Kill the Electoral College?

Lots of Californians moved here to TN but they are mostly conservatives, and the liberals will never outnumber the conservatives already here.
So of course that means every state is exactly like yours?
Look at Texas and say that the amount of incoming Californians are mostly conservative and those that are not are not changing the makeup.
Look at Arizona. Tell me the same.
 
So of course that means every state is exactly like yours?
Look at Texas and say that the amount of incoming Californians are mostly conservative and those that are not are not changing the makeup.
Look at Arizona. Tell me the same.
How do you know what impact they have had? Texas overwhelming reelected red.

Californians in Texas are reported to be moving mostly to already blue Austin.

As for Arizona, you may be right. Anyone moving to Florida cannot overcome the red tidal wave that overtook the state in the last few years. Eternally blue Palm Beach County went red for the first time.
 
This notion that the children of immigrants can be assumed to vote democrat as soon as they turn 18 is mistaken.
I don't think anyone actually thinks that. However, non-Whites are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.
 
This has been tried time and time and time again and it never goes anywhere. There's no reason to think this latest attempt would either.

Yes, we should just keep with the same failed system, the people know who their slave masters are, and the slave masters like the EC.
 
Yes, we should just keep with the same failed system, the people know who their slave masters are, and the slave masters like the EC.
The EC gives some protection to rural dwellers from the tyranny of urban dwellers.
 
The EC gives some protection to rural dwellers from the tyranny of urban dwellers.

No, it doesn't.

You're saying this because you don't understand what the alternative is.

In Germany they have PR and they don't have a "tyranny of the urban dwellers"...

It's just the bullshit that the rich feed people, knowing the people will not do their own research and will wallow in their own ignorance while doing what the rich want.
 
No, it doesn't.

You're saying this because you don't understand what the alternative is.

In Germany they have PR and they don't have a "tyranny of the urban dwellers"...

It's just the bullshit that the rich feed people, knowing the people will not do their own research and will wallow in their own ignorance while doing what the rich want.
From what I've seen of German they absolutely do have a tyranny of urban dwellers. The reality is that cities are liberals and countrysides are conservative. Cities are more populated than countrysides. In a direct democracy the city dwellers always win and thus impose their tyranny upon the minority. PR doesn't change this because the urbanites have a majority.
 
From what I've seen of German they absolutely do have a tyranny of urban dwellers. The reality is that cities are liberals and countrysides are conservative. Cities are more populated than countrysides. In a direct democracy the city dwellers always win and thus impose their tyranny upon the minority. PR doesn't change this because the urbanites have a majority.

Okay, so you see the countryside of conservative and the urban areas as liberal, and the conservatives were in power from 2005 to 2021 and this tells you there's an tyranny of the urban liberals?

Well, you're wrong.


77% of Germany is urban. So, I guess it doesn't really matter what, the urban voters are the majority.



But look at the Laender votes.

North Rhine-Westphalia is the largest state, it has 21% of the population, it also has the largest population density of any Land that isn't a city Land. It's very urban. And yet, 29.1% voted SPD, the liberal party, 26% the CDU, the conservative party, 16% the Greens, 11% the center right party, 7% the AfD, the wacky Tea Party style party.

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern has the lowest population density of all the Laender, 29.1% voted SPD (the same as Nord-Rhine-Westphalia), 17.4% voted CDU, (much lower) 7.8% voted the Greens, *much lower) it was the AfD and die Linke (the left) who did better.

So, 48% voted left parties in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and 48.9% voted left wing parties in Nord Rhine-Westphalia.

The difference between the most urban and the least urban is 0.9% of the vote.

It's not an issue in Germany, because their electoral system doesn't make it an issue.
 

The Founders knew that no significant decisions should be decided by popular vote. They also entered into a compromise between the "big" states and the "little" states, which created the Senate and the Electoral college. Is that compromise now obsolete?

Even though the D's LOST the popular vote this time, they believe that they have imported enough government-dependent third world wretches, and can get them naturalized in due course, so that they would never lose another popular vote in at least two generations.

What do you think?
Stupid Idea. We don't need 5 Big Cities running the country. Who FEEDS these "Big Cities?
 
From what I've seen of German they absolutely do have a tyranny of urban dwellers. The reality is that cities are liberals and countrysides are conservative. Cities are more populated than countrysides. In a direct democracy the city dwellers always win and thus impose their tyranny upon the minority. PR doesn't change this because the urbanites have a majority.
Who cares what the Krauts do? Der Vaterlund vanished years ago.
 
It's important to note how many Democrat politicians and how much of the Democrat party demonizes the EC.

They crave the ability to simply crush their ideological opponents by the force of the angry, manipulated mob..
 
How do you know what impact they have had? Texas overwhelming reelected red.

Californians in Texas are reported to be moving mostly to already blue Austin.

As for Arizona, you may be right. Anyone moving to Florida cannot overcome the red tidal wave that overtook the state in the last few years. Eternally blue Palm Beach County went red for the first time.
I know Texas because I live there. Yes a large number are moving to Austin but we have a number that have moved to Corpus Christi and we have a democrat mayor now because of that.
 
This notion that the children of immigrants can be assumed to vote democrat as soon as they turn 18 is mistaken.
A fair point. I always wonder why people just assume a specific group all acts or votes the same way. This last election should disabuse anyone of that notion.
 
We need to keep the Electoral College. Otherwise a few states, IE California, New York and a few others will decide the president. No need for any people in the other states even bothering to vote

States don’t decide at all under a popular vote system, voters do.
 
Austin was already blue and has been for years. We are talking STATES.
You can talk about states but you wanted to know how many democrats have moved here. I do not keep track of how many. I told you that there were enough to change somethings I this state.
I will ask you again how many have moved into your state. Since you wanted me to answer your question as to how many have moved here I assume you know exactly how many have moved into yours.
 
States don’t decide at all under a popular vote system, voters do.
Ha ha. Funny.
If you were not trying to be funny then you need to ask someone to explain what I wrote
 

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