Keystone takes the next step

[HenryBHough]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

 

[Siete]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

the pipeline is buried, illegals use tunnels too.

 

[Care4all]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

But wouldn't a pipeline take all of those train worker jobs and truck driver jobs and weigh station jobs etc etc etc AWAY, and make those doing the permanent full time job now, virtually UNEMPLOYED, while only creating a few handful of jobs that are permanent full time jobs?

Seems to me, there would be a permanent loss of American jobs as a result.... is that what you truly want? Instead of a jobs bill, a KILL JOBS BILL?

 

[tinydancer]

The refineries are listed as "committed shippers"

Just google "Keystone refinery subsidies"

They must be retooled to handle this particular brand of sludge. Did taxpayers help pay for it?
Do your research - make up your own mind.

Go to your own government website. You do believe your government don't you?

"Refining capacity in the Gulf Coast has large secondary conversion capacity including hydrocrackers, cokers, and desulfurization units.

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount to light, low sulfur (sweet) crudes like Brent and Louisiana Light Sweet.

Many East Coast refineries have less secondary conversion capacity, and in general they process crude oil with lower sulfur content and a lighter density. This lighter, lower sulfur crude oil commands a premium price on world markets."

Attributes of crude oil at U.S. refineries vary by region - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA

 

[Siete]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

But wouldn't a pipeline take all of those train worker jobs and truck driver jobs and weigh station jobs etc etc etc AWAY, and make those doing the permanent full time job now, virtually UNEMPLOYED, while only creating a few handful of jobs that are permanent full time jobs?

Seems to me, there would be a permanent loss of American jobs as a result.... is that what you truly want? Instead of a jobs bill, a KILL JOBS BILL?

shhhhhhhhhh .... Keystone adds 30 permanent jobs to our economy. If we're lucky , they'll hire Americans. Truck drivers and Rail workers don't need jobs.

es

 

[tinydancer]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

But wouldn't a pipeline take all of those train worker jobs and truck driver jobs and weigh station jobs etc etc etc AWAY, and make those doing the permanent full time job now, virtually UNEMPLOYED, while only creating a few handful of jobs that are permanent full time jobs?

Seems to me, there would be a permanent loss of American jobs as a result.... is that what you truly want? Instead of a jobs bill, a KILL JOBS BILL?

No. Even Warren Buffet has come out in favor of the pipeline because there is so much oil being pumped that there is more than enough to go around.

 

[Siete]

The refineries are listed as "committed shippers"

Just google "Keystone refinery subsidies"

They must be retooled to handle this particular brand of sludge. Did taxpayers help pay for it?
Do your research - make up your own mind.

Go to your own government website. You do believe your government don't you?

"Refining capacity in the Gulf Coast has large secondary conversion capacity including hydrocrackers, cokers, and desulfurization units.

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount to light, low sulfur (sweet) crudes like Brent and Louisiana Light Sweet.

Many East Coast refineries have less secondary conversion capacity, and in general they process crude oil with lower sulfur content and a lighter density. This lighter, lower sulfur crude oil commands a premium price on world markets."

Attributes of crude oil at U.S. refineries vary by region - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount

sure they do, that's because we buy more crap oil from Latin America and Mexico than we do Canada.

duuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ..

 

[tinydancer]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

But wouldn't a pipeline take all of those train worker jobs and truck driver jobs and weigh station jobs etc etc etc AWAY, and make those doing the permanent full time job now, virtually UNEMPLOYED, while only creating a few handful of jobs that are permanent full time jobs?

Seems to me, there would be a permanent loss of American jobs as a result.... is that what you truly want? Instead of a jobs bill, a KILL JOBS BILL?

shhhhhhhhhh .... Keystone adds 30 permanent jobs to our economy. If we're lucky , they'll hire Americans. Truck drivers and Rail workers don't need jobs.

es

You still on about that "construction jobs are only temporary"?

That's the most lamo that you left wing loons have come up with.

By that logic don't ever build a McDonalds because in the end there will be only 20 permanent jobs.

