Ukraine is not Russia's sister.
It depends. Some Ukrainians are my cousins.

Ukraine is more like Russia's hateful ex-wife. There is no winning a nuclear war, and you don't want to have a nuclear war to test the outcome.
Of course we don't want to test the outcome of a nuclear war. But much lesser we want to test the outcome of NATO's forces deployment in Ukraine. We do prefer nuclear war.

5. Looks like peace talks are scheduled. I hope a ceasefire soon follows.
We don't need ceasefire. We need reliable and lasting peace. And no, Trump talks a lot, but there are very few things he can actually do.
 
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