Oh and never build a highway or a bridge. Geeze louise because those "construction jobs are only temporary".

 

[Redfish]

The Canadian oil will be coming to America to be refined.

The choice is between it arriving via pipeline or by rail tanker car.

Unless, of course, it's made "illegal" - in which case it can just walk in like any other alien.

But wouldn't a pipeline take all of those train worker jobs and truck driver jobs and weigh station jobs etc etc etc AWAY, and make those doing the permanent full time job now, virtually UNEMPLOYED, while only creating a few handful of jobs that are permanent full time jobs?

Seems to me, there would be a permanent loss of American jobs as a result.... is that what you truly want? Instead of a jobs bill, a KILL JOBS BILL?

shhhhhhhhhh .... Keystone adds 30 permanent jobs to our economy. If we're lucky , they'll hire Americans. Truck drivers and Rail workers don't need jobs.

es

 

[tinydancer]

Argue with Warren Buffet who by the way is making a killing with his railroads shipping crude.

"The Keystone oil pipeline is good idea for the United States, Warren Buffett said Monday, even though it would take away some business from his Berkshire Hathaway rail subsidiary BNSF.

The long-delayed leg from Alberta, Canada, to Nebraska should be approved, the billionaire investor told CNBC.

"I would vote 'yes,'" Buffett said in a "Squawk Box" interview, but added he has "no idea" if President Barack Obama will approve it.

"I don't believe in the Keystone pipeline because of the jobs you'd make building it. You can build anything and create jobs," he said. "I just believe it's a useful pipeline."

I d vote yes on Keystone pipeline Warren Buffett

 

[Siete]

looks like more than one RW idiot needs to do their homework on Keystone jobs .


after the pipeline is built less jobs are NOT an issue .


10,0000 people needed to WATCH Pipeline SIT THERE ... Apply Within.

 

[tinydancer]

The refineries are listed as "committed shippers"

Just google "Keystone refinery subsidies"

They must be retooled to handle this particular brand of sludge. Did taxpayers help pay for it?
Do your research - make up your own mind.

Go to your own government website. You do believe your government don't you?

"Refining capacity in the Gulf Coast has large secondary conversion capacity including hydrocrackers, cokers, and desulfurization units.

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount to light, low sulfur (sweet) crudes like Brent and Louisiana Light Sweet.

Many East Coast refineries have less secondary conversion capacity, and in general they process crude oil with lower sulfur content and a lighter density. This lighter, lower sulfur crude oil commands a premium price on world markets."

Attributes of crude oil at U.S. refineries vary by region - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount

sure they do, that's because we buy more crap oil from Latin America and Mexico than we do Canada.

duuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ..

The refineries are listed as "committed shippers"

Just google "Keystone refinery subsidies"

They must be retooled to handle this particular brand of sludge. Did taxpayers help pay for it?
Do your research - make up your own mind.

Go to your own government website. You do believe your government don't you?

"Refining capacity in the Gulf Coast has large secondary conversion capacity including hydrocrackers, cokers, and desulfurization units.

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount to light, low sulfur (sweet) crudes like Brent and Louisiana Light Sweet.

Many East Coast refineries have less secondary conversion capacity, and in general they process crude oil with lower sulfur content and a lighter density. This lighter, lower sulfur crude oil commands a premium price on world markets."

Attributes of crude oil at U.S. refineries vary by region - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA

These units enable the processing of heavy, high sulfur (sour) crude oils like Mexican Maya that typically sell at a discount

sure they do, that's because we buy more crap oil from Latin America and Mexico than we do Canada.

duuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ..

I've been waiting to see if you had truly researched suppliers from Latin America and Mexico.

It appears you are unaware of the dwindling supplies.

On the other hand your government knows the situation.

"Refineries across the country are developing strategies to acquire the new domestic crude streams to replace more expensive imports of high-quality crude oil. Gulf Coast refiners are also seeking more access to Canadian crudes to replace declining supplies of heavy, sour crudes from Mexico and Venezuela (Venezuelan crudes, while heavy, tend to have lower sulfur content than Maya)."

Attributes of crude oil at U.S. refineries vary by region - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA

 

[Paperman299]

"Canadian companies backing the Keystone XL – touted as enhancing US energy security with a big new surge of imported Canadian oil – actually expect it to supply more lucrative Gulf Coast export markets as well as raise Midwest oil prices by reducing “oversupply” in that region.

These little-publicized findings are contained in the studies and testimony of experts working for TransCanada, the company that wants to build the pipeline from Alberta’s tar sands across America’s heartland to Gulf Coast refineries."

Inside the Keystone pipeline How much would it really help US consumers - CSMonitor.com

This is a ways removed, however, from the original claim that TransCanada themselves flatly stated that "all" the oil would be sold to overseas markets. I posted that the best information suggests about half the product will be sold overseas, and I'm not seeing anything yet that contradicts that.

Anyway, I agree most with this statement:

IMHO: this is just a pretty mundane topic that the hyper-partisans and the self-interest promoters have turned into a hyper-partisan issue with their lies and rhetoric.

 

[jc456]

The Senate has passed the House's Pipeline bill with 10 Democrats voting in favor.
Yet Obama still threatens Veto

Why do we need a pipeline through our country to help Canada sell to the rest of the world?

Why do we need rail and highway to benefit Mexico and Canada commerce?

holy crap right? Wow. literacy on the left is just lost.

 

[jc456]

The will of the American people was acted upon by their duly elected congress critters. Obama plans to stand in defiance of the American people with his veto pen

Do you oppose all Presidential vetos?

ones that don' match what the people want. Even those on the left. So he is voting against the needs and wants. Yeah I oppose them then.

 

[Siete]

if you believe Keystone, they claim 42,000 jobs will be created, start to finish, food, lodging, transportation, etc. That has been proven wrong.

Keystone also said 90% of the oil stays here.

people will believe what they want based on what they're told. Truth is we'll never know. Like I said, I could care less about the oil, its the principle of all the underlying issues that rub me wrong.

 

[Dante]

The Senate has passed the House's Pipeline bill with 10 Democrats voting in favor.
Yet Obama still threatens Veto

Wasting everyone's time and money

GOP Congress

 

[jc456]

The Senate has passed the House's Pipeline bill with 10 Democrats voting in favor.
Yet Obama still threatens Veto

As he should. They need 67 votes dummy, and they know Obama will veto it so they can be for it before they were against it.

It'll only take a few more dollars to convince 5 more

The congress is only doing what the people who voted for them wanted them to do. POTUS vetoes it, well we'll see what happens in the next election. The GOP must do what the people voted them into power to do. They get the votes great, they don't, that's on the dems only. Next election, that will be the discussion topic. And there will be no way away from it for the Dems. Just saying.

 

[jc456]

The Senate has passed the House's Pipeline bill with 10 Democrats voting in favor.
Yet Obama still threatens Veto

Wasting everyone's time and money

GOP Comgress

doing what they were voted into office to do . too bad for dems.

 

[jc456]

The Senate has passed the House's Pipeline bill with 10 Democrats voting in favor.
Yet Obama still threatens Veto

the 2.00 gas is not the issue on whether we build it(that will be the liberal excuse). we just need to to build it!!!!

Yeah, China wants their oil and Canada wants their profit. That oil is for export only. We get nothing but the damage to the environment and the pissed off property owners who were force to sell their land.

Are you ******* nuts? We have this big blue thing on our west coast called the freaking Pacific Ocean. A direct route to China.

And this is Keystone freaking three. And the northern leg will carry crude from the Bakkens to the Gulf. To your US refineries. And stop with the bullshit that all this oil is going to be exported. It's a lie.

Keystone is not an oil producer or a refinery. All TransCanada's Keystone is is a bloody pipeline.

And that crude is coming to your Gulf coast no matter what that idiot in the White House does.

It's nothing like a lie. That oil has always been only for export, only. Look it up.

exactly, and profit for the refineries. no matter. oh, and no more OPEC